On 11/24/2011 1:49 AM, Hils wrote:
On 2011-11-24 04:56, D. Peter Maus wrote:
I've been to the rallies in Chicago and a couple of other cities.
There's a lot of disruption, and an lot of noise, but little substance.
A lot of people there, who, when you ask them why they're there (and I
have), will tell you that they want to be part of an important movement,
but can't really tell you what the purpose of the movement is. Some who
are there because they get to act up/act out with impugnity, and many
(I've asked them and they've said the words) who just want 'to be part
of a big protest.'
But if you ask what they're protesting, they can't clearly tell you.

If they're ignorant, they're young enough not to be blamed for it.
They're on a learning curve.

My memories of learning history at school jump from the Roman occupation
to the agricultural and industrial revolutions. This may have been
partly because my school's head of history was an expert in local Roman
history, and industry is more exciting for kids because it's more tech
stuff than ideas, philosophy and politics. It was years before I learned
properly about things like Norman feudalism, the English civil war, the
French revolution, Swiss democracy, capitalism, communism, the Labour
movement, the Middle East, etc etc.

There's no doubt that there's a lot of anger, here. And there's no doubt
that much of it may be justified. But this 'movement' in particular is
more about personal retribution for achievement than it is about
punishing those who've done so many people so wrong.

They'll find the right targets eventually.

Once they start indiscriminately going through affluent neighborhoods
vandalizing any and every thing that smacks of wealth...it's no longer
about a cause. It's about the chaos.

Some folk in affluent neighbourhoods may have earned their wealth
through honest labour, but statistically those places are also where the
bankers, warmongers and politicians are. They're fair targets.

Yes, they do seem to be learning, already they are stepping away from
being obama supporters to being OWS supporters, a positive move anyway
you cut it ...

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

On 11/24/2011 4:16 PM, Hils wrote:
On 2011-11-24 18:00, John Smith wrote:
Yes, they do seem to be learning, already they are stepping away from
being obama supporters to being OWS supporters, a positive move anyway
you cut it ...

Many of them seem to have worked out that the political and financial
systems they've been born into are inherently corrupt.

I don't have the time to study the US media in any detail, are they
still trying to pretend that Ron Paul doesn't exist?

Absolutely!

Ron Paul is still the "ugly child" which has dinner in his room ...

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

On 11/24/2011 11:51 PM, Hils wrote:
On 2011-11-25 03:02, John Smith wrote:
On 11/24/2011 4:16 PM, Hils wrote:
I don't have the time to study the US media in any detail, are they
still trying to pretend that Ron Paul doesn't exist?

Absolutely!

There's coverage of the recent debate in the Guardian, but they mostly
ridicule the "leading" candidates ("leading" according to the US media),
only later admitting "Ron Paul had a stand-out night. He got some
serious airtime, for a change, and he used it to challenge the party
orthodoxy, the only one to really do so."

You might like this though.

http://rt.com/usa/news/paul-war-security-liberties-061/

The drug laws were widely sold to the people as, "People are being duped
into becoming addicted."

I have always wondered what kind of logic is at work to make common
plants, given to man by his creator, illegal! Indeed, "government" has
made these plants illegal to the point where just the mere growing,
possession or use will get one SERIOUS time in prisons -- at HIGH costs
to taxpayers. It is insane.

We have had drug education for decades. It would be hard to find anyone
who is not aware of the dangers of drugs. I say, if they do no other
crime than to grow and consume these, I don't give a chit!

I'd much rather see the "control freaks" go into psychotherapy and have
their addictions to imprisoning people for growing and consuming these
plants cured!

Or, simply, if you are that concerned what your neighbor is doing,
perhaps you should stop ...

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

On 11/25/2011 1:35 AM, Hils wrote:
On 2011-11-25 08:05, John Smith wrote:
The drug laws were widely sold to the people as, "People are being duped
into becoming addicted."

I've often wondered why it should matter if people did become addicted
(which is far from certain anyway) to something which they can grow on a
kitchen windowsill. Do we worry about people becoming addicted to basil
or parsley?

I have always wondered what kind of logic is at work to make common
plants, given to man by his creator, illegal! Indeed, "government" has
made these plants illegal to the point where just the mere growing,
possession or use will get one SERIOUS time in prisons -- at HIGH costs
to taxpayers. It is insane.

The tendency here is for folk who grow even a very few plants to face
criminal charges, while those caught possessing "personal use"
quantities are only cautioned. This encourages dependency on dealers
while punishing self-sufficiency. When the government's drugs adviser (a
leading academic who's spent most of his career researching recreational
drugs) pointed out the illogicality of their "war on drugs" they fired
him. The WoD is a political jobclub.

We have had drug education for decades. It would be hard to find anyone
who is not aware of the dangers of drugs. I say, if they do no other
crime than to grow and consume these, I don't give a chit!

I'd much rather see the "control freaks" go into psychotherapy and have
their addictions to imprisoning people for growing and consuming these
plants cured!

Or, simply, if you are that concerned what your neighbor is doing,
perhaps you should stop ...

...and you also probably want to see everyone marching in step wearing
identical uniforms and zombie faces...

Actually, I am too busy with my own life to be bothered with much
concern what others are doing, as long as it is no harm to others around
them.

It ****es me off when I have to finally start slapping the childens
hands and telling them to leave the other children alone!

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

On 11/25/2011 3:04 PM, Hils wrote:
On 2011-11-25 20:17, John Smith wrote:
On 11/25/2011 1:35 AM, Hils wrote:
On 2011-11-25 08:05, John Smith wrote:
I'd much rather see the "control freaks" go into psychotherapy and have
their addictions to imprisoning people for growing and consuming these
plants cured!

Or, simply, if you are that concerned what your neighbor is doing,
perhaps you should stop ...

...and you also probably want to see everyone marching in step wearing
identical uniforms and zombie faces...

Actually, I am too busy with my own life to be bothered with much
concern what others are doing, as long as it is no harm to others around
them.

It ****es me off when I have to finally start slapping the childens
hands and telling them to leave the other children alone!

I wasn't referring to *you*, but agreeing with and enlarging on your
previous sentence. Reading it again, the way I phrased it was a little
ambiguous. I didn't have you down as a micro-management fascist. :-)

I was not "attacking you," but reinforcing the point ... while I was not
totally certain of your intent, my intent was to agree that "marching in
step", or "micro-managing" was a symptom of a much larger mental
disorder ... however, that disorder seems to be the elephant in the
china closet, which no one notices ... or even supports!

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

On Nov 25, 2:51*am, Hils wrote:
On 2011-11-25 03:02, John Smith wrote:

On 11/24/2011 4:16 PM, Hils wrote:
I don't have the time to study the US media in any detail, are they
still trying to pretend that Ron Paul doesn't exist?

Absolutely!

There's coverage of the recent debate in the Guardian, but they mostly
ridicule the "leading" candidates ("leading" according to the US media),
only later admitting "Ron Paul had a stand-out night. He got some
serious airtime, for a change, and he used it to challenge the party
orthodoxy, the only one to really do so."

You might like this though.

http://rt.com/usa/news/paul-war-security-liberties-061/

RT.com is a guvmint source. Don't ever trusted them - the more things
change--almost everything remains the same...

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On Nov 25, 2:51*am, Hils wrote:
On 2011-11-25 03:02, John Smith wrote:

On 11/24/2011 4:16 PM, Hils wrote:
I don't have the time to study the US media in any detail, are they
still trying to pretend that Ron Paul doesn't exist?

Absolutely!

There's coverage of the recent debate in the Guardian, but they mostly
ridicule the "leading" candidates ("leading" according to the US media),
only later admitting "Ron Paul had a stand-out night. He got some
serious airtime, for a change, and he used it to challenge the party
orthodoxy, the only one to really do so."

You might like this though.

http://rt.com/usa/news/paul-war-security-liberties-061/

RT.com is a guvmint source. Don't ever trusted them - the more things
change--almost everything remains the same...

Yea, but Yulia Shapovalova is really hot.

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