RCI on 9515 seems to be having troubles once again. Throwing a lot of
junk up the 31 meter band this morning.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

Hi Steve. How did you come up with that ant. on your website. It seems to
work good.
Brian

--
73 and good DXing
RX:
R-5000, SP-600 JX-6, SX-28
Ant:
100' longwire, Evesdropper Dipole

Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...
RCI on 9515 seems to be having troubles once again. Throwing a lot of
junk up the 31 meter band this morning.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

Brian Hill wrote:

Hi Steve. How did you come up with that ant. on your website. It seems to
work good.
Brian

Nothing much to the antennas, they are simply 70' and a 200' wires mounted
about 9' above the ground. I use matching transformers into coax, and the
coax is buried, then heading into the house.

The shot is from the end of the 100' wire, before I lengthened it to 200'.

They seem to work OK, and this is the type of antenna I've been using since
about 1988 or so.

I plan on putting up a inverted vee for at least the 60 meter band this
coming summer.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


Brian Hill wrote:

Hi Steve. How did you come up with that ant. on your website. It seems
to
work good.
Brian

Nothing much to the antennas, they are simply 70' and a 200' wires mounted
about 9' above the ground. I use matching transformers into coax, and the
coax is buried, then heading into the house.

The shot is from the end of the 100' wire, before I lengthened it to 200'.

They seem to work OK, and this is the type of antenna I've been using
since
about 1988 or so.

I plan on putting up a inverted vee for at least the 60 meter band this
coming summer.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Easy to maintain not being way up in the air. I like Vs. I had two out in CA
on my dads ranch when I was a kid. They were big. I used a tall eucalyptus
tree. To tie them from and it worked great.
--
73 and good DXing
RX:
R-5000, SP-600 JX-6, SX-28
Ant:
100' longwire, Evesdropper Dipole

Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/

N8KDV,

Other then the fact that these two Antennas are basically
a "Low Noise Design" (LND) Random Wire Antenna:
GoTo= http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/pics.htm
* Wire Antenna Element (AE)
* Matching Transformer (MT)
* Grounding Point 'located' at the AE & MT Junction
* Coax Cable Lead-in-Line


QUESTION #1: How would you further Sub-Catagorize your Antennas ?

Seventy Foot LND Antenna:
[ ] Just-a-Basic 70 Ft. Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] Ground Effect {NVIS} 70 Ft. and Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] 20 Meter Band and above Long Wire Antenna that incorporates
the Low Noise Design Antenna Concepts of John Doty
GoTo= http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html

Two Hundred Foot LND Antenna:
[ ] Just-a-Basic 200 Ft. Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] Ground Effect {NVIS} 200 Ft. and Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] 60 Meter Band and above Long Wire Antenna that incorporates
the Low Noise Design Antenna Concepts of John Doty
GoTo= http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html


QUESTION #2: Do you still 'offer' For Sale your
"N8KDV" Ten-to-One (10:1) Matching Transformer ?
GoTo= http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/xfmr.htm


iane ~ RHF
..
..
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antennas and AM & FM Antennas eGroup at YAHOO !
GoTo= http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWL-AM-FM-Antenna/
..
..
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...

Brian Hill wrote:

Hi Steve. How did you come up with that ant. on your website.
It seems to work good.
Brian

Nothing much to the antennas, they are simply 70' and a 200'
wires mounted about 9' above the ground.

I use matching transformers into coax, and the coax is buried,
then heading into the house.

The shot is from the end of the 100' wire, before I lengthened
it to 200'.

They seem to work OK, and this is the type of antenna I've been
using since about 1988 or so.

I plan on putting up a inverted vee for at least the 60 meter
band this coming summer.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

..

I don't take quizzes! And I only offer the matching transformer on a very
limited basis. Perhaps one a year, probably less.

RHF wrote:

N8KDV,

Other then the fact that these two Antennas are basically
a "Low Noise Design" (LND) Random Wire Antenna:
GoTo= http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/pics.htm
* Wire Antenna Element (AE)
* Matching Transformer (MT)
* Grounding Point 'located' at the AE & MT Junction
* Coax Cable Lead-in-Line

QUESTION #1: How would you further Sub-Catagorize your Antennas ?

Seventy Foot LND Antenna:
[ ] Just-a-Basic 70 Ft. Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] Ground Effect {NVIS} 70 Ft. and Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] 20 Meter Band and above Long Wire Antenna that incorporates
the Low Noise Design Antenna Concepts of John Doty
GoTo= http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html

Two Hundred Foot LND Antenna:
[ ] Just-a-Basic 200 Ft. Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] Ground Effect {NVIS} 200 Ft. and Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] 60 Meter Band and above Long Wire Antenna that incorporates
the Low Noise Design Antenna Concepts of John Doty
GoTo= http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html


QUESTION #2: Do you still 'offer' For Sale your
"N8KDV" Ten-to-One (10:1) Matching Transformer ?
GoTo= http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/xfmr.htm

iane ~ RHF
.
.
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antennas and AM & FM Antennas eGroup at YAHOO !
GoTo= http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWL-AM-FM-Antenna/
.
.
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...

Brian Hill wrote:

Hi Steve. How did you come up with that ant. on your website.
It seems to work good.
Brian

Nothing much to the antennas, they are simply 70' and a 200'
wires mounted about 9' above the ground.

I use matching transformers into coax, and the coax is buried,
then heading into the house.

The shot is from the end of the 100' wire, before I lengthened
it to 200'.

They seem to work OK, and this is the type of antenna I've been
using since about 1988 or so.

I plan on putting up a inverted vee for at least the 60 meter
band this coming summer.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

.

RHF wrote:

N8KDV,

Other then the fact that these two Antennas are basically
a "Low Noise Design" (LND) Random Wire Antenna:
GoTo= http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/pics.htm
* Wire Antenna Element (AE)
* Matching Transformer (MT)
* Grounding Point 'located' at the AE & MT Junction
* Coax Cable Lead-in-Line

QUESTION #1: How would you further Sub-Catagorize your Antennas ?

Seventy Foot LND Antenna:
[ ] Just-a-Basic 70 Ft. Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] Ground Effect {NVIS} 70 Ft. and Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] 20 Meter Band and above Long Wire Antenna that incorporates
the Low Noise Design Antenna Concepts of John Doty
GoTo=

Went back and re-read this and figured I had a question. What makes you think
this is a 20 meter and above antenna? Also, I'm afraid to point out that the
design pre-dates the John Doty concept. (as far as I know).

http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html

Two Hundred Foot LND Antenna:
[ ] Just-a-Basic 200 Ft. Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] Ground Effect {NVIS} 200 Ft. and Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] 60 Meter Band and above Long Wire Antenna that incorporates
the Low Noise Design Antenna Concepts of John Doty
GoTo=

Works good below 60 meters too, also on MW, as does the 70', see also my
design concept note above.

I thank John Bryant and Nick Hall-Patch for publishing the matching
transformer concept, and the general antenna design in the 1988 issue of
Proceedings, put out by the Fine Tuning radio group.

http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html


QUESTION #2: Do you still 'offer' For Sale your
"N8KDV" Ten-to-One (10:1) Matching Transformer ?
GoTo= http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/xfmr.htm

iane ~ RHF
.
.
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antennas and AM & FM Antennas eGroup at YAHOO !
GoTo= http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWL-AM-FM-Antenna/
.
.
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...

Brian Hill wrote:

Hi Steve. How did you come up with that ant. on your website.
It seems to work good.
Brian

Nothing much to the antennas, they are simply 70' and a 200'
wires mounted about 9' above the ground.

I use matching transformers into coax, and the coax is buried,
then heading into the house.

The shot is from the end of the 100' wire, before I lengthened
it to 200'.

They seem to work OK, and this is the type of antenna I've been
using since about 1988 or so.

I plan on putting up a inverted vee for at least the 60 meter
band this coming summer.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

.

N8KDV,

If my formatting caused some offence, I apologize.
(It was not intended to be a quiz.)

What I was seeking was any 'insight' that you have gained by
using these two "Low Noise" Random Wire Antennas.

Plus any unique directional and/or non-directional properties
these two "Low Noise" Random Wire Antennas 'exhibit' over the
Frequency Range from 500 kHz to 30 MHz.
(Medium Wave to Shortwave)

Also, I do not know how to describe these two "Low Noise"
Random Wire Antennas.

* They are not High UP in the Air.

* They are not Laying ON the Ground.

* They are actually not NEAR the Ground.

I would say that they are best described as an On-the-Fence Antenna:
Without the Fence, and if the Fence was a High 9 Ft. Tall Fence.)
[TALL CORN] -or- [STEP LADDER HIGH] -or- [ELEPHANT'S EYE]

? Did you try these Antennas at a lower height before settling on 9 Ft ?

? WHY - Nine Feet High ?


=R= (My Reply) See additional Comments that are 'inserted'
in to the body of your prior Message.


iane ~ RHF
= = = I Ain't No Elmer
(I am simply trying to Learn about SWL Antennas and Share the Knowledge.)
..
..
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...
RHF wrote:

N8KDV,

Other then the fact that these two Antennas are basically
a "Low Noise Design" (LND) Random Wire Antenna:
GoTo= http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/pics.htm
* Wire Antenna Element (AE)
* Matching Transformer (MT)
* Grounding Point 'located' at the AE & MT Junction
* Coax Cable Lead-in-Line

QUESTION #1: How would you further Sub-Catagorize your Antennas ?

Seventy Foot LND Antenna:
[ ] Just-a-Basic 70 Ft. Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] Ground Effect {NVIS} 70 Ft. and Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] 20 Meter Band and above Long Wire Antenna that incorporates
the Low Noise Design Antenna Concepts of John Doty
GoTo=


=R= My Assumptions A At about 20 Meters the 70 Ft. length would
be about One Wave Length long. I would seem to me that due to the
low height of this Antenna; it would be non-directional below 20
Meters. Then above 20 Meters this Antenna would be greater then
one wave length and might show some specific directional properties.

? Can you Comment and Share what your actual use of this 70 Ft.
Low Noise Random Wire Antenna has shown your ?


Went back and re-read this and figured I had a question.
What makes you think this is a 20 meter and above antenna?
Also, I'm afraid to point out that the design pre-dates the
John Doty concept. (as far as I know).


=R= Like Henry Ford and the Wright Brothers, it often who ends up
popularizing the item or concept that gets the headlines & credit;
and not necessarily the individuals who contribute to the creative
ideals and hard work that were the basis of the concept.
(Live is not always fair.)


http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html

Two Hundred Foot LND Antenna:
[ ] Just-a-Basic 200 Ft. Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] Ground Effect {NVIS} 200 Ft. and Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] 60 Meter Band and above Long Wire Antenna that incorporates
the Low Noise Design Antenna Concepts of John Doty
GoTo=


=R= My Assumptions A At about 60 Meters the 200 Ft. length would
be about One Wave Length long. I would seem to me that due to the
low height of this Antenna; it would be non-directional below 60
Meters. Then above 60 Meters this Antenna would be greater then
one wave length and might show some specific directional properties.

? Can you Comment and Share what your actual use of this 70 Ft.
Low Noise Random Wire Antenna has shown your ?


Works good below 60 meters too, also on MW, as does the 70',
see also my design concept note above.

I thank John Bryant and Nick Hall-Patch for publishing the matching
transformer concept, and the general antenna design in the 1988
issue of Proceedings, put out by the Fine Tuning radio group.


=R= Something to remember.


http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html


QUESTION #2: Do you still 'offer' For Sale your
"N8KDV" Ten-to-One (10:1) Matching Transformer ?
GoTo= http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/xfmr.htm

iane ~ RHF
.
.
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antennas and AM & FM Antennas eGroup at YAHOO !
GoTo= http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWL-AM-FM-Antenna/
.
.
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...

Brian Hill wrote:

Hi Steve. How did you come up with that ant. on your website.
It seems to work good.
Brian

Nothing much to the antennas, they are simply 70' and a 200'
wires mounted about 9' above the ground.

I use matching transformers into coax, and the coax is buried,
then heading into the house.

The shot is from the end of the 100' wire, before I lengthened
it to 200'.

They seem to work OK, and this is the type of antenna I've been
using since about 1988 or so.

I plan on putting up a inverted vee for at least the 60 meter
band this coming summer.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



..

RHF wrote:

N8KDV,

If my formatting caused some offence, I apologize.
(It was not intended to be a quiz.)

What I was seeking was any 'insight' that you have gained by
using these two "Low Noise" Random Wire Antennas.

Can't really say, they just 'work', so I've stuck with the concept.



Plus any unique directional and/or non-directional properties
these two "Low Noise" Random Wire Antennas 'exhibit' over the
Frequency Range from 500 kHz to 30 MHz.
(Medium Wave to Shortwave)

The 70' wire doesn't exhibit to much directionality on SW, but the 200' does.
Ideally, I'd have several up, in different compass directions.

We do have a site up about 100 miles from here with 6 antennas, ranging from
about 350' to 700', spread about the compass. All of them with matching
transformers, and the coax buried. Alas, I rarely get up there. I should go this
week, whilst DX season is still on!



Also, I do not know how to describe these two "Low Noise"
Random Wire Antennas.

* They are not High UP in the Air.

* They are not Laying ON the Ground.

* They are actually not NEAR the Ground.

I would say that they are best described as an On-the-Fence Antenna:
Without the Fence, and if the Fence was a High 9 Ft. Tall Fence.)
[TALL CORN] -or- [STEP LADDER HIGH] -or- [ELEPHANT'S EYE]

? Did you try these Antennas at a lower height before settling on 9 Ft ?

? WHY - Nine Feet High ?

Well, I was able to get some 4" x 4" x 12' pieces of treated lumber, I sunk them
3' into the ground, and I wound up with 9' sticking out. That's my story, and I'm
sticking to it!



=R= (My Reply) See additional Comments that are 'inserted'
in to the body of your prior Message.

iane ~ RHF
= = = I Ain't No Elmer
(I am simply trying to Learn about SWL Antennas and Share the Knowledge.)
.
.
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...
RHF wrote:

N8KDV,

Other then the fact that these two Antennas are basically
a "Low Noise Design" (LND) Random Wire Antenna:
GoTo= http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/pics.htm
* Wire Antenna Element (AE)
* Matching Transformer (MT)
* Grounding Point 'located' at the AE & MT Junction
* Coax Cable Lead-in-Line

QUESTION #1: How would you further Sub-Catagorize your Antennas ?

Seventy Foot LND Antenna:
[ ] Just-a-Basic 70 Ft. Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] Ground Effect {NVIS} 70 Ft. and Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] 20 Meter Band and above Long Wire Antenna that incorporates
the Low Noise Design Antenna Concepts of John Doty
GoTo=


=R= My Assumptions A At about 20 Meters the 70 Ft. length would
be about One Wave Length long. I would seem to me that due to the
low height of this Antenna; it would be non-directional below 20
Meters. Then above 20 Meters this Antenna would be greater then
one wave length and might show some specific directional properties.

? Can you Comment and Share what your actual use of this 70 Ft.
Low Noise Random Wire Antenna has shown your ?


Went back and re-read this and figured I had a question.
What makes you think this is a 20 meter and above antenna?
Also, I'm afraid to point out that the design pre-dates the
John Doty concept. (as far as I know).


=R= Like Henry Ford and the Wright Brothers, it often who ends up
popularizing the item or concept that gets the headlines & credit;
and not necessarily the individuals who contribute to the creative
ideals and hard work that were the basis of the concept.
(Live is not always fair.)


http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html

Two Hundred Foot LND Antenna:
[ ] Just-a-Basic 200 Ft. Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] Ground Effect {NVIS} 200 Ft. and Low Noise Design Random Wire Antenna
[ ] 60 Meter Band and above Long Wire Antenna that incorporates
the Low Noise Design Antenna Concepts of John Doty
GoTo=


=R= My Assumptions A At about 60 Meters the 200 Ft. length would
be about One Wave Length long. I would seem to me that due to the
low height of this Antenna; it would be non-directional below 60
Meters. Then above 60 Meters this Antenna would be greater then
one wave length and might show some specific directional properties.

? Can you Comment and Share what your actual use of this 70 Ft.
Low Noise Random Wire Antenna has shown your ?


Works good below 60 meters too, also on MW, as does the 70',
see also my design concept note above.

I thank John Bryant and Nick Hall-Patch for publishing the matching
transformer concept, and the general antenna design in the 1988
issue of Proceedings, put out by the Fine Tuning radio group.


=R= Something to remember.


http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html


QUESTION #2: Do you still 'offer' For Sale your
"N8KDV" Ten-to-One (10:1) Matching Transformer ?
GoTo= http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/xfmr.htm

iane ~ RHF
.
.
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antennas and AM & FM Antennas eGroup at YAHOO !
GoTo= http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWL-AM-FM-Antenna/
.
.
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...

Brian Hill wrote:

Hi Steve. How did you come up with that ant. on your website.
It seems to work good.
Brian

Nothing much to the antennas, they are simply 70' and a 200'
wires mounted about 9' above the ground.

I use matching transformers into coax, and the coax is buried,
then heading into the house.

The shot is from the end of the 100' wire, before I lengthened
it to 200'.

They seem to work OK, and this is the type of antenna I've been
using since about 1988 or so.

I plan on putting up a inverted vee for at least the 60 meter
band this coming summer.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



.

"N8KDV" wrote in message

Can't really say, they just 'work', so I've stuck with the concept.


Thats kinda my approch also to ant. building. I try to get as much wire up
as I can and I usully run one North & South and the other East and West.
Right now I got enough room to run 100' longwire N&S and the Evesdropper is
East and West. It works ok. Someday I'll have a Beverage and a Rhombic
Wake up Brian!!!


--
73 and good DXing
RX:
R-5000, SP-600 JX-6, SX-28
Ant:
100' longwire, Evesdropper Dipole

Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/