In article ,
(RHF) wrote:

TELAMON,

So had Icom come out with an R75A and R75B model like the Drake R8A
and R8B then it would be a good radio ?

Maybe R75K

K for Kenneth I figure.

IMHO: It's the R75's Mods that personalize the radio and endears the
R75 to it's owners.

I¹m not spending hundreds of dollars on a radio that must be modified
to work as advertised.

= = = Telamon
= = = wrote in message
...
In article ,
(RHF) wrote:

BH,

Never really heard that the Icon IC-R75
has had Quality Control Problems?

Amplify on what these "QC" Problems Are - Please !

iwtk ~ RHF
.
.
= = = "Bill Hennessy"
= = = wrote in message
om...
Icom has quality control problems.
Thay work great, when thay work.

Bill, N5NOB


The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does have design
problems and is the reason people have the units modified.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

IMHO: It's the R75's Mods that personalize the radio and endears the
R75 to it's owners.
= = = Telamon
= = = wrote in message

I¹m not spending hundreds of dollars on a radio that must be modified
to work as advertised.
For example a ten-tec RX-340? This one have some flaws too and cost
$3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter does
not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise blanker not
effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B? Cost $1,495, This
one have a lot of flaws too,for example the power supply run very
hot,[a remedy is to use an external power supply],bassy sound
"virtually requieres a outboard speaker" [Passport],a cheap mechanical
encoder used to have an above -average failure rate [Why not an
optical one like in the AOR 7030+],a lot of birdies and background
hiss [from the syntetiser board and some Poor shielding and grounding
techniques ect ect ect.....My R75 cost only $450.00 with free DSP
included.It have installed 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters, Pete's
sensitivity mod,339 comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this mods
for less than $50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work better
than a R8B [and others expensive receivers] for dxing.
The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does have design
problems and is the reason people have the units modified. All receivers have design problems.

Here we go : )

"Kenneth" wrote in message
om...
IMHO: It's the R75's Mods that personalize the radio and endears the
R75 to it's owners.
= = = Telamon
= = = wrote in message

I¹m not spending hundreds of dollars on a radio that must be modified
to work as advertised.
For example a ten-tec RX-340? This one have some flaws too and cost
$3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter does
not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise blanker not
effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B? Cost $1,495, This
one have a lot of flaws too,for example the power supply run very
hot,[a remedy is to use an external power supply],bassy sound
"virtually requieres a outboard speaker" [Passport],a cheap mechanical
encoder used to have an above -average failure rate [Why not an
optical one like in the AOR 7030+],a lot of birdies and background
hiss [from the syntetiser board and some Poor shielding and grounding
techniques ect ect ect.....My R75 cost only $450.00 with free DSP
included.It have installed 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters, Pete's
sensitivity mod,339 comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this mods
for less than $50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work better
than a R8B [and others expensive receivers] for dxing.
The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does have
design
problems and is the reason people have the units modified.
All receivers have design problems.

In article ,
(Kenneth) wrote:

snip
= = = Telamon
= = = wrote in message

I¹m not spending hundreds of dollars on a radio that must be
modified to work as advertised.

The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does
have design problems and is the reason people have the units
modified.

For example a ten-tec RX-340? This one have some flaws too and cost
$3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter does
not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise blanker
not effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B? Cost $1,495,
This one have a lot of flaws too,for example the power supply run
very hot,[a remedy is to use an external power supply],bassy sound
"virtually requieres a outboard speaker" [Passport],a cheap
mechanical encoder used to have an above -average failure rate [Why
not an optical one like in the AOR 7030+],a lot of birdies and
background hiss [from the syntetiser board and some Poor shielding
and grounding techniques ect ect ect.....My R75 cost only $450.00
with free DSP included.It have installed 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters,
Pete's sensitivity mod,339 comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this
mods for less than $50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work
better than a R8B [and others expensive receivers] for dxing.

snip

The Ten Tec RX340, Drake R8B and AOR 7030 perform to their
specifications and function as expected based on the literature that
describe them. ICOM made the decision not to fix the R75 design problems
so people that want it to work right have to modify it. I consider the
R75 as described to be false advertising. Cost has nothing to do with
the issue of whether the radio performs as advertised.

I use all three radios with external bookshelf speakers or headphones
because they sound better than the internal ones. The internal speakers
are OK on all three radios.

The improvement an SE-3 would bring to the RX340 would not be worth the
money to me. I don¹t know where you got the information on static
crashes sounding worse than on other receivers. I have had no sign
spurious signals around 6 MHz either. All of the radios functions are
not available or even make sense in all modes of operation. All
functions are available and work as advertised. The noise blanker works
against some noise types and not others just like any other radio I¹ve
used.

The Drake R8B does not run hot. Warm would be the best description. I
have measured the case temperature to be just a few degrees above room,
which is perfectly normal for a unit with an internal power supply. It
is my understanding that ICOM has made several radios that you can¹t
keep your hand on however.

I¹m not going to drop $450 - $500 bucks on a radio that I need to hack
for the AGC and sync to work right and I disagree that even after doing
so the radio ³is better² than the Ten-Tec, Drake or AOR receivers that
is just your opinion not based on fact.

These days I¹m surprised someone has not sued ICOM.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote in message ...
The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does
have design problems and is the reason people have the units
modified.

For example a ten-tec RX-340? This one have some flaws too and cost
$3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter does
not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise blanker
not effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B? Cost $1,495,
This one have a lot of flaws too,for example the power supply run
very hot,[a remedy is to use an external power supply],bassy sound
"virtually requieres a outboard speaker" [Passport],a cheap
mechanical encoder used to have an above -average failure rate [Why
not an optical one like in the AOR 7030+],a lot of birdies and
background hiss [from the synthesizer board and some poor shielding
and grounding techniques ect ect ect.....My R75 cost only $450.00
with free DSP included.It have installed 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters,
Pete's sensitivity mod,339 comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this
mods for less than $50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work
better than a R8B [and others expensive receivers] for hard core dxing.



The Ten Tec RX340, Drake R8B and AOR 7030 perform to their
specifications and function as expected based on the literature that
describe them. ICOM made the decision not to fix the R75 design problems
so people that want it to work right have to modify it. I consider the
R75 as described to be false advertising. Cost has nothing to do with
the issue of whether the radio performs as advertised.
But what about companies like Ten-tec and drake .Ten tec owners are
still waiting for the RX-350 sync det fixing and others flaws
fixing[check the complains in the RX-350 yahoo group].What about the
Ten Tec flaws that you can read in passport to world band? Why they
don't fix then? An now we are talking about a $3,999 receiver.What
about Drake R8b encoders,birdies,synthesizer circuit noise ect
ect,?All companies including Icom make excuses and try to compensate
with more advertizings in shortwave radio guides.But the difference
with Icom is that they decrease the R-75 price form $1,100 to $450.00
or $525.00 and are including a free DSP but Drake and others are
increasing the price of their receiver but they are not raising the
quality standards,.
I use all three radios with external bookshelf speakers or headphones
because they sound better than the internal ones. The internal speakers
are OK on all three radios.
In the R-75 too.But I agree with you that ext speakers sound a lot
better.
The improvement an SE-3 would bring to the RX340 would not be worth the
money to me. I don¹t know where you got the information on static
crashes sounding worse than on other receivers. I have had no sign
spurious signals around 6 MHz either. I get the information from passport. All of the radios functions are
not available or even make sense in all modes of operation. All
functions are available and work as advertised. The noise blanker works
against some noise types and not others just like any other radio I¹ve
used.
I agree
The Drake R8B does not run hot. Warm would be the best description. I
have measured the case temperature to be just a few degrees above room,
which is perfectly normal for a unit with an internal power supply. It
is my understanding that ICOM has made several radios that you can¹t
keep your hand on however.
A lot of R8B owners are using an external power supply now.The
internal "international voltage transformer" and internal power supply
circuit keep generating a lot of heat even if you turn off the
receiver.[I don't read this anywhere I had a R8B sometime ago.]
I¹m not going to drop $450 - $500 bucks on a radio that I need to hack
for the AGC and sync to work right and I disagree that even after doing
so the radio ³is better² than the Ten-Tec, Drake or AOR receivers that
is just your opinion not based on fact.
That's your privilege.My oppinion is based in the fact that I tested
both receivers for months and read almost all the reviews available
but I'm not expecting that you like my facts.
These days I¹m surprised someone has not sued ICOM.
If the price increase more than $700.00 in the next months I will be
the first.

In article ,
(Kenneth) wrote:

Telamon wrote in message
.
..
The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does
have design problems and is the reason people have the units
modified.

For example a ten-tec RX-340? This one have some flaws too and
cost $3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter
does not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise
blanker not effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B?
Cost $1,495, This one have a lot of flaws too,for example the
power supply run very hot,[a remedy is to use an external power
supply],bassy sound "virtually requieres a outboard speaker"
[Passport],a cheap mechanical encoder used to have an above
-average failure rate [Why not an optical one like in the AOR
7030+],a lot of birdies and background hiss [from the synthesizer
board and some poor shielding and grounding techniques ect ect
ect.....My R75 cost only $450.00 with free DSP included.It have
installed 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters, Pete's sensitivity mod,339
comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this mods for less than
$50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work better than a
R8B [and others expensive receivers] for hard core dxing.



The Ten Tec RX340, Drake R8B and AOR 7030 perform to their
specifications and function as expected based on the literature
that describe them. ICOM made the decision not to fix the R75
design problems so people that want it to work right have to modify
it. I consider the R75 as described to be false advertising. Cost
has nothing to do with the issue of whether the radio performs as
advertised.
But what about companies like Ten-tec and drake .Ten tec owners are
still waiting for the RX-350 sync det fixing and others flaws
fixing[check the complains in the RX-350 yahoo group].What about the
Ten Tec flaws that you can read in passport to world band? Why they
don't fix then? An now we are talking about a $3,999 receiver.What
about Drake R8b encoders,birdies,synthesizer circuit noise ect
ect,?All companies including Icom make excuses and try to compensate
with more advertizings in shortwave radio guides.But the difference
with Icom is that they decrease the R-75 price form $1,100 to $450.00
or $525.00 and are including a free DSP but Drake and others are
increasing the price of their receiver but they are not raising the
quality standards,.
I use all three radios with external bookshelf speakers or
headphones because they sound better than the internal ones. The
internal speakers are OK on all three radios.
In the R-75 too.But I agree with you that ext speakers sound a lot
better.
The improvement an SE-3 would bring to the RX340 would not be worth
the money to me. I don¹t know where you got the information on
static crashes sounding worse than on other receivers. I have had
no sign spurious signals around 6 MHz either.

I get the information from passport.

All of the radios functions are
not available or even make sense in all modes of operation. All
functions are available and work as advertised. The noise blanker
works against some noise types and not others just like any other
radio I¹ve used.
I agree
The Drake R8B does not run hot. Warm would be the best description.
I have measured the case temperature to be just a few degrees above
room, which is perfectly normal for a unit with an internal power
supply. It is my understanding that ICOM has made several radios
that you can¹t keep your hand on however.
A lot of R8B owners are using an external power supply now.The
internal "international voltage transformer" and internal power
supply circuit keep generating a lot of heat even if you turn off the
receiver.[I don't read this anywhere I had a R8B sometime ago.]
I¹m not going to drop $450 - $500 bucks on a radio that I need to
hack for the AGC and sync to work right and I disagree that even
after doing so the radio ³is better² than the Ten-Tec, Drake or AOR
receivers that is just your opinion not based on fact.
That's your privilege.My oppinion is based in the fact that I tested
both receivers for months and read almost all the reviews available
but I'm not expecting that you like my facts.
These days I¹m surprised someone has not sued ICOM.
If the price increase more than $700.00 in the next months I will be
the first.

People will only value your opinion depending on how close it resembles
reality.

Don¹t worry yourself over whether I like what you post as long as it is
correct.

It is reasonable to differ over wants and needs but specifications or
facts are generally not arguable. If you misunderstand what someone has
wrote and continue to argue some point (several actually) as you have
been doing your credibility will be zero.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

I've finally realized why some people like to bottom post. It's to give
everyone a chance to test there scroll wheel.

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Kenneth) wrote:

Telamon wrote in message
.
..
The Icom R75 does not have QC problems I'm aware of. It does
have design problems and is the reason people have the units
modified.

For example a ten-tec RX-340? This one have some flaws too and
cost $3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter
does not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise
blanker not effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B?
Cost $1,495, This one have a lot of flaws too,for example the
power supply run very hot,[a remedy is to use an external power
supply],bassy sound "virtually requieres a outboard speaker"
[Passport],a cheap mechanical encoder used to have an above
-average failure rate [Why not an optical one like in the AOR
7030+],a lot of birdies and background hiss [from the synthesizer
board and some poor shielding and grounding techniques ect ect
ect.....My R75 cost only $450.00 with free DSP included.It have
installed 2.4khz,3.3khz,6khz filters, Pete's sensitivity mod,339
comparator sync mod,Phidelity mod all this mods for less than
$50.00 and not only "work as advertised" but work better than a
R8B [and others expensive receivers] for hard core dxing.



The Ten Tec RX340, Drake R8B and AOR 7030 perform to their
specifications and function as expected based on the literature
that describe them. ICOM made the decision not to fix the R75
design problems so people that want it to work right have to modify
it. I consider the R75 as described to be false advertising. Cost
has nothing to do with the issue of whether the radio performs as
advertised.
But what about companies like Ten-tec and drake .Ten tec owners are
still waiting for the RX-350 sync det fixing and others flaws
fixing[check the complains in the RX-350 yahoo group].What about the
Ten Tec flaws that you can read in passport to world band? Why they
don't fix then? An now we are talking about a $3,999 receiver.What
about Drake R8b encoders,birdies,synthesizer circuit noise ect
ect,?All companies including Icom make excuses and try to compensate
with more advertizings in shortwave radio guides.But the difference
with Icom is that they decrease the R-75 price form $1,100 to $450.00
or $525.00 and are including a free DSP but Drake and others are
increasing the price of their receiver but they are not raising the
quality standards,.
I use all three radios with external bookshelf speakers or
headphones because they sound better than the internal ones. The
internal speakers are OK on all three radios.
In the R-75 too.But I agree with you that ext speakers sound a lot
better.
The improvement an SE-3 would bring to the RX340 would not be worth
the money to me. I don¹t know where you got the information on
static crashes sounding worse than on other receivers. I have had
no sign spurious signals around 6 MHz either.

I get the information from passport.

All of the radios functions are
not available or even make sense in all modes of operation. All
functions are available and work as advertised. The noise blanker
works against some noise types and not others just like any other
radio I¹ve used.
I agree
The Drake R8B does not run hot. Warm would be the best description.
I have measured the case temperature to be just a few degrees above
room, which is perfectly normal for a unit with an internal power
supply. It is my understanding that ICOM has made several radios
that you can¹t keep your hand on however.
A lot of R8B owners are using an external power supply now.The
internal "international voltage transformer" and internal power
supply circuit keep generating a lot of heat even if you turn off the
receiver.[I don't read this anywhere I had a R8B sometime ago.]
I¹m not going to drop $450 - $500 bucks on a radio that I need to
hack for the AGC and sync to work right and I disagree that even
after doing so the radio ³is better² than the Ten-Tec, Drake or AOR
receivers that is just your opinion not based on fact.
That's your privilege.My oppinion is based in the fact that I tested
both receivers for months and read almost all the reviews available
but I'm not expecting that you like my facts.
These days I¹m surprised someone has not sued ICOM.
If the price increase more than $700.00 in the next months I will be
the first.

People will only value your opinion depending on how close it resembles
reality.

Don¹t worry yourself over whether I like what you post as long as it is
correct.

It is reasonable to differ over wants and needs but specifications or
facts are generally not arguable. If you misunderstand what someone has
wrote and continue to argue some point (several actually) as you have
been doing your credibility will be zero.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
"CW" wrote:

I've finally realized why some people like to bottom post. It's to give
everyone a chance to test there scroll wheel.

snip

You know better. Kenneth messed up the formatting and I was not going to
spend the time to fix it seeing as I¹m already talking to a brick wall
on the R75. With some care taken you would have been able to read the
flow of the conversation top to bottom is the reason.

The result of not following this convention is that other people reading
the thread will not be able to follow who said what and the conversation
between two or more people will not make sense either.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

CW,

"I've finally realized why some people like to bottom post.
It's to give everyone a chance to test there scroll wheel."

This is what the "Google Groups - Posting Style Guide" has to say.

Summarize what you are following up.
When you follow up an existing article, Google Groups includes the
full article in quotes, with the cursor at the top of the article.
Tempting though it is to just start typing your message, please STOP
and do two things first. Look at the quoted text and delete parts that
are irrelevant. Then, go to the BOTTOM of the article and start typing
there. Doing this makes it much easier for your readers to get through
your post. They'll have a reminder of the relevant text before your
comment, but won't have to re-read the entire article. And if your
reply appears on a site before the original article does, they'll get
the gist of what you're talking about.
Cite appropriate references.

There Are NO Rights - There Are NO Wrongs - Its All A Matter Of STYLE
!

Most Times I 'post' On Top.

Some Times I 'post' within "=R="

I Seldom 'post' at the Bottom.

pms ~ RHF
= = = Pardon My Style )
..
..
= = = "CW"
= = = wrote in message ...
I've finally realized why some people like to bottom post. It's to give
everyone a chance to test there scroll wheel.

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Kenneth) wrote:

Telamon wrote in message
.

..
- - - S N I P - - -
..
..

Telamon wrote in message
.

For example a ten-tec RX-340? This one have some flaws too and
cost $3,950.The sync selectable sideband lose look relatively
easily,Passport recomend an external Sherwood SE-3 [500.00],poor
dynamic range,static crashes sound harsher than on analog
receivers.Spurious signal noted around 6MHZ segment,notch filter
does not work in AM,Sync selectable sideband or ISB modes,Noise
blanker not effective ect, ect, ect,.What about a Drake R8B?
Cost $1,495, This one have a lot of flaws too,for example the
power supply run very hot,[a remedy is to use an external power
supply],bassy sound "virtually requieres a outboard speaker"
[Passport],a cheap mechanical encoder used to have an above
-average failure rate [Why not an optical one like in the AOR
7030+],a lot of birdies and background hiss [from the synthesizer
board and some poor shielding and grounding techniques ect ect
ect..... But what about companies like Ten-tec and drake .Ten tec owners are
still waiting for the RX-350 sync det fixing and others flaws
fixing[check the complains in the RX-350 yahoo group].What about the
Ten Tec flaws that you can read in passport to world band? Why they
don't fix then? An now we are talking about a $3,999 receiver.What
about Drake R8b encoders,birdies,synthesizer circuit noise ect
ect,?All companies including Icom make excuses and try to compensate
with more advertizings in shortwave radio guides.But the difference
with Icom is that they decrease the R-75 price form $1,100 to $450.00
or $525.00 and are including a free DSP but Drake and others are
increasing the price of their receiver but they are not raising the
quality standards,.

It is reasonable to differ over wants and needs but specifications or
facts are generally not arguable. If you misunderstand what someone has
wrote and continue to argue some point (several actually) as you have
been doing your credibility will be zero.
"If you have a glass roof don't throw stones to others".I did the
tests and I did the research looking for others experiences,expert
reviews,an articles and after dozens of e-mails received from others
honest drake and ten tec owners that want to fix their receivers flaws
and not hide the facts [their receivers flaws] under the rug I react
to others postings.If you check the R-75 yahoo group you will see
honest owners sharing the pro and con of the R-75 and in the process
finding the answers and solutions to their radio few problems.The myth
of the perfect receiver without any flaw was found to be false.For
example check the passport reviews and see for yourself all the ten
tec 340 flaws that they found.If for you, passport credibility is zero
thats ok with me,but if you like to go to a group like this posting
about why you don't like the Icom receiver this is your privilege but
don't begin to groan and talk about "zero credibility" if someone
point out your own receiver faults.