On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:35:29 -0500, RD Sandman
wrote:

Deep Dudu wrote in :

On Sat, 28 May 2011 12:19:55 -0500, RD Sandman
wrote:

Deep Dudu wrote in :

On Sat, 28 May 2011 08:31:16 -0700, Peter Franks
wrote:

Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?

They aren't. Notice what it was for years after WWII when our
economy
was booming.

Do you think that was all due to taxes on the wealthy?

Yes. Tax the hell out of the wealthy an invest directly in the
infrastructure then you stimulate the economy.


IOw, you feel that if the wealthy had not been taxed at such a high rate,
the post war boom would have never happened? It is all due to that high
tax rate and no euphoria from winning a war, not any plants already built
and ramped up and ready to go, nor a public looking for new cars, for
example, since it hadn't had any since 1942, no more need for victory
gardens, no rationing of nylons?

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/...ernment_d.html


Cutting taxes on the
wealth to the ridiculously low rate it is now NEVER results in
stimulating the economy.

I am not one claiming that it has.

Deep Dudu wrote in :

On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:35:29 -0500, RD Sandman
wrote:

Deep Dudu wrote in :

On Sat, 28 May 2011 12:19:55 -0500, RD Sandman
wrote:

Deep Dudu wrote in :

On Sat, 28 May 2011 08:31:16 -0700, Peter Franks
wrote:

Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?

They aren't. Notice what it was for years after WWII when our
economy
was booming.

Do you think that was all due to taxes on the wealthy?

Yes. Tax the hell out of the wealthy an invest directly in the
infrastructure then you stimulate the economy.


IOw, you feel that if the wealthy had not been taxed at such a high
rate, the post war boom would have never happened? It is all due to
that high tax rate and no euphoria from winning a war, not any plants
already built and ramped up and ready to go, nor a public looking for
new cars, for example, since it hadn't had any since 1942, no more
need for victory gardens, no rationing of nylons?

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/...ernment_d.html

Which has little to do with what I asked you.


--
Sleep well tonight....RD (The Sandman)

If you woke up this morning....
Don't complain.

"Sid9" sid9@ bellsouth.net wrote in message
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"RHF" wrote in message
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On May 28, 8:31 am, Peter Franks wrote:
On 5/28/2011 7:54 AM, Deep Dudu wrote:









On Sat, 28 May 2011 10:13:56 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

"Sid9"sid9@ bellsouth.net wrote in message
...

wrote in message
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On May 27, 3:01 pm, John wrote:
On 5/27/2011 2:53 PM, Peter Franks wrote:

...
What is wrong with this country?

There are only two possible answers I can think of:

1) The worst imbecilic-idiot-morons in government are honestly
attempting correct fixes and a return to a decent America.

-- or --

2) The government is tightly controlled by a shadow government
criminal
element and this is exactly their plan, to weaken and gain
absolute
police state control over all American citizens.

But then, the solution to both is the same, imprison or hang
either the
imbecilic-idiot-morons or imprison the crooks!

Regards,
JS

JS -please- This is not simply the
"Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"

-it's- Democrats Reveal New& Improved Plan :
More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
-the-'more'-'more'-plan-
* Democrats Promise You More New& Improved
Taxes {We Are The Wiser Taxers}
* Democrats Promise You More New& Improved
Spending {We Are The Wiser Spenders}

-remember- You Can Trust Us 'Democrats' To
Tax You More& Spend More of Your Tax Money
-we-have-a-proven-history-of-doing-just-that-

and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
-vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
.
.

Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation

What a great idea, then we could be more like Italy and Turkey.

Cutting taxes on the wealthy has NEVER stimulated the economy. Taxing
the hell out of them and putting the money directly into the economy
will. We should go to a top rate of 98% and cut all tax loopholes
and tax interest, dividend, and capital gains exactlyt he same as
wages.

- Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?

We Are From The Government {We Are Backed
by Arms} and We Are Here To Help ) ~ RHF
-for-every-irs-agent-there-are-10-soldiers-
.

The wealthy don't pay their fair share.

Ok, let's see your proof.

---- Insert proof here

On May 28, 7:02*am, "Sid9" sid9@ bellsouth.net wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

...









On May 27, 3:01 pm, John Smith wrote:
On 5/27/2011 2:53 PM, Peter Franks wrote:

...
What is wrong with this country?

There are only two possible answers I can think of:

1) The worst imbecilic-idiot-morons in government are honestly
attempting correct fixes and a return to a decent America.

-- or --

2) The government is tightly controlled by a shadow government criminal
element and this is exactly their plan, to weaken and gain absolute
police state control over all American citizens.

But then, the solution to both is the same, imprison or hang either the
imbecilic-idiot-morons or imprison the crooks!

Regards,
JS

JS -please- This is not simply the
"Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"

-it's- Democrats Reveal New & Improved Plan :
More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
-the-'more'-'more'-plan-
* Democrats Promise You More New & Improved
Taxes {We Are The Wiser Taxers}
* Democrats Promise You More New & Improved
Spending {We Are The Wiser Spenders}

-remember- You Can Trust Us 'Democrats' To
Tax You More & Spend More of Your Tax Money
-we-have-a-proven-history-of-doing-just-that-

and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
-vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
.
.

Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation

1. We need the bush,jr tax. This tax remains in force until bush,jr's
unfunded wars are paid for.
2. We need to rescind the bush, jr tax cuts that have crippled our
government.
- 3. We need to tax dividends, interest, and
- capital gains at the same rate as money
- earned by working.

Yes-&-No -or- Maybe So...

The Idea to give Favorable Tax Treatment
to Dividends Interest and Capital Gains :
Is To Encourage Investment and Economic
{Business} Development and Job Creation :
THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE INVESTOR; THE
BUSINESS; THE EMPLOYED; AND THE GOVERNMENT
-aka- SOCIETY AS A WHOLE )

*BUT* For Society As A Whole {Everyone Equally}
How Do We As A Society Ensure Diverse Wealth
Creation For All Citizens {Members-of-Society}

Leveling The Wealth Creation Field : Take The
Average Annual Salary of a Working Man/Women
-example- $50K

Now Give 'Favorable' Tax Treatment to the First
$50K of Dividends, Interest and Capital Gains,
Corporate {Partnership} Income Earned by
Individuals Yearly -and- Tax the Rest as Ordinary
Income Just Like The Working Man/Woman Pays
-that's-tax-equity-that's-fair-that's-just-
Encourage Savings By All
Encourage Thrift By All
Encourage Investment By All
Encourage Wealth Creation By All
Ensure Wealth Creation For All : Enrich All

Deep Dudu wrote in :

Cutting taxes on the
wealth to the ridiculously low rate it is now NEVER results in
stimulating the economy.


Yeah, but killing off progressives and socialists is bound to be a boom.

--
Herman Cain for President! http://hermancain.com/
If you don't support him you are a Racist!!
He beat Cancer. He'll beat Obama (who is just like cancer)

Remember Desert One, Carter 0? Ain't it sad to wish that Obama had as much
ambition but being glad he doesn't knowing he doesn't have THAT much
competence?

On May 28, 8:31*am, Peter Franks wrote:
On 5/28/2011 7:54 AM, Deep Dudu wrote:









On Sat, 28 May 2011 10:13:56 -0400, "Scout"
*wrote:

"Sid9"sid9@ bellsouth.net *wrote in message
...

*wrote in message
....
On May 27, 3:01 pm, John *wrote:
On 5/27/2011 2:53 PM, Peter Franks wrote:

...
What is wrong with this country?

There are only two possible answers I can think of:

1) The worst imbecilic-idiot-morons in government are honestly
attempting correct fixes and a return to a decent America.

-- or --

2) The government is tightly controlled by a shadow government criminal
element and this is exactly their plan, to weaken and gain absolute
police state control over all American citizens.

But then, the solution to both is the same, imprison or hang either the
imbecilic-idiot-morons or imprison the crooks!

Regards,
JS

JS -please- This is not simply the
"Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"

-it's- Democrats Reveal New& *Improved Plan :
More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
-the-'more'-'more'-plan-
* Democrats Promise You More New& *Improved
Taxes {We Are The Wiser Taxers}
* Democrats Promise You More New& *Improved
Spending {We Are The Wiser Spenders}

-remember- You Can Trust Us 'Democrats' To
Tax You More& *Spend More of Your Tax Money
-we-have-a-proven-history-of-doing-just-that-

and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
-vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
.
.

Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation

What a great idea, then we could be more like Italy and Turkey.

Cutting taxes on the wealthy has NEVER stimulated the economy. *Taxing
the hell out of them and putting the money directly into the economy
will. * We should go to a top rate of 98% and cut all tax loopholes
and tax interest, dividend, and capital gains exactlyt he same as
wages.

- Why should the wealthy pay more than
- their fair share?

? Define "Their Fair Share" !

On May 29, 10:37*am, Peter Franks wrote:
- That doesn't explain anything.
-*How about addressing the question:
-
- Why should the wealthy pay more than
- their fair share?

? Define "Their Fair Share" !

"RHF" wrote in message
...
On May 28, 8:31 am, Peter Franks wrote:
On 5/28/2011 7:54 AM, Deep Dudu wrote:









On Sat, 28 May 2011 10:13:56 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

"Sid9"sid9@ bellsouth.net wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On May 27, 3:01 pm, John wrote:
On 5/27/2011 2:53 PM, Peter Franks wrote:

...
What is wrong with this country?

There are only two possible answers I can think of:

1) The worst imbecilic-idiot-morons in government are honestly
attempting correct fixes and a return to a decent America.

-- or --

2) The government is tightly controlled by a shadow government
criminal
element and this is exactly their plan, to weaken and gain absolute
police state control over all American citizens.

But then, the solution to both is the same, imprison or hang either
the
imbecilic-idiot-morons or imprison the crooks!

Regards,
JS

JS -please- This is not simply the
"Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"

-it's- Democrats Reveal New& Improved Plan :
More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
-the-'more'-'more'-plan-
* Democrats Promise You More New& Improved
Taxes {We Are The Wiser Taxers}
* Democrats Promise You More New& Improved
Spending {We Are The Wiser Spenders}

-remember- You Can Trust Us 'Democrats' To
Tax You More& Spend More of Your Tax Money
-we-have-a-proven-history-of-doing-just-that-

and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
-vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
.
.

Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation

What a great idea, then we could be more like Italy and Turkey.

Cutting taxes on the wealthy has NEVER stimulated the economy. Taxing
the hell out of them and putting the money directly into the economy
will. We should go to a top rate of 98% and cut all tax loopholes
and tax interest, dividend, and capital gains exactlyt he same as
wages.

- Why should the wealthy pay more than
- their fair share?

? Define "Their Fair Share" !
.
Who Benefits By Our Society ?
-and- What Is Their Reward ?
Beyond The Ability to Live a Reasonable
Life Food, Cloth and House Their Family.
-four-examples-
.
1st -Taxing the $5K 'Disposable Income' @ 20%
of the average Working Man {Family} :
Leaves them with just $4K.
.
2nd - Taxing the $25K 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the High Income Earner {Family} :
Leaves them with just $20K.
.
3rd -Taxing the $250K 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the Very High Income Earner {Family} :
Leaves them with just $200K; and that is
Four-Times [4X] the Gross Income of the
average Working Man {Family}.
.
4rd - Taxing the $2.5M 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the Rich and Wealth {Family} :
Leaves them with just $2.0M; and that is
Forty-Times [40X] the Gross Income of the
average Working Man {Family}; and this
Ensures High Income Earners Pay* Their Fair
{Equal} Share of the Cost of American Society.
* Simply Paying Back To {Into} The Society :
That Which You Have Received Greatly From It
-paying-back-social-responsibility-reciprocity-

snip

Seems to me you're simply bitching because there is an advantage to busting
ass and getting ahead. Because while they end up with X times more than case
number one, they also paid X times more. Seems your gripe is that they still
have more disposable income left over and somehow you don't see that as
fair.

So tell us, why should they be forced to pay more? Because you think it's
fair that we sock it to the rich?

On May 30, 9:16*am, "Scout"
wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

...









On May 28, 8:31 am, Peter Franks wrote:
On 5/28/2011 7:54 AM, Deep Dudu wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2011 10:13:56 -0400, "Scout"
*wrote:

"Sid9"sid9@ bellsouth.net *wrote in message
...

*wrote in message
...
On May 27, 3:01 pm, John *wrote:
On 5/27/2011 2:53 PM, Peter Franks wrote:

...
What is wrong with this country?

There are only two possible answers I can think of:

1) The worst imbecilic-idiot-morons in government are honestly
attempting correct fixes and a return to a decent America.

-- or --

2) The government is tightly controlled by a shadow government
criminal
element and this is exactly their plan, to weaken and gain absolute
police state control over all American citizens.

But then, the solution to both is the same, imprison or hang either
the
imbecilic-idiot-morons or imprison the crooks!

Regards,
JS

JS -please- This is not simply the
"Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"

-it's- Democrats Reveal New& *Improved Plan :
More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
-the-'more'-'more'-plan-
* Democrats Promise You More New& *Improved
Taxes {We Are The Wiser Taxers}
* Democrats Promise You More New& *Improved
Spending {We Are The Wiser Spenders}

-remember- You Can Trust Us 'Democrats' To
Tax You More& *Spend More of Your Tax Money
-we-have-a-proven-history-of-doing-just-that-

and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
-vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
.
.

Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation

What a great idea, then we could be more like Italy and Turkey.

Cutting taxes on the wealthy has NEVER stimulated the economy. *Taxing
the hell out of them and putting the money directly into the economy
will. * We should go to a top rate of 98% and cut all tax loopholes
and tax interest, dividend, and capital gains exactlyt he same as
wages.

- Why should the wealthy pay more than
- their fair share?

? Define "Their Fair Share" !
.
Who Benefits By Our Society ?
-and- What Is Their Reward ?
Beyond The Ability to Live a Reasonable
Life Food, Cloth and House Their Family.
-four-examples-
.
1st -Taxing the $5K 'Disposable Income' @ 20%
of the average Working Man {Family} :
Leaves them with just $4K.
.
2nd - Taxing the $25K 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the High Income Earner {Family} :
Leaves them with just $20K.
.
3rd -Taxing the $250K 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the Very High Income Earner {Family} :
Leaves them with just $200K; and that is
Four-Times [4X] the Gross Income of the
average Working Man {Family}.
.
4rd - Taxing the $2.5M 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the Rich and Wealth {Family} :
Leaves them with just $2.0M; and that is
Forty-Times [40X] the Gross Income of the
average Working Man {Family}; and this
Ensures High Income Earners Pay* Their Fair
{Equal} Share of the Cost of American Society.
* Simply Paying Back To {Into} The Society :
That Which You Have Received Greatly From It
-paying-back-social-responsibility-reciprocity-

snip

- Seems to me you're simply bitching because
- there is an advantage to busting ass and
- getting ahead. Because while they end up
- with X times more than case number one,
- they also paid X times more.

No #1's Sale Tax is XX% and #3's Income Tax is XX%
XX% = XX% They just Continue to Pay Their Fair Share
Beyond the Cost of Buying a Basic Living Through
Daily Consumption.

"RHF" wrote in message
...
On May 30, 9:16 am, "Scout"
wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

...









On May 28, 8:31 am, Peter Franks wrote:
On 5/28/2011 7:54 AM, Deep Dudu wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2011 10:13:56 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

"Sid9"sid9@ bellsouth.net wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On May 27, 3:01 pm, John wrote:
On 5/27/2011 2:53 PM, Peter Franks wrote:

...
What is wrong with this country?

There are only two possible answers I can think of:

1) The worst imbecilic-idiot-morons in government are honestly
attempting correct fixes and a return to a decent America.

-- or --

2) The government is tightly controlled by a shadow government
criminal
element and this is exactly their plan, to weaken and gain
absolute
police state control over all American citizens.

But then, the solution to both is the same, imprison or hang
either
the
imbecilic-idiot-morons or imprison the crooks!

Regards,
JS

JS -please- This is not simply the
"Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"

-it's- Democrats Reveal New& Improved Plan :
More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
-the-'more'-'more'-plan-
* Democrats Promise You More New& Improved
Taxes {We Are The Wiser Taxers}
* Democrats Promise You More New& Improved
Spending {We Are The Wiser Spenders}

-remember- You Can Trust Us 'Democrats' To
Tax You More& Spend More of Your Tax Money
-we-have-a-proven-history-of-doing-just-that-

and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
-vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
.
.

Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation

What a great idea, then we could be more like Italy and Turkey.

Cutting taxes on the wealthy has NEVER stimulated the economy.
Taxing
the hell out of them and putting the money directly into the economy
will. We should go to a top rate of 98% and cut all tax loopholes
and tax interest, dividend, and capital gains exactlyt he same as
wages.

- Why should the wealthy pay more than
- their fair share?

? Define "Their Fair Share" !
.
Who Benefits By Our Society ?
-and- What Is Their Reward ?
Beyond The Ability to Live a Reasonable
Life Food, Cloth and House Their Family.
-four-examples-
.
1st -Taxing the $5K 'Disposable Income' @ 20%
of the average Working Man {Family} :
Leaves them with just $4K.
.
2nd - Taxing the $25K 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the High Income Earner {Family} :
Leaves them with just $20K.
.
3rd -Taxing the $250K 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the Very High Income Earner {Family} :
Leaves them with just $200K; and that is
Four-Times [4X] the Gross Income of the
average Working Man {Family}.
.
4rd - Taxing the $2.5M 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the Rich and Wealth {Family} :
Leaves them with just $2.0M; and that is
Forty-Times [40X] the Gross Income of the
average Working Man {Family}; and this
Ensures High Income Earners Pay* Their Fair
{Equal} Share of the Cost of American Society.
* Simply Paying Back To {Into} The Society :
That Which You Have Received Greatly From It
-paying-back-social-responsibility-reciprocity-

snip

- Seems to me you're simply bitching because
- there is an advantage to busting ass and
- getting ahead. Because while they end up
- with X times more than case number one,
- they also paid X times more.

No #1's Sale Tax is XX% and #3's Income Tax is XX%
XX% = XX% They just Continue to Pay Their Fair Share
Beyond the Cost of Buying a Basic Living Through
Daily Consumption.

We're discussion the income tax proposal right now, do try to keep up.


- Seems your gripe is that they still have
- more disposable income left over and somehow
- you don't see that as fair.

? What More Fair ?
Taking $5K from the Disposable Income
of the average Working Man {Family}
and Leaving Them With NOTHING !

Your own numbers above indicate they still have $4k in disposable income.

Are you now revising your numbers without telling people?

Tell me you aren't this dishonest?