On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:32:06 GMT, B Banton wrote:


Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:


I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

Funny, I never said a word about China or NFTA

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:31:28 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:32:06 GMT, B Banton wrote:


Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:


I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

Funny, I never said a word about China or NFTA

No - You just contribute to it's dismal failure.

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 05:11:10 GMT, B Banton wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:31:28 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:32:06 GMT, B Banton wrote:


Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:


I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

Funny, I never said a word about China or NFTA

No - You just contribute to it's dismal failure.

Just wondering where you think YB400,DX398 and the Sony 7600GR are
made. None of them are made in the US. If you can name a portable
shortwave receiver made in the US, I for one would like to know what
it is.

B Banton wrote:

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

Just where do you think a lot of the portables are made?



On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:

I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

BB,

NAFTA is NAFTA -&- China is China

The two largest suppliers of Natural Resoreces to the USofA are
Canada and Mexico.

Hint: We buy more of the Natural Gas and Oil that the USofA uses
from Canada and Mexico, then from the Arabs / Middle East [.]

The Largest BUYER in the World of American Made Goods is Mexico [.]

The Largest BUYER per Capita of American Made Goods is Canada [.]

From the 1950s to 1990s the USofA Transitioned from a Manufacturing
Economy to a Service Economy. In the 1990s NAFTA "Made Sense" for
a USofA that had become a Service Economy.

Don't Blame Presidents: Bush-Clinton-Bush for NAFTA.

Blame the Congresses from the 1950s to Today - Who Passed or
Didn't Pass Laws that Benefited the Re-Investment of Capital
into the American Manufacturing Business Sector and the
Re-Training of Americans for the Jobs with a Future.

During the LBJ Great Society - Job Training Program the US
Government PAID people to Learn to become Barbers and Shoe Repairmen.
Unfortunately the US Government 'trained' Five Times the Number
of Barbers needed and Eleven Times the Number of Shoe Repairmen
that would ever be required.

Require Business to PAY the Prevailing Wage with Benefits for All
Imported Work VISA Workers. Or Pay a 100% Tax Equal to Any Savings
that is 'dedicated' for US Worker Retraining. Give US Workers and
Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any Work VISA Applications
in US Courts.

Require Business to Pay 33% Tax for Five Years on Any and All
Savings from the Out-Sourcing Jobs to OverSeas/Foreign Countries.
This is a 'dedicated' Tax to Used to Fund US Worker Retraining.
Give US Workers and Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any
Out-Sourcing of Jobs in US Courts.

When AMERICANS Work - America WORKS.

It Ain't 'the president(s)' - IT'S CONGRESS !

Some People May Label Me a 'republican'.
I Say I Am An "AMERICAN" - First and Foremost [.]

ssi... ~ RHF
= = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts !
..
..
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...
B Banton wrote:

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

Just where do you think a lot of the portables are made?



On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:

I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

RHF - Your formatting sux so you're in the plonk bucket. Told you a
million damn times. See - everyone tellsyou - everyone hates it - but
you don't stop. So - you are borderline crazy and the border is damn
close. You just don't see it. And that's even more proof - so

``````````````poof`$%^&#())))_++++

Muhahahahahhahahahahhahahahah...

On 28 Feb 2004 12:05:06 -0800, (RHF)
wrote:

BB,

NAFTA is NAFTA -&- China is China

The two largest suppliers of Natural Resoreces to the USofA are
Canada and Mexico.

Hint: We buy more of the Natural Gas and Oil that the USofA uses
from Canada and Mexico, then from the Arabs / Middle East [.]

The Largest BUYER in the World of American Made Goods is Mexico [.]

The Largest BUYER per Capita of American Made Goods is Canada [.]

From the 1950s to 1990s the USofA Transitioned from a Manufacturing
Economy to a Service Economy. In the 1990s NAFTA "Made Sense" for
a USofA that had become a Service Economy.

Don't Blame Presidents: Bush-Clinton-Bush for NAFTA.

Blame the Congresses from the 1950s to Today - Who Passed or
Didn't Pass Laws that Benefited the Re-Investment of Capital
into the American Manufacturing Business Sector and the
Re-Training of Americans for the Jobs with a Future.

During the LBJ Great Society - Job Training Program the US
Government PAID people to Learn to become Barbers and Shoe Repairmen.
Unfortunately the US Government 'trained' Five Times the Number
of Barbers needed and Eleven Times the Number of Shoe Repairmen
that would ever be required.

Require Business to PAY the Prevailing Wage with Benefits for All
Imported Work VISA Workers. Or Pay a 100% Tax Equal to Any Savings
that is 'dedicated' for US Worker Retraining. Give US Workers and
Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any Work VISA Applications
in US Courts.

Require Business to Pay 33% Tax for Five Years on Any and All
Savings from the Out-Sourcing Jobs to OverSeas/Foreign Countries.
This is a 'dedicated' Tax to Used to Fund US Worker Retraining.
Give US Workers and Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any
Out-Sourcing of Jobs in US Courts.

When AMERICANS Work - America WORKS.

It Ain't 'the president(s)' - IT'S CONGRESS !

Some People May Label Me a 'republican'.
I Say I Am An "AMERICAN" - First and Foremost [.]

ssi... ~ RHF
= = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts !
.
.
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...
B Banton wrote:

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

Just where do you think a lot of the portables are made?



On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:

I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

"B Banton" wrote in message
...

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!


It's our rich industrialists in collaboration with our governments (US,
Canada, and others) that have been pushing free, globalized free trade over
the objections of the public for years now, and they were all falling over
each other trying to get an advantage over every other western country in
trade with China. I always thought it was a bad idea, but since that's what
"they" want, I'll be darned if I won't take advantage of it now to get more
for less, now that China is producing good stuff at ridiculously-low prices.
It's a vicious cycle.

Pierre

Yes but people in poorer countries can now afford things like radios
and bicycles because they're made in china. $20 vs. $100 US is a big
difference in affordability when you make two dollars US a day. I
saw some fairly decent $30 bicycles in a carrefour market in Shanghai.
Because they're $30 and not $100 a lot more people in Asia, Africa,
Latin America can afford one. That people in countries like the US
are buying it too is to our advantage. If we didn't they could still
sell it there and we'd pay many more times for the same utility.

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:20:29 -0500, "Pierre L"
wrote:


"B Banton" wrote in message
.. .

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!


It's our rich industrialists in collaboration with our governments (US,
Canada, and others) that have been pushing free, globalized free trade over
the objections of the public for years now, and they were all falling over
each other trying to get an advantage over every other western country in
trade with China. I always thought it was a bad idea, but since that's what
"they" want, I'll be darned if I won't take advantage of it now to get more
for less, now that China is producing good stuff at ridiculously-low prices.
It's a vicious cycle.

Pierre

Altawaowr wrote:

Yes but people in poorer countries can now afford things like radios
and bicycles because they're made in china. $20 vs. $100 US is a big
difference in affordability when you make two dollars US a day. I
saw some fairly decent $30 bicycles in a carrefour market in Shanghai.
Because they're $30 and not $100 a lot more people in Asia, Africa,
Latin America can afford one. That people in countries like the US
are buying it too is to our advantage. If we didn't they could still
sell it there and we'd pay many more times for the same utility.

Most Chinese bicycles are one gear, just two sprocket wheels and a
chain. I never did get the point of having 21 different gear settings on
a bike that will be used only in a city (unless your city is San
Francisco ). I guess American bike makers do that to extract more
money from customers. Also, I should note that before the era of
transistors most of the world's people couldn't afford a radio, much
less a TV or a satellite dish. America was an anomaly with a radio in
every room-average people in Nazi Germany or Japan could barely afford
one tabletop set built worse than the average American table radio.
Using transistors eliminated the need for the craftsman skills that went
into building tube models, so the radios could be produced in Asia
(first Japan, then China) for much less than in America. This trend has
hit all industry in America-for example, once a way to standardize beef
production was invented, the skilled butchers at the slaughterhouses
were fired and the jobs given to unskilled Mexicans working for much
less. The end result is that skilled, highly paid manual laborers have
been thrown out of work, reducing the size of the middle class.


On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:20:29 -0500, "Pierre L"
wrote:


"B Banton" wrote in message
.. .

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!


It's our rich industrialists in collaboration with our governments (US,
Canada, and others) that have been pushing free, globalized free trade over
the objections of the public for years now, and they were all falling over
each other trying to get an advantage over every other western country in
trade with China. I always thought it was a bad idea, but since that's what
"they" want, I'll be darned if I won't take advantage of it now to get more
for less, now that China is producing good stuff at ridiculously-low prices.
It's a vicious cycle.

Pierre