On 1/11/2012 6:12 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

The truth is that IBOC is a pathetically poor excuse for digital radio
in the same sense that a plastic ring from a Crackerjack box is a poor
excuse for a precious gem. And that is the real issue here.

IBOC is a temporary compromise. Eventually analog will be turned off and
HD Radio will be all digital.

You have to look at the big picture and recognize the practical
considerations in moving from analog to digital, including the business
considerations. We've seen how well creating a new digital band
worked--it didn't.

We'll have to live with analog and digital co-existing, and the problems
that causes, for at least another decade.

"SMS" wrote in message ...

On 1/11/2012 6:12 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

The truth is that IBOC is a pathetically poor excuse for digital radio
in the same sense that a plastic ring from a Crackerjack box is a poor
excuse for a precious gem. And that is the real issue here.

IBOC is a temporary compromise. Eventually analog will be turned off and
HD Radio will be all digital.


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Ah, yes... yet another denial of service to rural users of the media, just
like HD(?*)TV has been. I guess if you don't live in a core city area, you
just don't count (sort of like if you're over 50).

* Quite a bit of supposed HDTV, isn't. Stations that have multiple channels
cannot use full bandwidth for their main channel. Most don't use 1080p,
opting for 720p with an additional channel or two. The ones with 5 side
channels can't even use 720p, and run mostly 480p, which is only marginally
"better" than good old NTSC analog (and you could still receive the analog
signal at a distance, which you cannot do with ATSC.)

On Jan 11, 9:11*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"SMS" *wrote in t...

On 1/11/2012 6:12 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

The truth is that IBOC is a pathetically poor excuse for digital radio
in the same sense that a plastic ring from a Crackerjack box is a poor
excuse for a precious gem. And that is the real issue here.

IBOC is a temporary compromise. Eventually analog will be turned off and
HD Radio will be all digital.

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Ah, yes... yet another denial of service to rural users of the media, just
like HD(?*)TV has been. I guess if you don't live in a core city area, you
just don't count (sort of like if you're over 50).

Ah Yes Indeed ) !

But Then "All Advertising Is Local" {Protecting the
Revenue Stream} and Rural {Local} AM/MW Radio
Stations will then have a 'captive' audience of rural
AM Radio Listeners who will only hear the IBOC
"Buzz" from the Urban Metros {non-locals}
-fits-the-'local'-radio-advertising-business-model-

IBOC the Future of Profitable AM Radio - imho ~ RHF

On 1/11/2012 9:11 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:

Ah, yes... yet another denial of service to rural users of the media,
just like HD(?*)TV has been. I guess if you don't live in a core city
area, you just don't count (sort of like if you're over 50).

Rural residents willingly give up certain services because the cost of
providing the services is prohibitive. No piped natural gas, often no
cable TV, often no sewers. There are workarounds at higher cost. For
radio there is satellite radio versus terrestrial radio.

Rural radio stations can provide digital service if they desire.

What's lost with digital AM is the ability to receive distant stations,
but that was never guaranteed to either the stations or the listeners.

On Thursday, January 12th, 2012, at 14:11:52h +0900, Brenda Ann wrote:

Most don't use 1080p, opting for 720p with an additional channel or two.

The "standard" for North American terrestrial transmissions is
1080i not 1080p, or as you say 720p@60.

The bandwidth of the UHF channels (6 MHz) is inadequate for 1080p@60.

A possible compromise is 1080p@30, or for movies 1080p@24
but not terrestrial TV transmissions in North America use
this mode.
See the list of official ATSC modes at

http://www.hdtvprimer.COM/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html

In Europe where the mains frequency is 50 Hz as opposed to the
North American 60 Hz, the TV norm is similarly 50 Hz, and the
equivalent resolutions are 1080p@25 and 1080p@50.

Again because there is not sufficient bandwidth for 1080p@50,
broadcasters use either 720p@50 or 1080i. The BBC on terrestrial
transmissions has started dynamically switching the transmission mode
on their BBC HD station from 1080i to 1080p@25 and back when it is
appropriate for picture content (material recorded on location
as opposed to studio content).

http://www.reghardware.COM/2011/05/23/bbc_hd_1080p/

This caused a problem for some SONY televisions.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/23/bbc-hd-quietly-begins-broadcasting-in-1080p-but-not-all-sony-hd/

A check on Wikipedia reveals that some North American stations
on satellite do broadcast 1080p@24 or 1080p@30 as appropriate.

Please note that the maximum resolution supported by BluRay
is 1080p@24, or 1080i@50 or 1080i@60, bit *not* 1080p@50 or 1080p@60.

On Jan 11, 7:29*pm, SMS wrote:

IBOC is a temporary compromise. Eventually analog will be turned off and
HD Radio will be all digital.

That will never happen.

If broadcast radio ever goes all digital, it'll be a completely
different digital system then ibiquity's crapola.

On Jan 11, 9:32*pm, Kimmi wrote:
On Jan 11, 7:29*pm, SMS wrote:



IBOC is a temporary compromise. Eventually analog will be turned off and
HD Radio will be all digital.

- That will never happen.

Oops Yes It Can 'Happen'
-follow-the-nab-&-fcc-2-decade-iboc-plan-

- If broadcast radio ever goes all digital,
- it'll be a completely different digital system
- then ibiquity's crapola.

Not for the next 1+ decades... -so- For Now
until ~2020 IBOC is what you got in the USA.

First 1% : Then 10% and At 20% the IBOC 'Digital'
Signal will in most cases be superior to the former
100% 'Analog' Signal of most FM Radio Stations in
their 'Defined' Service Areas. -game-over-

Followed by a IBOC "Digital' Signal Boost to ~40%
with the Analog Signal turned 'OFF' ~2020.
-follow-the-nab-&-fcc-2-decade-iboc-plan-

OBTW : IBOC is all about FM Radio Broadcasting
and AM/MW Radio will be on life-support or die
for the future with or with-out IBOC
-actually-ibco-will-drive-more-am/mw-radio-listeners-to-
-fm-radio-and-the-nab-&-fcc-see-that-as-a-good-thing-
*The*Future*of*Terrestrial*Radio*is*FM*Radio*

On Wednesday, January 11th, 2012, at 21:32:16h -0800, Kimmi wrote:

If broadcast radio ever goes all digital, it'll be a completely
different digital system then ibiquity's crapola.

Looking more and more like MP3 or AAC (or some future codec)
over Internet streams ...

Big businesses also favor this because it means that instead of
people listening for free to the public airwaves because they
can charge for every kilobyte received regardless of the content.

Remember, monetizing whatever was formerly available for free
is one of the central features of capitalism.

On 1/12/12 10:40 , J G Miller wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11th, 2012, at 21:32:16h -0800, Kimmi wrote:

If broadcast radio ever goes all digital, it'll be a completely
different digital system then ibiquity's crapola.

Looking more and more like MP3 or AAC (or some future codec)
over Internet streams ...

Big businesses also favor this because it means that instead of
people listening for free to the public airwaves because they
can charge for every kilobyte received regardless of the content.

Remember, monetizing whatever was formerly available for free
is one of the central features of capitalism.

Ironically, broadcasters are the most frequently guilty of attempting
not to pay for the products they use to make their money.

On 1/12/2012 8:40 AM, J G Miller wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11th, 2012, at 21:32:16h -0800, Kimmi wrote:

If broadcast radio ever goes all digital, it'll be a completely
different digital system then ibiquity's crapola.

Looking more and more like MP3 or AAC (or some future codec)
over Internet streams ...

Broadcast radio station owners are living in a dream world if they think
listeners are going to put up with commercials and use their metered
smart phone data to listen to the radio.

If people pay for each kb of data then they'll subscribe to the paid
version of a Pandora-like service.

Remember, monetizing whatever was formerly available for free
is one of the central features of capitalism.

Well to be fair, radio isn't really free, it's paid for by advertising.
Nor has wireless bandwidth been free, it was just originally "too cheap
to meter" at least for what most users were able to consume.

Broadcast radio station owners should be thrilled that most of the
wireless companies are not offering unlimited data any more, and that
the ones that are prohibit streaming. This highlights broadcast radio's
value advantage.