"Lloyd E Parsons" wrote in message
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On 10/14/11 2:57 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 11:13 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
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On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
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On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote:
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Your post is an excellent example of what I have found
about
"Apple
People", they have a religious devotion to the platform
...

Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes
that
anyone
who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious
devotion...


Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse
MAC's, is
that I
write much of the software I use ... plus, I private
contract
to
develop
software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired,
for
the
most
part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it
simply
would not
make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the
business
to
make
money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked
hard in
being one
of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think
they
can
do that
without me ...

In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from
your
perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers
with
their own
OS? You can write software for that platform just as you
can
for
Windows
or for Linux.


Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their
software,
just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or
even
an
idildo,
for that matter! ROFLOL

So?

Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware
and
Microsoft
doesn't?


Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the
conversation
I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang
less
buck
will do ...

It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools
always end
up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil
just
doesn't really apply.

If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any
crimes
which
have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean,
like,
DUH!

Regards,
JS

As I said:

How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you
do
not
must be a fool...


It's a cultural standard, today.




Hey, I am not the one into social standards!

I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC
can
just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ...

Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example...


Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res
HD
monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do
the
same with audio ...

You mean, like this:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html

No like this.

http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications

CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac
Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac
Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac
Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac


snip

Like he said, Mac can't compete.


LOL

No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now.

Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that.

a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number.

Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales.

BFD

No, no.

Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all
personal computers sold in the last quarter.


I was just thinking, that probably only encompasses whole, complete
computers ... since I build my own, and most of my families and friends
computers, they are not even counted ... in the final analysis, you can
see that figure simply is not a meaningful representation of the total
PC market ...

Regards,
JS

Hogwash! What you build and other hobbyists also, is such a tiny part of
the sales market it has no real bearing on the issue at all.

Really?

I suggest you browse through the systems for sale on Ebay and take note of
how many are NOT brand systems, but component built.

Further I will note:

Looking at just the top 5 retail motherboard makers.

Own Brand Retail motherboard sales in 2010 (does NOT include OEM sales)

Asustek - 21.6 Million
Gigabyte - 18 Million
ASRock - 8 Million
ECS - 7 Million
MSI - 7 Million

Total = 61.6 Million

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...rboard-maker/1

Given Q2 2011 PC sales were 85 Million

So let's assume that's typical.

85 * 4 = 340 million per year

plus the 61.6 million systems being sold by the top 5 motherboard makers.

equals 401.6 Million computers per year

61.6 /401.6 = Market share of over 15% (if you calculate for TOTAL computer
sales)

Which is about FOUR TIMES the TOTAL Mac sales. (3.76 Million *4) (or about
3.7% of computer sales)

Does that mean Mac sales are "a tiny part of the sales market it has no real
bearing on the issue at all. "?

After all Mac sales are at most only about a quarter of the sales of retail
motherboards. So if component built systems are too few to matter, then Macs
would be even MORE so.



And for the most part, few companies care about that build-your-own
hobbyist market except some parts makers.

61.6 Million motherboards sold last year would tend to suggest otherwise.