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October 13th 03, 05:11 AM
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I Couldn't Bow Low Enough!
Met an elderly Japanese gentleman while having brunch today. Long
story short, his family was a victim of the American war crimes, specifically the dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima. I've never felt so ashamed to be an American. I couldn't bow low enough in apology for this nation. Keke Goldfeller |
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#2
October 13th 03, 05:41 AM
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:11:28 -0500, Keke Goldfeller wrote
(in message ): Met an elderly Japanese gentleman while having brunch today. Long story short, his family was a victim of the American war crimes, specifically the dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima. I've never felt so ashamed to be an American. I couldn't bow low enough in apology for this nation. Keke Goldfeller Twit-filter invoked. not even a very good troll plonk |
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#3
October 13th 03, 08:58 AM
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Keke Goldfeller wrote:
Met an elderly Japanese gentleman while having brunch today. Long story short, his family was a victim of the American war crimes, specifically the dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima. I've never felt so ashamed to be an American. I couldn't bow low enough in apology for this nation. Keke Goldfeller Life's a bitch. They should have thought about that before they bombed the crap out of Pearl Harbor. They had delusions of grandeur even thinking they could whip our ass. Also, dropping the bomb was not a war crime. The only black mark I can see is the detainment of Japanese U.S. citizens. But if he was actually Japanese, and not a U.S. citizen, he has no real gripe there either. Heck, you might as well have bent over and let him drive you home. Sad... MK -- http://web.wt.net/~nm5k |
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#4
October 13th 03, 02:39 PM
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#5
October 13th 03, 08:18 PM
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Yup, pretty unskilled. Oh, well, at least I won't
read his drivel henceforth. "Gray Shockley" wrote: | Twit-filter invoked. | | not even a very good troll | | plonk | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/03 |
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October 13th 03, 08:41 PM
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#7
October 13th 03, 08:56 PM
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Yea right, did you ask him about the Battan Death March !!! And the
rape/imprisonment of Korean/Chinese women during the war! de Jer "Stu Gotz" wrote in message ... On 12 Oct 2003 21:11:28 -0700, (Keke Goldfeller) wrote: Met an elderly Japanese gentleman while having brunch today. Long story short, his family was a victim of the American war crimes, specifically the dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima. I've never felt so ashamed to be an American. I couldn't bow low enough in apology for this nation. Keke Goldfeller PLONK!!!!!!! |
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#8
October 14th 03, 01:04 AM
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"Somebody Somewhere" wrote in message news:bm9ub3RtZQ==.739d74c4e0e16c03d2c482960f0c7bd6 @1066088183.cotse.net... Keke Goldfeller wrote: Met an elderly Japanese gentleman while having brunch today. Long story short, his family was a victim of the American war crimes, specifically the dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima. Huh???? Oh yes, of course! I forgot that treasonous liberal swine like you always call killing an enemy that brutally attacked your country a "war crime". You're right, of course. When those slant-eyed gooks attacked us, we should have all committed suicide to spare the noble enemy the trouble and expense of killing us themselves. My, how insensitive we were! No, we shouldn't have.. we should have done most of what we did, with two exceptions. 1) We should not have imprisoned Japanese Americans on an assumption that they could possibly side with the land of their ancestors. 2) We should not have bombed hundreds of thousands of civilians into vapor. Yes, there were military targets in the area, but that does not, and cannot, excuse the deaths of so many civilians, any more than Al Qaida can be excused for the deaths at the WTC. I've never felt so ashamed to be an American. You're NOT an American. You're a loony left wing crybaby liberal parasite piece of **** who's lucky that you haven't been lynched for your treason. In the America I call home, everyone has the right to their opinion, and the right to voice it (yes, even you). I consider myself a moderate conservative, but let's get real here.. if it were not for "liberal parasites", you would not have the standard of living you enjoy today. You would be working for pennies an hour, while your boss lived high on the hog. You would have no protection against any of myriad mistreatments at the hands of police or government officials. Your wife (assuming you are male) would not be able to work. |
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#9
October 14th 03, 11:14 AM
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message n
2) We should not have bombed hundreds of thousands of civilians into vapor. Yes, there were military targets in the area, but that does not, and cannot, excuse the deaths of so many civilians, any more than Al Qaida can be excused for the deaths at the WTC. It probably could have been avoided. But the people involved blew it. "Mainly at the top". We were already close to winning the war at that point. But the mindset of the people and the military left little regard for the Japanese at that point of the war. They did have it coming, but we might have gotten carried away a bit. The people that built the bomb, never expected it to be as powerful as it was. After they tested it, many that built it didn't think it should be used. But the people that ran things at the top didn't really care, or realize just how powerful it was. All they wanted to do was get Japan to surrender. Either by bomb or a mainland strike. But due to ignoring the best advice at that time, they blew any chances of a diplomatic end to the war. Only a very few people here, really had any idea how the Japanese people thought about things. A former ambassador to Japan, knew how they thought, and gave the best suggestions to the text in the pact offered. But others altered the text to where it left the Japanese no way out but to keep fighting. At that point, protecting the emperor, who was viewed as a god, was the ONLY real concern of the Japanese in favor of ending the war. But the original pact gave the emperor no real consideration to staying in power. Why? Because they altered the text that the former ambassador proposed. If they had left the original text as is, which the former ambassador pleaded to do until the last minute, the bomb *may* well have been avoided. But I still have no overwhelming pangs of guilt myself, because #1, they started the whole mess by bombing us. Severely, I might add. #2, the Japanese did prove to be very brutal and vicious in war. They were the first to use methods that we would have considered criminal before that war. Mainly their treatment of captured solders. My grandfather fought in the Pacific on many islands, and there is no doubt they would have slit his throat for a nickel had they captured him. #3 I wasn't even born yet, and had nothing to do with it. Myself, I would have never bombed a city full of civilians if I had been president at that time. I would have found a suitable Japanese military group or base to use as an example, and to give a demonstration of the bombs power first. I would have gave them a good touch up, aimed at the right people, maybe even over the ocean nearby. But not totally destroy a city with many civilians in it. Being they were about to cave in anyway, that probably would have done the trick. I think that would have been preferable to a mainland invasion, and saved lives. Also they were very scared of Russia and that would have been a factor. But Truman did use it as he did, good or bad, and there is nothing we can do about it now. Maybe the present and future people can use it as a useful lesson, but I sort of doubt they will pay any attention. Using the bomb caused us many problems on down the road. We would have never been in an arms race with Russia, if we hadn't used the bomb. Might have never had a Korean war, because we *might* have ended the war before Russia invaded that area. "July instead of August" Russia invaded Korea in the final days of the war, if I remember right. The world would have ended up quite different. It's all armchair quarterback talk at this point nearly 60 years later...People now don't think like they did then. Even in the US. It was very patriotic to kick a Japanese's butt in those days. I doubt that many of the general population had that much of a problem with it. But of course, like now, they were kept in the dark like mushrooms. All they knew was we were finally kicking their tails into the ground, and ending the war. MK |
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#10
October 14th 03, 05:55 PM
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It's all armchair
quarterback talk at this point nearly 60 years later. Gotta agree here. While I believe wholeheartedly that the original post on this thread was a troll lookin' for noise, I've seen some interesting points and mostly decent discussion on the issue. We might want to remember that not only were we trying to impress upon the Japanese the power of the weapon, but also impress it upon the Soviets... the Cold War started a lot earlier than many think, and one of the reasons for outright use on a civilian target with no hesitation after decision was to show the Russians that we weren't in the mood for nitpicking negotiations and land grabbing deals when the war was over. Of course, that's exactly what DID happen afterwards, but that was what many in the U.S. 'up-top' were thinking at the time. I sure wish we hadn't used it quite so indiscriminately, and I wish it had never happened... but I also wish the Battan Death March hadn't happened. I wish Pearl Harbor hadn't happened. Hell, I wish the whole fiasco from Hitler to Stalin to Hirohito, Churchill and Roosevelt/Truman, had simply never happened. If we could have avoided Archduke Ferdinand's assassination, we may well would have avoided the whole of the 20th Century's biggest problems. But like you said, this far down the road, it hardly matters. Try to understand the mindset, the emotions, of an earlier, more desperate time, and then move on. Learn from their mistakes, grow from their accomplishments, make their world your own. They put the status quo into place, got some of it hugely wrong, but when has human kind ever done everything right all the time? Except me of course. :-) Linus |
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