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I just now heard on TV news he has died.
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On 10/5/2011 8:10 PM, J R wrote:
I just now heard on TV news he has died. cuhulin I guess you just can't keep charging people too much for hardware and OS forever ... someone elses' turn now ... Regards, JS |
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:33:33 -0700, John Smith wrote:
On 10/5/2011 8:10 PM, J R wrote: I just now heard on TV news he has died. cuhulin I guess you just can't keep charging people too much for hardware and OS forever ... someone elses' turn now ... Regards, JS That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form of substance. |
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Now it has gotten to where I can't even watch the Do It Yourself
channel! Those STUPID! Rosie O' Fat tee vee commercials on there.They are SICK! cuhulin |
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On 10/8/2011 5:42 PM, dave wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:33:33 -0700, John Smith wrote: On 10/5/2011 8:10 PM, J R wrote: I just now heard on TV news he has died. cuhulin I guess you just can't keep charging people too much for hardware and OS forever ... someone elses' turn now ... Regards, JS That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form of substance. Sounds like they are selling you magic mushrooms! Gesus, Mac software can't possible cause that much brain damage, alone, without mushrooms (well, and pot), can it? Regards, JS |
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On Oct 8, 5:42*pm, dave wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:33:33 -0700, John Smith wrote: On 10/5/2011 8:10 PM, J R wrote: I just now heard on TV news he has died. cuhulin I guess you just can't keep charging people too much for hardware and OS forever ... someone elses' turn now ... Regards, JS - That's not the business Apple is in; - they sell a lifestyle of form of substance. Ah M4 Mania Dave -u-b- Smoking Da App El ! -aka-'substance'-abuse- * Mucho Medical-Marijuana Madness [M4] |
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"dave" wrote in message ... On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:33:33 -0700, John Smith wrote: On 10/5/2011 8:10 PM, J R wrote: I just now heard on TV news he has died. cuhulin I guess you just can't keep charging people too much for hardware and OS forever ... someone elses' turn now ... Regards, JS That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form of substance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... On 10/5/2011 8:10 PM, J R wrote: I just now heard on TV news he has died. cuhulin I guess you just can't keep charging people too much for hardware and OS forever ... someone elses' turn now ... Regards, JS FYI I owe my life to an old Apple ][+ because I learned machine language programming on one of those and then through a series of events ended up being a full time programmer for IBM personal computers that got to travel all over the place like from Boston, MA to Orlando, FL via New York City were I went to the top of the South Tower. And I went to places like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Catalina Island, Amarillo, TX even up to Vancouver Canada and a lot of other places in the mid states. Two of the things I did on the Apple ][e computers while I was still in school were to rewrite the OS so it could load the first two programs on a disk without loading the entire OS depending on what number I pressed while booting and I changed my OS so I no longer had to spell out the entire word CATALOG. All I had to do was spell cat or catwhatever (meaning as long at the word "cat" was spelled in upper or lower case it didn't matter what letters were behind it). Yep, I owe my life to Steve Jobs even though I never bought an iPhone, iPad or iPod but I might buy an iPhone if Sprint will let me keep my current plan with unlimited phone as modem. Rocky |
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote:
That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. |
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I have at least half a dozen old Apple and Mac computers, and a bunch of
old Windows computers.Some of them are Portable Computers, forerunners of laptop computers, one of them has a big shoulder strap attached to it.Five of my old Dinasaurs (computers) were given to me for free.The rest of them, I bought dirt cheap at Goodwill.My newest computer, a Velocity Micro ProMagix desktop computer XP Home Edition operating system, I bought it new from Velocity Micro in Richmond,Virginia in November of 2004.I have seven WebTV set top boxes.For most of what I do, WebTV works just fine for me. I am an Idiot. cuhulin |
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Steve Jobs was a Great inovator, that is for Sure.
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When my eight years older brother was an MP at Fort Gordon,Georgia back
in the 1950s, a guy was driving a Jeep.That guy had forgot to first check the oil level.He burnt the Jeep engine up.My brother and another guy, they went out there with some old used motor oil.They drained the new oil from the Jeep, then they refilled the Jeep engine with the old used motor oil.When they got back to Motor Pool, the boss said, I can't understand why that engine burned up. What kind of motor oil are you using Earl? ///Motor oyl is motor oyl!/// cuhulin |
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dave wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
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Alan Baker wrote: In article , dave wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college students in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their own free will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either. What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? |
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On 10/8/2011 6:56 PM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 8, 5:42 pm, wrote: On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:33:33 -0700, John Smith wrote: On 10/5/2011 8:10 PM, J R wrote: I just now heard on TV news he has died. cuhulin I guess you just can't keep charging people too much for hardware and OS forever ... someone elses' turn now ... Regards, JS - That's not the business Apple is in; - they sell a lifestyle of form of substance. Ah M4 Mania Dave -u-b- Smoking Da App El ! -aka-'substance'-abuse- * Mucho Medical-Marijuana Madness [M4] . . Reminds me of that old Cheech and Chong movie where they are smuggling dope into the USA by forming the compressed pot into the material the auto body is made out of ... maybe dave is indicating you break off parts of a MAC and smoke it? I don't know, I'll wait until others have tried it and see if it looks like something I would like to do, or not ... Regards, JS |
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On 10/9/2011 11:49 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. They virtually gave them the hardware, then sold them the software for exorbitant prices ... signed them into exploitative contracts, etc. Contracts which stipulated only apple people maintained the college hardware ... etc., etc. Games within games, really. Back in the late 80's and early 90's I taught at a jr. college, I seen first hand how apples predatory sales techniques worked. Finally, at the college, a few of us wrote letters of complaint to the "higher ups" and rectified the problem ... there was also some business of "incentives" being passed about about by apple to those who controlled purchasing ... lunches, wining and dining, etc. However, digital equipment corporation also participated in such practices ... (DEC) However, one thing I did notice, the "apple room" was always full of liberal arts students while the PC sections of the computer labs always contained the math, physics, science, etc. students ... just as a casual observation ... Regards, JS |
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On 10/9/2011 4:35 PM, William Clark wrote:
In , Alan wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college students in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their own free will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either. What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? Could have some relationship to the accelerated "dumbing down" of schools and students which has been underway for decades ... no motivation or interest in building their own computers or maintaining up-to-date and state-of-the-art equip. for advanced use ... just want canned hardware ... just sayin' ... Regards, JS |
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On 10/8/2011 11:19 PM, Rocky wrote:
"John wrote in message ... On 10/5/2011 8:10 PM, J R wrote: I just now heard on TV news he has died. cuhulin I guess you just can't keep charging people too much for hardware and OS forever ... someone elses' turn now ... Regards, JS FYI I owe my life to an old Apple ][+ because I learned machine language programming on one of those and then through a series of events ended up being a full time programmer for IBM personal computers that got to travel all over the place like from Boston, MA to Orlando, FL via New York City were I went to the top of the South Tower. And I went to places like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Catalina Island, Amarillo, TX even up to Vancouver Canada and a lot of other places in the mid states. Two of the things I did on the Apple ][e computers while I was still in school were to rewrite the OS so it could load the first two programs on a disk without loading the entire OS depending on what number I pressed while booting and I changed my OS so I no longer had to spell out the entire word CATALOG. All I had to do was spell cat or catwhatever (meaning as long at the word "cat" was spelled in upper or lower case it didn't matter what letters were behind it). Yep, I owe my life to Steve Jobs even though I never bought an iPhone, iPad or iPod but I might buy an iPhone if Sprint will let me keep my current plan with unlimited phone as modem. Rocky Wow, learned motorola syntax to write in intel assembly syntax ... kinda like exchanging the horses place with the cart ... In the early days, getting documentation on the apple bios was so difficult, it was probably the major reason most jumped to intel to write OS, apps, etc. And, so long ago I forget the specifics, but at least a lot of the apple bios was boot blocks on a disk, as opposed to the firmware bios of the PC ... Regards, JS |
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John Smith wrote: On 10/9/2011 11:49 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. They virtually gave them the hardware, "Giving" is "strongarming"? then sold them the software for exorbitant prices ... signed them into exploitative contracts, etc. Really? And they signed these contracts with the children? Because I was under the impression that schools had people who were qualified to agree to such contracts... Contracts which stipulated only apple people maintained the college hardware ... etc., etc. Games within games, really. Then they were free not to sign them, weren't they? Ergo: not strongarmed at all. Back in the late 80's and early 90's I taught at a jr. college, I seen first hand how apples predatory sales techniques worked. Clearly. Finally, at the college, a few of us wrote letters of complaint to the "higher ups" and rectified the problem ... there was also some business of "incentives" being passed about about by apple to those who controlled purchasing ... lunches, wining and dining, etc. However, digital equipment corporation also participated in such practices ... (DEC) However, one thing I did notice, the "apple room" was always full of liberal arts students while the PC sections of the computer labs always contained the math, physics, science, etc. students ... just as a casual observation ... Riiiiiiiight. Regards, JS -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
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John Smith wrote: On 10/9/2011 4:35 PM, William Clark wrote: In , Alan wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college students in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their own free will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either. What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? Could have some relationship to the accelerated "dumbing down" of schools and students which has been underway for decades ... no motivation or interest in building their own computers or maintaining up-to-date and state-of-the-art equip. for advanced use ... just want canned hardware ... just sayin' ... Regards, JS Or it could be what I've observed year after year: someone who switches to the Mac almost never switches back to the PC. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
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On 10/10/2011 12:13 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In , John wrote: On 10/9/2011 4:35 PM, William Clark wrote: In , Alan wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college students in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their own free will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either. What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? Could have some relationship to the accelerated "dumbing down" of schools and students which has been underway for decades ... no motivation or interest in building their own computers or maintaining up-to-date and state-of-the-art equip. for advanced use ... just want canned hardware ... just sayin' ... Regards, JS Or it could be what I've observed year after year: someone who switches to the Mac almost never switches back to the PC. You should have seen my mother with a PC, virus after virus, email sending spam to everyone in her address book, etc. Still, she would never take a computer class, never would read a book, ... The world breathed a sigh of relief when we insisted she have a MAC and took away her PC ... it was then I realized PC's are like guns ... some people just shouldn't be allowed to own one! She now plays solitaire, emails and watches netflix without doing harm to anyone else ... Regards, JS |
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On 10/10/2011 12:05 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In , John wrote: On 10/9/2011 11:49 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. They virtually gave them the hardware, "Giving" is "strongarming"? then sold them the software for exorbitant prices ... signed them into exploitative contracts, etc. Really? And they signed these contracts with the children? Because I was under the impression that schools had people who were qualified to agree to such contracts... Contracts which stipulated only apple people maintained the college hardware ... etc., etc. Games within games, really. Then they were free not to sign them, weren't they? Ergo: not strongarmed at all. Back in the late 80's and early 90's I taught at a jr. college, I seen first hand how apples predatory sales techniques worked. Clearly. Finally, at the college, a few of us wrote letters of complaint to the "higher ups" and rectified the problem ... there was also some business of "incentives" being passed about about by apple to those who controlled purchasing ... lunches, wining and dining, etc. However, digital equipment corporation also participated in such practices ... (DEC) However, one thing I did notice, the "apple room" was always full of liberal arts students while the PC sections of the computer labs always contained the math, physics, science, etc. students ... just as a casual observation ... Riiiiiiiight. Regards, JS Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... Regards, JS |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... On 10/8/2011 11:19 PM, Rocky wrote: "John wrote in message ... On 10/5/2011 8:10 PM, J R wrote: I just now heard on TV news he has died. cuhulin I guess you just can't keep charging people too much for hardware and OS forever ... someone elses' turn now ... Regards, JS FYI I owe my life to an old Apple ][+ because I learned machine language programming on one of those and then through a series of events ended up being a full time programmer for IBM personal computers that got to travel all over the place like from Boston, MA to Orlando, FL via New York City were I went to the top of the South Tower. And I went to places like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Catalina Island, Amarillo, TX even up to Vancouver Canada and a lot of other places in the mid states. Two of the things I did on the Apple ][e computers while I was still in school were to rewrite the OS so it could load the first two programs on a disk without loading the entire OS depending on what number I pressed while booting and I changed my OS so I no longer had to spell out the entire word CATALOG. All I had to do was spell cat or catwhatever (meaning as long at the word "cat" was spelled in upper or lower case it didn't matter what letters were behind it). Yep, I owe my life to Steve Jobs even though I never bought an iPhone, iPad or iPod but I might buy an iPhone if Sprint will let me keep my current plan with unlimited phone as modem. Rocky Wow, learned motorola syntax to write in intel assembly syntax ... kinda like exchanging the horses place with the cart ... Yes they were different but the closest thing to Intel machine language was machine language. Besides the assembler I had at the time could be used for multiple languages and we had to learn a few of them too. In the early days, getting documentation on the apple bios was so difficult, it was probably the major reason most jumped to intel to write OS, apps, etc. I had just the opposite problem. I found it was easier to get documentation the Apple Dos and Apple BIOS than it was for me to get it for the IBM AT. And when I finally found and bought my IBM AT Technical Reference Manual I ended up with a used copy instead of a brand new one. And, so long ago I forget the specifics, but at least a lot of the apple bios was boot blocks on a disk, as opposed to the firmware bios of the PC ... Yep, I remember the way Apple booted very well and I never figured out how to boot trace on an IBM the way I could with the Apple. As a matter of fact that fast loader I wrote for the Apple DOS that could run programs without loading the entire OS was placed into the sector that was used to assemble the data read from the disk. That reminds me. I also sped up how quick I could read from text files from a disk because on a read I removed the built in time-out and just read from the disk until I didn't get an error. I even wrote a special OS just to handle Rayna drives that supported 80 tracks and then used that on my BBS. Oh boy, talking about my Apple BBS now. I even rewrote the machine language part of the modem interface to be interrupt driven and after I did that the user could no longer tell when it was changing modules because it would change modules while it was still sending characters out of a buffer via interrupts. Regards, JS Rocky |
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John Smith wrote: On 10/10/2011 12:05 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/9/2011 11:49 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. They virtually gave them the hardware, "Giving" is "strongarming"? then sold them the software for exorbitant prices ... signed them into exploitative contracts, etc. Really? And they signed these contracts with the children? Because I was under the impression that schools had people who were qualified to agree to such contracts... Contracts which stipulated only apple people maintained the college hardware ... etc., etc. Games within games, really. Then they were free not to sign them, weren't they? Ergo: not strongarmed at all. Back in the late 80's and early 90's I taught at a jr. college, I seen first hand how apples predatory sales techniques worked. Clearly. Finally, at the college, a few of us wrote letters of complaint to the "higher ups" and rectified the problem ... there was also some business of "incentives" being passed about about by apple to those who controlled purchasing ... lunches, wining and dining, etc. However, digital equipment corporation also participated in such practices ... (DEC) However, one thing I did notice, the "apple room" was always full of liberal arts students while the PC sections of the computer labs always contained the math, physics, science, etc. students ... just as a casual observation ... Riiiiiiiight. Regards, JS Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg |
(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/10/2011 3:13 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
Or it could be what I've observed year after year: someone who switches to the Mac almost never switches back to the PC. Have you also considered economics? Macs ain't cheap...and once people have all that Mac money invested, they might be reluctant to change. I had my first Apple II back in 1981. Loved it! Then along came the Mac -- closed architecture, NO expansion slots. IBM PCs then came on the scene with -- whadda ya know -- open architecture and expansion slots, an idea that Apple abandoned and IBM adopted. To this very day, IBM has TONS more ham radio, astronomy and science software, expansion cards and applications than the Mac. If you like a toaster/appliance, the Mac is just fine. |
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@x25g2000prg.googlegroups.com, says... On Oct 9, 11:19*pm, John Smith wrote: On 10/9/2011 11:49 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudn...@earthlink .com, * *wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that *most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. They virtually gave them the hardware, then sold them the software for exorbitant prices ... signed them into exploitative contracts, etc. Contracts which stipulated only apple people maintained the college hardware ... etc., etc. *Games within games, really. Back in the late 80's and early 90's I taught at a jr. college, I seen first hand how apples predatory sales techniques worked. Finally, at the college, a few of us wrote letters of complaint to the "higher ups" and rectified the problem ... there was also some business of "incentives" being passed about about by apple to those who controlled purchasing ... lunches, wining and dining, etc. *However, digital equipment corporation also participated in such practices ... (DEC) However, one thing I did notice, the "apple room" was always full of liberal arts students while the PC sections of the computer labs always contained the math, physics, science, etc. students ... just as a casual observation ... Regards, JS Digital Equipment Corporation [DEC] now there is a name 'i' have not heard in a Decade or more... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...nt_Corporation a slave to 'the machine' ~ RHF . DEC purchased by Compaq purchased by HP and now HP is out of the PC business again. |
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On 10/10/11 6:53 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... In , John wrote: On 10/9/2011 4:35 PM, William Clark wrote: In , Alan wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college students in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their own free will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either. What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? Could have some relationship to the accelerated "dumbing down" of schools and students which has been underway for decades ... no motivation or interest in building their own computers or maintaining up-to-date and state-of-the-art equip. for advanced use ... just want canned hardware ... just sayin' ... Regards, JS Or it could be what I've observed year after year: someone who switches to the Mac almost never switches back to the PC. I had to use a Mac as a desktop system for two years when I worked for Terry Mathews. Worst experience of my life, using a Mac. I had to use the modified desktop reset device too often to ever want to purchase a Mac. The modified desktop reset device was a paper clip. Yeah, that paper clip was really tough to use. But then you switched to a device that needed control-alt-delete all too often to bring it back to life after yet another freeze up. PC's are much better bargain than the Mac. That is true. Of course the companies making them are making couch change producing them. :) -- Lloyd |
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On 10/10/11 6:55 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlef3ea0f70-8954-46ad-81cf-7fff0630c4d3 @x25g2000prg.googlegroups.com, says... On Oct 9, 11:19 pm, John wrote: On 10/9/2011 11:49 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudn...@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. They virtually gave them the hardware, then sold them the software for exorbitant prices ... signed them into exploitative contracts, etc. Contracts which stipulated only apple people maintained the college hardware ... etc., etc. Games within games, really. Back in the late 80's and early 90's I taught at a jr. college, I seen first hand how apples predatory sales techniques worked. Finally, at the college, a few of us wrote letters of complaint to the "higher ups" and rectified the problem ... there was also some business of "incentives" being passed about about by apple to those who controlled purchasing ... lunches, wining and dining, etc. However, digital equipment corporation also participated in such practices ... (DEC) However, one thing I did notice, the "apple room" was always full of liberal arts students while the PC sections of the computer labs always contained the math, physics, science, etc. students ... just as a casual observation ... Regards, JS Digital Equipment Corporation [DEC] now there is a name 'i' have not heard in a Decade or more... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...nt_Corporation a slave to 'the machine' ~ RHF . DEC purchased by Compaq purchased by HP and now HP is out of the PC business again. Well not quite out of it yet. But certainly heading in that direction. That'll leave more couch change for Dell and other wintel mfgs to split up. -- Lloyd |
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"BAR" wrote in message ... . DEC purchased by Compaq purchased by HP and now HP is out of the PC business again. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First I've heard of that. I get email from HP at least twice a month wanting me to upgrade my laptop. Also, the PX sells almost nothing BUT HP computers. |
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 23:24:08 -0700, John Smith
wrote: Could have some relationship to the accelerated "dumbing down" of schools and students which has been underway for decades ... Not for decades - forever. Each generation is dumber, has poorer values, and is in every way worse than the previous generation - as defined by the previous generation. Everything good peaked at the previous generation after millennia of improvement, but is now going down hill. For any value of "now" that you wish to use getting its previous generation to make the valuation. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:49:37 -0400, BAR wrote:
What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? Intel won. PC won (Pancreatic Cancer). -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |
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Carly Fiorina, (spelling?) former big shot at HP once said Americans do
not deserve to have jobs. There is NO Way in Hell I ever want a HP anything! U.S.Army PX stores need to Wise Up and start selling different computers.Anything but HP. cuhulin |
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On 10/10/2011 4:21 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 10/10/2011 3:13 AM, Alan Baker wrote: Or it could be what I've observed year after year: someone who switches to the Mac almost never switches back to the PC. Have you also considered economics? Macs ain't cheap...and once people have all that Mac money invested, they might be reluctant to change. I had my first Apple II back in 1981. Loved it! Then along came the Mac -- closed architecture, NO expansion slots. IBM PCs then came on the scene with -- whadda ya know -- open architecture and expansion slots, an idea that Apple abandoned and IBM adopted. To this very day, IBM has TONS more ham radio, astronomy and science software, expansion cards and applications than the Mac. If you like a toaster/appliance, the Mac is just fine. Valid point(s.) Regards, JS |
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On 10/10/2011 7:00 AM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 23:24:08 -0700, John wrote: Could have some relationship to the accelerated "dumbing down" of schools and students which has been underway for decades ... Not for decades - forever. Each generation is dumber, has poorer values, and is in every way worse than the previous generation - as defined by the previous generation. Everything good peaked at the previous generation after millennia of improvement, but is now going down hill. For any value of "now" that you wish to use getting its previous generation to make the valuation. Well, an example of that might be my own childhood, and that "past generation." Eighty-percent of the people owned their own homes, twenty-percent were buying (mortgages, renting, etc.) -- today that is totally upside down and an excellent indication of the trouble we are in ... Regards, JS |
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