(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

On 10/16/2011 12:47 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
. net wrote:

"John wrote in message
...
On 10/13/2011 12:05 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
. net wrote:

"Alan wrote in message
...
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

Your post is an excellent example of what I have found
about
"Apple
People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ...

Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes
that
anyone
who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious
devotion...


Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's,
is
that I
write much of the software I use ... plus, I private
contract
to
develop
software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired,
for
the
most
part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it
simply
would not
make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the
business to
make
money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard
in
being one
of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think
they
can
do that
without me ...

In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from
your
perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers
with
their own
OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can
for
Windows
or for Linux.


Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their
software,
just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even
an
idildo,
for that matter! ROFLOL

So?

Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and
Microsoft
doesn't?


Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the
conversation
I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang
less
buck
will do ...

It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools
always end
up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil
just
doesn't really apply.

If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes
which
have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like,
DUH!

Regards,
JS

As I said:

How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do
not
must be a fool...


It's a cultural standard, today.




Hey, I am not the one into social standards!

I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC
can
just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ...

Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example...


Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD
monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do
the
same with audio ...

You mean, like this:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html

No like this.

http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications

CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac
Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac
Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac
Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac


snip

Like he said, Mac can't compete.


LOL

No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now.

Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that.


That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T
substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better."

I didn't present it to substantiate that.


One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as
ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and have
skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on
those statistics ...

LOL

Please, John: go look at the trend. The information is out there.


When I see massive changes in my family friends, the computers I maintain
and repair, the industry I work in ... I will, I simply won't have a
choice ... at this time, it is simply a non-issue ... makes me really
question those figures ...

When you control only about 4-4.5% of the market....a 13% increase in sales
doesn't really show up as anything significant.

I would suspect the increase is drive by I-Pad sales....not Mac. For all we
know the sale of Macintosh computers has dropped off.

Actually, no. We know that the Mac computers sales have increased and
outgrown the rest of the personal computer market for something like 22
straight quarters.


Still being in a miserable condition after achieving your claims is not
a real achievement ... others opinions may vary ... mac sucks for
industrial/scientific/production uses ... and playing home computer
games ... end of story.

Just look around here, the mac does fine for newsgroups ...

Regards,
JS

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

On 10/16/2011 11:48 AM, Scout wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Scout" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Smith wrote:

On 10/13/2011 8:16 PM, Tankfixer wrote:
In , - Lloyd E Parsons
spouted !

On 10/13/11 7:56 AM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:49 pm, John wrote:
On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote:









In ,
. net
wrote:

"Alan wrote in message
...
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

Your post is an excellent example of what I have
found
about
"Apple
People", they have a religious devotion to the
platform
...

Your post is an excellent example of someone who
believes
that
anyone
who sees value where you do not must do it out of
religious
devotion...

Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse
MAC's,
is
that I
write much of the software I use ... plus, I
private
contract
to
develop
software on multiple platforms (even though I am
retired,
for
the
most
part) ... while most of that could be done on a
MAC, it
simply
would not
make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the
business to
make
money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has
worked
hard
in
being one
of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen,
I think
they
can
do that
without me ...

In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than
Windows
from
your
perspective? The fact that they've always sold
computers
with
their own
OS? You can write software for that platform just
as you
can
for
Windows
or for Linux.

Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run
their
software,
just for starters ... and, they don't have an
iphone, or
even
an
idildo,
for that matter! ROFLOL

So?

Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make
hardware
and
Microsoft
doesn't?

Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off
track, the
conversation
I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same
bang
less
buck
will do ...

It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the
fools
always end
up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ...
evil
just
doesn't really apply.

If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of
any
crimes
which
have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I
mean,
like,
DUH!

Regards,
JS

As I said:

How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in
what
you do
not
must be a fool...

It's a cultural standard, today.

Hey, I am not the one into social standards!

I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do
... the
PC
can
just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ...

Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example...

Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a
high
res HD
monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I
mean ...
do
the
same with audio ...

You mean, like this:


http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html

No like this.


http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications

CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac
Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac
Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac
Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac

snip

Like he said, Mac can't compete.

LOL

No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now.

Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think
about that.

That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which
DON'T
substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better."

One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as
ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new
computers and
have
skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false
"blip" on
those statistics ...

Regards,
JS

For the Non-Techies : PC -vs- Mac

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...pare/pc-vs-mac

non-tech-r-i ~ RHF
.
.

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya
gotta
love it!! :)

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX
(unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of
Linux you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400
bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc.
you can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.

However, they are often willing to buy component built systems
because they
are better or cheaper than named PC packages.

A very few people.

You keep saying that, but a simple check of eBay, nevermind the retail
sales of motherboards would clearly challenge that assertion.

So what exactly do you have to show that it's only "very few people"
that have a component built system?


Quite a few people make a living supplying people with such systems
customized to their specific desires.


--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg


In California, you can walk into any Best Buy, Fry's, etc. and ask them
how many PC's and motherboards they sell a day ... then stop by the
apple store on your way home and notice the employees look like the
maytag repairman (the most loneliest guy in town) unless they having a
new "iPhone rip off day."

Regards,
JS

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

On 10/16/2011 11:50 AM, Scout wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
On 10/15/2011 7:22 PM, Scout wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Smith wrote:

On 10/13/2011 8:16 PM, Tankfixer wrote:
In , - Lloyd E Parsons
spouted !

On 10/13/11 7:56 AM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:49 pm, John wrote:
On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote:









In ,
. net wrote:

"Alan wrote in message
...
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

Your post is an excellent example of what I have
found
about
"Apple
People", they have a religious devotion to the
platform ...

Your post is an excellent example of someone who
believes
that
anyone
who sees value where you do not must do it out of
religious
devotion...

Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse
MAC's,
is
that I
write much of the software I use ... plus, I private
contract
to
develop
software on multiple platforms (even though I am
retired,
for
the
most
part) ... while most of that could be done on a
MAC, it
simply
would not
make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the
business to
make
money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has
worked hard
in
being one
of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I
think
they
can
do that
without me ...

In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than
Windows from
your
perspective? The fact that they've always sold
computers
with
their own
OS? You can write software for that platform just as
you can
for
Windows
or for Linux.

Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run
their
software,
just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone,
or even
an
idildo,
for that matter! ROFLOL

So?

Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make
hardware and
Microsoft
doesn't?

Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off
track, the
conversation
I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same
bang
less
buck
will do ...

It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the
fools
always end
up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ...
evil
just
doesn't really apply.

If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of
any crimes
which
have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I
mean, like,
DUH!

Regards,
JS

As I said:

How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in
what you do
not
must be a fool...

It's a cultural standard, today.

Hey, I am not the one into social standards!

I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ...
the PC
can
just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ...

Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example...

Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a
high res HD
monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean
... do
the
same with audio ...

You mean, like this:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html

No like this.


http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications

CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac
Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac
Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac
Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac

snip

Like he said, Mac can't compete.

LOL

No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now.

Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about
that.

That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which
DON'T
substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better."

One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as
ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers
and have
skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false
"blip" on
those statistics ...

Regards,
JS

For the Non-Techies : PC -vs- Mac

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...pare/pc-vs-mac

non-tech-r-i ~ RHF
.
.

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta
love it!! :)

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux
you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you
can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.

However, they are often willing to buy component built systems because
they are better or cheaper than named PC packages.
Quite a few people make a living supplying people with such systems
customized to their specific desires.



It has been my experience, you run into a real dyed-in-the-wool-fool
and all bets are off!

Seems to me, I've run into a Religious fanatic (ie the Church of Mac)
and anything that's contrary to his doctrine must be wrong.



Yes, apparently on "liars", such as myself, are accusing him of label
worship! Krist, I need another good personal attack just to bring me to
my senses! Ya' suppose?

Regards,
JS

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

On 10/16/2011 11:12 AM, J R wrote:
Y'all cats better hurry up and jump over to the Apple store and get your
new Apple 4S iPhone.I don't want one, ergo I don't tote.

My old buddy is going to George Reed's funeral.Obituaries section at
http://www.clarionledger.com
cuhulin


All I do is message, phone, locate addresses and uses maps GPS as a
guide -- when I need directions, lookup something on the web (in an
emergency -- screen is hard to read at my age), post pictures up to
family facebook pages at family events, newsgroups/email when away from
computers, take pictures when no better camera is available, make audio
notes to myself/others, listen to podcasts of infowars.com and Alex
Jones, watch a youtube.com flick that someone wants me to view, etc.

My 4G LG android phone more than handles the uses which are forced on me
.... and it was cheap. I am always happy to get home in from of my dual
32 inch screens ...

Regards,
JS

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

On 10/17/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/16/2011 11:48 AM, Scout wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Scout" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Smith wrote:

On 10/13/2011 8:16 PM, Tankfixer wrote:
In , - Lloyd E Parsons
spouted !

On 10/13/11 7:56 AM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:49 pm, John wrote:
On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote:









In ,
. net
wrote:

"Alan wrote in message
...
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

Your post is an excellent example of what I have
found
about
"Apple
People", they have a religious devotion to the
platform
...

Your post is an excellent example of someone who
believes
that
anyone
who sees value where you do not must do it out of
religious
devotion...

Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse
MAC's,
is
that I
write much of the software I use ... plus, I
private
contract
to
develop
software on multiple platforms (even though I am
retired,
for
the
most
part) ... while most of that could be done on a
MAC, it
simply
would not
make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in
the
business to
make
money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has
worked
hard
in
being one
of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen,
I think
they
can
do that
without me ...

In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than
Windows
from
your
perspective? The fact that they've always sold
computers
with
their own
OS? You can write software for that platform just
as you
can
for
Windows
or for Linux.

Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run
their
software,
just for starters ... and, they don't have an
iphone, or
even
an
idildo,
for that matter! ROFLOL

So?

Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make
hardware
and
Microsoft
doesn't?

Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off
track, the
conversation
I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the
same
bang
less
buck
will do ...

It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money,
the
fools
always end
up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil
...
evil
just
doesn't really apply.

If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of
any
crimes
which
have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I
mean,
like,
DUH!

Regards,
JS

As I said:

How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in
what
you do
not
must be a fool...

It's a cultural standard, today.

Hey, I am not the one into social standards!

I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do
... the
PC
can
just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ...

Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example...

Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a
high
res HD
monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I
mean ...
do
the
same with audio ...

You mean, like this:


http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html

No like this.


http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications

CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac
Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac
Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac
Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac

snip

Like he said, Mac can't compete.

LOL

No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now.

Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think
about that.

That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which
DON'T
substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better."

One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people
just as
ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new
computers and
have
skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false
"blip" on
those statistics ...

Regards,
JS

For the Non-Techies : PC -vs- Mac

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...pare/pc-vs-mac

non-tech-r-i ~ RHF
.
.

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya
gotta
love it!! :)

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX
(unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of
Linux you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400
bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc.
you can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.

However, they are often willing to buy component built systems
because they
are better or cheaper than named PC packages.

A very few people.

You keep saying that, but a simple check of eBay, nevermind the retail
sales of motherboards would clearly challenge that assertion.

So what exactly do you have to show that it's only "very few people"
that have a component built system?


Quite a few people make a living supplying people with such systems
customized to their specific desires.


--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg


In California, you can walk into any Best Buy, Fry's, etc. and ask them
how many PC's and motherboards they sell a day ... then stop by the
apple store on your way home and notice the employees look like the
maytag repairman (the most loneliest guy in town) unless they having a
new "iPhone rip off day."

Regards,
JS

LOL! I guess all those reports about the Apple Store's being extremely
busy that we see everywhere except from you, must be fiction huh? :)

Around here, BestBuy does fine selling PCs, but components other than
external HDs and such, not so much.


--
Lloyd

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

On 10/16/2011 12:03 PM, Scout wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
On 10/15/2011 12:44 PM, Scout wrote:


"Howard Brazee" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:12:02 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

No, their desktop market is growing, just not as fast as their laptop
market.

Sorry, they are selling more desktops because of an expanding market,
but
their share in that expanding market is decreasing.

Other arguments in this thread have been claiming a shrinking desktop
market. Which arguments are correct?

Both.

Desktop computers last longer nowadays before becoming obsolete for
most functions. And there are more and better alternatives to
desktop computers than there used to be.

Yep, but the alternatives are most expensive, less durable, limited in
upgrade options, and generally poorer performance than a comparable
desktop.



Yes, what the world needs is a generic platform for the laptop, where
as much choice of components is available as in the desktop/tower
platform ... proprietary chit is always crap ...

Except the conditions of a laptop are utterly different than a desktop.

Thus the different processors, etc.

In a desktop, power usage isn't a big deal, but in a laptop every watt
used matters since it impacts battery life.
In a desktop, weight isn't an issue since it's not going anywhere, but
in a laptop lighter is better as heavy laptops don't sell as well
In a desktop, you don't have to worry so much about size. A 3.5" drive
is fine, but in a laptop you have to go with the smallest form factor
you can to cut down on size and weight.
In a desktop you can make it more durable because size, weight and power
usage aren't a big concern, a laptop on the other hand needs to shave
everything to the absolute minimum and thus durability suffers.
In a desktop you can hold your CPU at a moderate temperature, by using a
big heavy heat sink and having a rather large fan blowing air over it,
in a laptop, you've only got so much room for the heat sink, and you
can't make it any heavier than absolutely necessary, and you don't want
to run the fan unless you absolutely have to (battery life), so
generally your laptop CPU runs hot, damn hot, burning hot, which isn't
so great for CPU life.

They are just different horses with utterly different requirements. The
Desktop is the Clydesdale, while a laptop is a pony. Sure the pony can
do most the stuff the Clydesdale can do....by working like hell doing
it....but it's going to wear that pony out that much quicker. Size,
weight, power use, heat, and so on DEFINE the limits of what a laptop is
and can do. Thus laptops will always be more limited in nature than a
desktop.



Absolutely in agreement, my 10 inch notebook is tiny volkwagon (like I
say, all I need is a TX/RX cell unit and phone software), my 3/4 tower
case holding the most uptodate components is a Peterbilt, a very sporty
Peterbilt, but still ...

Regards,
JS

(OT) Steve Jobs.
 

On 10/16/2011 1:39 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/16/2011 8:09 AM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:44:54 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

Sorry, they are selling more desktops because of an expanding market, but
their share in that expanding market is decreasing.

Other arguments in this thread have been claiming a shrinking desktop
market. Which arguments are correct?

Both.

Could you explain how the market for desktop computers can be both
expanding and shrinking?


Most laptops cannot even handle Secondlife!

Cite...


Yours, load it up and give it a spin, it is free ... http://secondlife.com/

Minimum system requirements:
http://secondlife.com/support/system-requirements/

Client/viewer downloads:
http://secondlife.com/support/downloads/ (Mac/Linux versions available here)

Once in world, hang out in Sandbox Island, Sandbox Cordova, or Sandbox
Goguen -- here you will find serious "griefers" to test your hardware
and video to the max ...

When you can manage them, take a trip to the weapons testing sandbox ...
and when you want to die ... go to Rausch!

Be careful, it can become addicting ... because of low system
requirements, this is a good entry level "game" for older/aging computer
users ...

Regards,
JS

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Lloyd E Parsons wrote in
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On 10/16/11 4:16 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:51:55 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

Quite a few people make a living supplying people with such
systems customized to their specific desires.

Most of my computers have been those. But the local stores that
made my computers have all closed and not been replaced.

True, it's largely moved to mail order since that way you don't have
the overhead of a store front, or if you do maintain a store front,
it's just to pick up the occasional sale while you're processing the
bulk of your business through internet orders.

Face to face contact was good at finding out what my needs and wants
really were. Having a clone shop by mail order is as personalized
as having a big name computer by mail order.

I'd have to agree. And honestly, if that mail order clone shop is
cheaper on a per configuration basis, than most of the big names, I'd
be running away from them. It just isn't all that much cheaper to buy
the parts and put them together properly than it is to buy ready made,
UNLESS the shop has really cheap labor or doesn't factor that in.

Plus the big name gets its parts a lot cheaper due to volume discount.
Are you going to give a hobbyist the same price on a motherboard that you
give a big name? No.

Then the question becomes who does the warranty when things don't go
right, and who provides tech support if you need it? The guy that
doesn't think his labor is worth much??

Many folks who buy name brand (like from a Costco) will usually stop by a
local computer shop to fix any troubles rather than to send his laptop
back to the source.



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"Scout" wrote in
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"Lloyd E Parsons" wrote in message
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On 10/16/11 10:20 PM, Scout wrote:


"Lloyd E Parsons" wrote in message
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On 10/16/11 4:16 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:51:55 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

Quite a few people make a living supplying people with such
systems customized to their specific desires.

Most of my computers have been those. But the local stores that
made my computers have all closed and not been replaced.

True, it's largely moved to mail order since that way you don't
have the
overhead of a store front, or if you do maintain a store front,
it's just to
pick up the occasional sale while you're processing the bulk of
your business through internet orders.

Face to face contact was good at finding out what my needs and
wants really were. Having a clone shop by mail order is as
personalized as having a big name computer by mail order.

I'd have to agree. And honestly, if that mail order clone shop is
cheaper on a per configuration basis, than most of the big names,
I'd be running away from them. It just isn't all that much cheaper
to buy the parts and put them together properly than it is to buy
ready made, UNLESS the shop has really cheap labor or doesn't
factor that in.

No, actually it is cheaper. It doesn't take very long to assemble a
computer, and properly done you easily undercut the names by
selective buying. Because the names don't get the discounts that
arise as the hardware is superseded by newer tech. A computer
they've had sitting in the warehouse for a year is not worth nearly
as much as it was a year ago, but they've already paid the higher
price for the hardware. A local supplier doesn't have this problem
because they have a much quicker supply turnover and thus they don't
lose the value in hardware at nearly the rate as the big players do.
Plus the small supplier can take advantage of price breaks, sales,
discounts, and so on, while the brand guys are limited in their
ability to change the hardware configuration at the drop of a hat.

Having been in the business for many years, I call bull**** on your
little story here.

The big boys buy in such massive quantities that they can buy current
stuff for what the little guy pays for the last cycle of parts. And
then have them built in factories with such cheap labor that any US
builder can't even come close to matching. Labor far, far less than
minimum wage here.

In the end, they sell for less than the little guy that values his
labor at all.

Odd, I've done it and even figuring my labor at $30/hr I could still
provide equal hardware at a lower price, or better hardware at the
same price and tuned to the customers exact requirements rather than
some cookie cutter. Plus I know several people who make a living out
of doing this and oddly enough they seem to be making a pretty decent
living at it.

That depends on the hardware. For example, I'm not in the PC business
anymore but on modems, routers, etc.. a person can go to a Best Buy and
get one for less than the computer shop owner pays for it. Where the
shop owner shines is in custom building. When certain configurations are
built to fill a particular niche for a particular customer. At least
that is how it was....way back when....

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Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

Witnessing Republicans and Democrats bickering over
the National Debt is like watching two drunks argue
over a bar bill on the Titanic.....