On Jul 25, 10:27*am, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:25:31 -0500, RD Sandman

wrote:
That's an interesting observation since the wars in both Iraq and
Afghanistan were under a trillion. *Obamacare is almost that by itself..

- Everybody has a different figure for this,
- depending on their political position.
- It did nothing to lower medical costs,
- but really didn't do much to raise medical
- costs either
- only changing how we buy insurance.


Actually for the ~80% who where 'Insured'
before Obama-Care : In general it does not
change the way they buy their 'insurance'.

However, for the ~20% who where NOT 'Insured'
before Obama-Care : In general it does Force
them to Buy 'Insurance' or be Taxed -aka- the
Coercion {Force} of Taxes.

The Obama-Regime has given so many so many
Obama-Care 'exemptions' to Big Businesses
{Mega-Employers like Wal*Mart and McDonald's}
with tens and hundreds of thousands of
employees; that the Employers Mandates do not
exist for many/most.

So Obama-Care 'Targets' the Individual Un-Insured
Employee with a Mandate to be 'Insured' or Taxed.

~ RHF

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RD Sandman wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in news:alangbaker-
:

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Alan Baker wrote in
:

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"Oglethorpe" wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
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On 7/24/2011 7:34 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
On Jul 23, 8:48 am, wrote:

ISN'T IT OBVIOUS to all but you brainless racists among us
that the "Boehner Plan" is aimed squarely at making Obama
the first president to preside over a U.S. DEFAULT?


The Obama administration spent more in less than 3 years than
the Bush administration did in eight years. There would be no
need to raise the debt ceiling were it not for that.

Yeah.

If you take over the controls of an aircraft that someone has
put
into
a steep dive, you can't just yank the controls back to level it
off, either.


How many more years do you think that excuse will fly?

Before I answer: do you really think that is is just an excuse that
has no validity?


Do you mean the aircraft metaphor or the comment about Obama and your
implication?

I mean do you really think that the fact that the U.S. economy was in
a steep decline when Obama took office and it cannot be reversed just
by flicking a switch: do you think that that is valid or not?


Yes, I believe that the decline actually started at the end of the
Clinton administration with the dot.com industry going bust and the
regulations being eased on the housing and financial markets and the
Democrats' dream of new home ownership. Clinton wanted 8 million new
home owners. Bush continued that dream with a desire for 5.5 million on
his watch. Oversight went in the toilet, we had 9/11, two wars, an
unfunded mandate on Medicare Part D, etc.

We also had a Democratically controlled House and Senate since the 2006
elections and lack of oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Obama
campaigning that Afghanistan was the "right" war and a continuation of
the many of the same policies that existed under Bush. The economy was
in the toilet, jobs were going away and Obama was concentrating on
passing his historic healthcare bill (insurance reform) rather than to
focus on the other two problems.

Yes, I believe those things. I also believe that, sometime, Obama needs
to stand up and be counted rather than to continue to blame things on
Bush.

--
RD (The Sandman)

Thought for the day.......

Handle every stressful situation like a dog would.
If you can't eat it or hump it....**** on it and walk away.

On Jul 25, 2:44*pm, RD Sandman wrote:
Alan Baker wrote :









In article ,
*RD Sandman wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in news:alangbaker-
:

In article ,
*RD Sandman wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in
:

In article ,
*"Oglethorpe" wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
om...
On 7/24/2011 7:34 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
On Jul 23, 8:48 am, *wrote:

ISN'T IT OBVIOUS to all but you brainless racists among us
that the "Boehner Plan" is aimed squarely at making Obama
the first president to preside over a U.S. DEFAULT?

The Obama administration spent more in less than 3 years than
the Bush administration did in eight years. There would be no
need to raise the debt ceiling were it not for that.

Yeah.

If you take over the controls of an aircraft that someone has
put
into
a steep dive, you can't just yank the controls back to level it
off, either.

How many more years do you think that excuse will fly?

Before I answer: do you really think that is is just an excuse that
has no validity?

Do you mean the aircraft metaphor or the comment about Obama and your
implication?

I mean do you really think that the fact that the U.S. economy was in
a steep decline when Obama took office and it cannot be reversed just
by flicking a switch: do you think that that is valid or not?

Yes, I believe that the decline actually started at the end of the
Clinton administration with the dot.com industry going bust and the
regulations being eased on the housing and financial markets and the
Democrats' dream of new home ownership. *Clinton wanted 8 million new
home owners. *Bush continued that dream with a desire for 5.5 million on
his watch. *Oversight went in the toilet, we had 9/11, two wars, an
unfunded mandate on Medicare Part D, etc. *

- We also had a Democratically controlled House
- and Senate since the 2006 elections and lack
- of oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,

The Point Being here is that if you want
to Blame Bush for Everything Pre-Obama:
Then Honesty Requires you to include both
Pelosi and Reid in the Blame Game Too !

Prez-A-Duntz can not Sign Laws that Both
Houses of the US Congress Do Not Pass as Bills
===== Bush & Pelosi & Reid =====

On Jul 25, 4:42*pm, RHF wrote:

On Jul 25, 10:27*am, Howard Brazee wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:25:31 -0500, RD Sandman
rdsandman@comcast,net wrote:

That's an interesting observation since the wars in both Iraq and
Afghanistan were under a trillion. *Obamacare is almost that by itself..

- Everybody has a different figure for this,
- depending on their political position.
- It did nothing to lower medical costs,
- but really didn't do much to raise medical
- costs either
- only changing how we buy insurance.

Actually for the ~80% who where 'Insured'
before Obama-Care : In general it does not
change the way they buy their 'insurance'.

However, for the ~20% who where NOT 'Insured'
before Obama-Care : In general it does Force
them to Buy 'Insurance' or be Taxed -aka- the
Coercion {Force} of Taxes.

The Obama-Regime has given so many so many
Obama-Care 'exemptions' to Big Businesses
{Mega-Employers like Wal*Mart and McDonald's}
with tens and hundreds of thousands of
employees; that the Employers Mandates do not
exist for many/most.

Ergo, it is unconstitutional under the "Equal Protection" clause of
the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

So Obama-Care 'Targets' the Individual Un-Insured
Employee with a Mandate to be 'Insured' or Taxed.

~ RHF
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison

"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size.
Government programs, once launched, never disappear.
Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal
life we'll ever see on this earth! "
-- Ronald Reagan

On Jul 25, 1:22*pm, bpnjensen wrote:

On Jul 25, 5:47*am, JohnJohnsn wrote:

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..."
-- Sir Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill was a major advocate of the socialized medicine
the UK has today - which, BTW, the rank and file Brits generally love,
according to the ones I know, which are quite a few.

Bruce Jensen

Guess you never watched "Benny Hill." snicker

In article ,
RD Sandman wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in
:

In article ,
RD Sandman wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in news:alangbaker-
:

In article ,
RD Sandman wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in
:

In article ,
"Oglethorpe" wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
...
On 7/24/2011 7:34 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
On Jul 23, 8:48 am, wrote:

ISN'T IT OBVIOUS to all but you brainless racists among us
that the "Boehner Plan" is aimed squarely at making Obama
the first president to preside over a U.S. DEFAULT?


The Obama administration spent more in less than 3 years than
the Bush administration did in eight years. There would be no
need to raise the debt ceiling were it not for that.

Yeah.

If you take over the controls of an aircraft that someone has
put
into
a steep dive, you can't just yank the controls back to level it
off, either.


How many more years do you think that excuse will fly?

Before I answer: do you really think that is is just an excuse that
has no validity?


Do you mean the aircraft metaphor or the comment about Obama and your
implication?

I mean do you really think that the fact that the U.S. economy was in
a steep decline when Obama took office and it cannot be reversed just
by flicking a switch: do you think that that is valid or not?


Yes, I believe that the decline actually started at the end of the
Clinton administration with the dot.com industry going bust and the
regulations being eased on the housing and financial markets and the
Democrats' dream of new home ownership. Clinton wanted 8 million new
home owners. Bush continued that dream with a desire for 5.5 million on
his watch. Oversight went in the toilet, we had 9/11, two wars, an
unfunded mandate on Medicare Part D, etc.

We also had a Democratically controlled House and Senate since the 2006
elections and lack of oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Obama
campaigning that Afghanistan was the "right" war and a continuation of
the many of the same policies that existed under Bush. The economy was
in the toilet, jobs were going away and Obama was concentrating on
passing his historic healthcare bill (insurance reform) rather than to
focus on the other two problems.

Yes, I believe those things. I also believe that, sometime, Obama needs
to stand up and be counted rather than to continue to blame things on
Bush.

Wow. Talk about reality distortion fields....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_cr...idential_terms


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

On Jul 25, 4:35*pm, Alan Baker wrote:

In article ,
*RD Sandman rdsandman@comcast,net wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in news:alangbaker-
:

In article ,
*RD Sandman rdsandman@comcast,net wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in
:

In article ,
*"Oglethorpe" wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
...

On 7/24/2011 7:34 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:

On Jul 23, 8:48 am, *wrote:

ISN'T IT OBVIOUS to all but you brainless racists among us that
the "Boehner Plan" is aimed squarely at making Obama the first
president to preside over a U.S. DEFAULT?

The Obama administration spent more in less than 3 years than the
Bush administration did in eight years. There would be no need to
raise the debt ceiling were it not for that.

Yeah.

If you take over the controls of an aircraft that someone has put into
a steep dive, you can't just yank the controls back to level it off, either.

How many more years do you think that excuse will fly?

Before I answer: do you really think that is is just an excuse that has
no validity?

Do you mean the aircraft metaphor or the comment about Obama and your
implication?

I mean do you really think that the fact that the U.S. economy was in a
steep decline when Obama took office and it cannot be reversed just by
flicking a switch: do you think that that is valid or not?

Following the analogy, it doesn't help that Obama has "pushed the
stick" _down_ instead of pulling _back_!

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size.
Government programs, once launched, never disappear.
Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal
life we'll ever see on this earth! "
-- Ronald Reagan

"Barack Obama put the Democrats in the position of forever
redeeming a fallen nation, rather than leading a great one."
— Shelby Steele, Wall Street Journal, 10/28/2010

"There are three branches of government: House, Senate, and the
President"
— Charles "Chuckie, the Cereal Killer" Schumer, 30 Jan 2011

"The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and
assistance to foreign hands should be curtailed, lest Rome fall."
--Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.

On Jul 25, 5:09*pm, Alan Baker wrote:

In article ,
*RD Sandman rdsandman@comcast,net wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in
:

In article ,
*RD Sandman rdsandman@comcast,net wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in news:alangbaker-
:

In article ,
*RD Sandman rdsandman@comcast,net wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in
:

In article ,
*"Oglethorpe" wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
om...

On 7/24/2011 7:34 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
On Jul 23, 8:48 am, *wrote:

ISN'T IT OBVIOUS to all but you brainless racists among us
that the "Boehner Plan" is aimed squarely at making Obama
the first president to preside over a U.S. DEFAULT?

The Obama administration spent more in less than 3 years than
the Bush administration did in eight years. There would be no
need to raise the debt ceiling were it not for that.

Yeah.

If you take over the controls of an aircraft that someone has put
into a steep dive, you can't just yank the controls back to level it
off, either.

How many more years do you think that excuse will fly?

Before I answer: do you really think that is is just an excuse that
has no validity?

Do you mean the aircraft metaphor or the comment about Obama and your
implication?

I mean do you really think that the fact that the U.S. economy was in
a steep decline when Obama took office and it cannot be reversed just
by flicking a switch: do you think that that is valid or not?

Yes, I believe that the decline actually started at the end of the
Clinton administration with the dot.com industry going bust and the
regulations being eased on the housing and financial markets and the
Democrats' dream of new home ownership. *Clinton wanted 8 million new
home owners. *Bush continued that dream with a desire for 5.5 million on
his watch. *Oversight went in the toilet, we had 9/11, two wars, an
unfunded mandate on Medicare Part D, etc. *

We also had a Democratically controlled House and Senate since the 2006
elections and lack of oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Obama
campaigning that Afghanistan was the "right" war and a continuation of
the many of the same policies that existed under Bush. *The economy was
in the toilet, jobs were going away and Obama was concentrating on
passing his historic healthcare bill (insurance reform) rather than to
focus on the other two problems.

Yes, I believe those things. *I also believe that, sometime, Obama needs
to stand up and be counted rather than to continue to blame things on
Bush.

Wow. Talk about reality distortion fields....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_cr...idential_terms

U.S. president Party Term years Start jobs* End jobs* created (in
millions) Average annual increase
George W. Bush R 2001–2005 132,469 132,453 +0.0 -0.0%
George W. Bush R 2005–2009 132,453 133,563 +1.1 +0.1%
Barack Obama D 2009–2013 133,563 131,753 (May 2011) -1.81 (May
2011) -.54% (May. 2011/Roughly 2.5 Years)
*In Thousands

Obama: -54%

To-wit: "Obama the jobs loser."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

Barack Hussien Obama, Jr.:
-All the answers as a candidate;
-No solutions as the president!

If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist you'll
have to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not stupid!"

"Sunday, January 20th, 2013 - The End of an Error"

"Experience is a wonderful thing; it enables us to recognize
Left-Wing Lying Liberal Socialist LOSER Democrat™ BS
when we read it again and Again; and AGAIN!"
— Me

Alan Baker wrote in
:

In article ,
RD Sandman wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in
:

In article ,
RD Sandman wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in news:alangbaker-
:

In article ,
RD Sandman wrote:

Alan Baker wrote in
:

In article ,
"Oglethorpe" wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
...
On 7/24/2011 7:34 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
On Jul 23, 8:48 am,
wrote:

ISN'T IT OBVIOUS to all but you brainless racists among
us that the "Boehner Plan" is aimed squarely at making
Obama the first president to preside over a U.S.
DEFAULT?


The Obama administration spent more in less than 3 years
than the Bush administration did in eight years. There would
be no need to raise the debt ceiling were it not for that.

Yeah.

If you take over the controls of an aircraft that someone has
put
into
a steep dive, you can't just yank the controls back to level
it off, either.


How many more years do you think that excuse will fly?

Before I answer: do you really think that is is just an excuse
that has no validity?


Do you mean the aircraft metaphor or the comment about Obama and
your implication?

I mean do you really think that the fact that the U.S. economy was
in a steep decline when Obama took office and it cannot be reversed
just by flicking a switch: do you think that that is valid or not?


Yes, I believe that the decline actually started at the end of the
Clinton administration with the dot.com industry going bust and the
regulations being eased on the housing and financial markets and the
Democrats' dream of new home ownership. Clinton wanted 8 million new
home owners. Bush continued that dream with a desire for 5.5 million
on his watch. Oversight went in the toilet, we had 9/11, two wars,
an unfunded mandate on Medicare Part D, etc.

We also had a Democratically controlled House and Senate since the
2006 elections and lack of oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,
Obama campaigning that Afghanistan was the "right" war and a
continuation of the many of the same policies that existed under
Bush. The economy was in the toilet, jobs were going away and Obama
was concentrating on passing his historic healthcare bill (insurance
reform) rather than to focus on the other two problems.

Yes, I believe those things. I also believe that, sometime, Obama
needs to stand up and be counted rather than to continue to blame
things on Bush.

Wow. Talk about reality distortion fields....

Yep, too many folks on both sides have them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_cr...esidential_ter
ms

What did you want me to look at on that cite? The 1.1 million created
under Bush or the 1.81 lost under Obama? That is what those + and -
signs mean, don't ya' know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms


How about:

07/25/2011 14,535,921,315,199
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

We could use the 2000 fiscal year end and start Bush with $5.7T and
ending with $10.1T. Now Obama is at $14.5T after only 2.5 years. Let's
see that is Bush at $4.4T in 8 years and Obama at $4.4T in less than 3.
Got it. Thanks.


--
RD (The Sandman)

Thought for the day.......

Handle every stressful situation like a dog would.
If you can't eat it or hump it....**** on it and walk away.

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On Jul 25, 9:17 am, dave wrote:
On 07/24/2011 06:30 PM, wrote:



That is what they use in places like Texas . It is very old
fashioned . We still have electric chairs over here !

Wrong!

Ooops, I goofed here ! Texas is much more humane now . They give them
the 'easy death': by injection . . . Electricity is quite expensive
lately , as we all know . What happened to the rope ?


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I recall that Westley Allen Dodd requested hanging in Washington state back
in '93. That's the last one I can remember hearing about.