John Smith wrote in
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On 10/16/2011 1:39 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
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John wrote:

On 10/15/2011 11:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
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. net wrote:

"Howard wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:00:47 -0700, John
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Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs

I don't see what academia use, I don't see what most companies
use. But I do see what people have in coffee houses - and there
are lots of Macs there.

That's about where you're going to find them since 3/4 of Macs
being sold are the laptops. The Mac desktop market keeps
shrinking.


No, Scout:

THE desktop market keeps shrinking.


Light duty use, traveling, you are just stuck with a laptop ...


If by "light duty use" you mean: "just about everything that the
average person wants to do with a computer".


But, try to load one up with massive storage, 32 gigs ram, excellent
video card, etc. and it sucks the battery like pouring water out of
a bucket ... some will try to go total laptop ... but if you need
powerful computing power and support hardware, forget it ... plus,
no real upgrade potential ... you have to trash it every year.

No, actually, you don't.

I'm typing this on my now nearly 4 year old MacBook Pro which does
all I want it to do.

And most people don't need "powerful computing power" [sic]. They
didn't need what passed for powerful 5 years ago and they certainly
don't need the power that a high-end desktop has.


Now I see how you can recommend junk to those contemplating the
purchase of a computer ... laptops are barely acceptable for most all
commercial applications ...

That depends on what that application is.

--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

Witnessing Republicans and Democrats bickering over
the National Debt is like watching two drunks argue
over a bar bill on the Titanic.....

On 10/16/2011 1:49 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
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. net wrote:

"Alan wrote in message
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In ,
. net wrote:

"Howard wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:00:47 -0700, John
wrote:

Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs

I don't see what academia use, I don't see what most companies use.
But I do see what people have in coffee houses - and there are lots of
Macs there.

That's about where you're going to find them since 3/4 of Macs being sold
are the laptops. The Mac desktop market keeps shrinking.


No, Scout:

THE desktop market keeps shrinking.

Cite?


http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww1203.htm

http://srl.gatech.edu/Members/ashah/...is_aditya_abhi
nav.pdf

http://www.inquisitr.com/76157/table...-sales-by-2015
-laptops-will-still-reign/


Somehow, I would not even put tablets in the same universe as a decent
laptop! Nor an android phone, calculator, etc. lol

Regards,
JS

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"Scout" wrote:

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John Smith wrote:

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two!
Ya gotta love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX
(unix) machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of
Linux you want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400
bucks, or under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay,
newegg, etc. you can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping
this, but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent
one, the ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

No.

That they are buying Macs is proof they work well for normal
people.

Hmmm.... and component built systems work 4 times as well.

No. They do not.


So what's your point?

Most people have neither the interest nor the knowledge to build their
own systems.


Most people don't need either the interest or the knowledge. They go to
a local computer dealer, discuss their needs and the dealer will usually
build it for them. Now, if that dealer is a place like Best Buy or
Costco, yes, you will get a brand name product....if the dealer is an
independent, then the system will most likely be built by the dealer him
or herself.

--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

Witnessing Republicans and Democrats bickering over
the National Debt is like watching two drunks argue
over a bar bill on the Titanic.....

On 10/16/2011 12:17 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
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"Lloyd E wrote in message
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On 10/15/11 10:46 AM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/15/2011 8:41 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:

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I don't think you or I will live long enough to see the 'year of
the mac' if that is defined as Apple being the dominant tech
provider. Not
going to happen.

But the 'year of the Mac' has already happened in the upscale
tech market with consumers with a few bucks.



Yes, I am sure many are heroes in their own mind, have saved the
world,
dominate the markets ... and it would be evil to destroy their
fantasies
... roflol

Still, one must keep a foot in reality ...

Regards,
JS

In business, the reality is growing your sales and profits. In
that, it
has been the year of the Mac for quite awhile now. You are free
to talk
about what volumes of sales are out there in wintel/linux world,
but that
is being done at pathetic profit levels.

Overall, desktop sales on all platforms is down as more go to
laptops. Primarily because laptops now have enough performance for
almost all applications and the prices are down quite a bit. Heck
for all the bitching about Apple's prices, laptops with similar
specifications and build quality are all pretty much the same in
cost.

Apple just doesn't do cheap laptops.

Which is why Apple sells only a small fraction of the number of
laptops sold. PC dominates over Mac even in the laptop market


But Apple makes most of the profit...

:-)

Shows they overprice their goods....

Not exactly a positive thing from the view point of anyone looking at
buying their products.




But an excellent one from theirs as long as it doesn't drastically reduce
sales. With the charisma Apple seems to hold, I don't think that is much
of a problem. It is like the folks who love to own Cadillacs. It
doesn't cost much more to produce a Cadillac than it does Chevy, but
compare the price and the cachet.


I don't even think that comparison is close.

It is more like a ford pickup and a Peterbilt!

Regards,
JS

In article ,
John Smith wrote:

On 10/16/2011 1:39 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/15/2011 11:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
. net wrote:

"Howard wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:00:47 -0700, John
wrote:

Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs

I don't see what academia use, I don't see what most companies use.
But I do see what people have in coffee houses - and there are lots of
Macs there.

That's about where you're going to find them since 3/4 of Macs being sold
are the laptops. The Mac desktop market keeps shrinking.


No, Scout:

THE desktop market keeps shrinking.


Light duty use, traveling, you are just stuck with a laptop ...


If by "light duty use" you mean: "just about everything that the average
person wants to do with a computer".


But, try to load one up with massive storage, 32 gigs ram, excellent
video card, etc. and it sucks the battery like pouring water out of a
bucket ... some will try to go total laptop ... but if you need powerful
computing power and support hardware, forget it ... plus, no real
upgrade potential ... you have to trash it every year.

No, actually, you don't.

I'm typing this on my now nearly 4 year old MacBook Pro which does all I
want it to do.

And most people don't need "powerful computing power" [sic]. They didn't
need what passed for powerful 5 years ago and they certainly don't need
the power that a high-end desktop has.


Now I see how you can recommend junk to those contemplating the purchase
of a computer ... laptops are barely acceptable for most all commercial
applications ...

Commercial applications such as...

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

In article ,
John Smith wrote:

On 10/16/2011 1:49 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
. net wrote:

"Alan wrote in message
...
In ,
. net wrote:

"Howard wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:00:47 -0700, John
wrote:

Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs

I don't see what academia use, I don't see what most companies use.
But I do see what people have in coffee houses - and there are lots of
Macs there.

That's about where you're going to find them since 3/4 of Macs being sold
are the laptops. The Mac desktop market keeps shrinking.


No, Scout:

THE desktop market keeps shrinking.

Cite?


http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww1203.htm

http://srl.gatech.edu/Members/ashah/...is_aditya_abhi
nav.pdf

http://www.inquisitr.com/76157/table...-sales-by-2015
-laptops-will-still-reign/


Somehow, I would not even put tablets in the same universe as a decent
laptop! Nor an android phone, calculator, etc. lol

Regards,
JS

Way to miss the point!

Point: desktops are declining in market share; giving way to laptops.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

On 10/16/11 3:52 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/16/2011 1:39 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/15/2011 11:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
. net wrote:

"Howard wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:00:47 -0700, John
wrote:

Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs

I don't see what academia use, I don't see what most companies use.
But I do see what people have in coffee houses - and there are
lots of
Macs there.

That's about where you're going to find them since 3/4 of Macs
being sold
are the laptops. The Mac desktop market keeps shrinking.


No, Scout:

THE desktop market keeps shrinking.


Light duty use, traveling, you are just stuck with a laptop ...


If by "light duty use" you mean: "just about everything that the average
person wants to do with a computer".


But, try to load one up with massive storage, 32 gigs ram, excellent
video card, etc. and it sucks the battery like pouring water out of a
bucket ... some will try to go total laptop ... but if you need powerful
computing power and support hardware, forget it ... plus, no real
upgrade potential ... you have to trash it every year.

No, actually, you don't.

I'm typing this on my now nearly 4 year old MacBook Pro which does all I
want it to do.

And most people don't need "powerful computing power" [sic]. They didn't
need what passed for powerful 5 years ago and they certainly don't need
the power that a high-end desktop has.


Now I see how you can recommend junk to those contemplating the purchase
of a computer ... laptops are barely acceptable for most all commercial
applications ...

Regards,
JS

Absolute hogwash!

Most commercial applications don't need the horsepower of an Atom
powered netbook, let alone the extra power from a better, faster processor.

And btw, less powerful doesn't mean junk. But then you gamers don't
understand anything but graphic speed and sound anyway...


--
Lloyd

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:51:55 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

Quite a few people make a living supplying people with such systems
customized to their specific desires.

Most of my computers have been those. But the local stores that made
my computers have all closed and not been replaced.

True, it's largely moved to mail order since that way you don't have the
overhead of a store front, or if you do maintain a store front, it's just to
pick up the occasional sale while you're processing the bulk of your
business through internet orders.

Face to face contact was good at finding out what my needs and wants
really were. Having a clone shop by mail order is as personalized
as having a big name computer by mail order.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:42:15 -0600, Alan Baker
wrote:

I think people look at what they actually get--a computer that works
better for them--and then they look at what the price represents in
terms of cost per day and they realize that the differential is well
worth it.

Don't you know? When people make choices different from my choices
it doesn't mean they looked at the facts and picked what was best for
them. No, it means that they have succumbed to the dark side and it
is our duty to convert them. And we will call *them* irrational
fanboyz.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:52:15 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

Now I see how you can recommend junk to those contemplating the purchase
of a computer ... laptops are barely acceptable for most all commercial
applications ...

"Barely acceptable" is a subset of "acceptable". I don't have a
laptop, but I see people using commercial applications all the time
without seeming to be annoyed at how unacceptable they are.

Admittedly, many have large monitors at home and at work which
supplement their laptops. But those are part of their decision.
They can work on their Powerpoint presentation at the coffee house - I
can't. They can look up the document they didn't think they were
going to need that they got at work - in the middle of the night at
home.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison