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#31
February 28th 04, 02:28 PM
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 05:11:10 GMT, B Banton wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:31:28 GMT, Robert Beck wrote: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:32:06 GMT, B Banton wrote: Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!! On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck wrote: I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ). I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going. Funny, I never said a word about China or NFTA No - You just contribute to it's dismal failure. Just wondering where you think YB400,DX398 and the Sony 7600GR are made. None of them are made in the US. If you can name a portable shortwave receiver made in the US, I for one would like to know what it is. |
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#32
February 28th 04, 02:33 PM
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B Banton wrote: Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!! Just where do you think a lot of the portables are made? On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck wrote: I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ). I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going. |
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#33
February 28th 04, 06:16 PM
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Yes but people in poorer countries can now afford things like radios
and bicycles because they're made in china. $20 vs. $100 US is a big difference in affordability when you make two dollars US a day. I saw some fairly decent $30 bicycles in a carrefour market in Shanghai. Because they're $30 and not $100 a lot more people in Asia, Africa, Latin America can afford one. That people in countries like the US are buying it too is to our advantage. If we didn't they could still sell it there and we'd pay many more times for the same utility. On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:20:29 -0500, "Pierre L" wrote: "B Banton" wrote in message .. . Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!! It's our rich industrialists in collaboration with our governments (US, Canada, and others) that have been pushing free, globalized free trade over the objections of the public for years now, and they were all falling over each other trying to get an advantage over every other western country in trade with China. I always thought it was a bad idea, but since that's what "they" want, I'll be darned if I won't take advantage of it now to get more for less, now that China is producing good stuff at ridiculously-low prices. It's a vicious cycle. Pierre |
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#34
February 28th 04, 08:05 PM
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BB,
NAFTA is NAFTA -&- China is China The two largest suppliers of Natural Resoreces to the USofA are Canada and Mexico. Hint: We buy more of the Natural Gas and Oil that the USofA uses from Canada and Mexico, then from the Arabs / Middle East [.] The Largest BUYER in the World of American Made Goods is Mexico [.] The Largest BUYER per Capita of American Made Goods is Canada [.] From the 1950s to 1990s the USofA Transitioned from a Manufacturing Economy to a Service Economy. In the 1990s NAFTA "Made Sense" for a USofA that had become a Service Economy. Don't Blame Presidents: Bush-Clinton-Bush for NAFTA. Blame the Congresses from the 1950s to Today - Who Passed or Didn't Pass Laws that Benefited the Re-Investment of Capital into the American Manufacturing Business Sector and the Re-Training of Americans for the Jobs with a Future. During the LBJ Great Society - Job Training Program the US Government PAID people to Learn to become Barbers and Shoe Repairmen. Unfortunately the US Government 'trained' Five Times the Number of Barbers needed and Eleven Times the Number of Shoe Repairmen that would ever be required. Require Business to PAY the Prevailing Wage with Benefits for All Imported Work VISA Workers. Or Pay a 100% Tax Equal to Any Savings that is 'dedicated' for US Worker Retraining. Give US Workers and Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any Work VISA Applications in US Courts. Require Business to Pay 33% Tax for Five Years on Any and All Savings from the Out-Sourcing Jobs to OverSeas/Foreign Countries. This is a 'dedicated' Tax to Used to Fund US Worker Retraining. Give US Workers and Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any Out-Sourcing of Jobs in US Courts. When AMERICANS Work - America WORKS. It Ain't 'the president(s)' - IT'S CONGRESS ! Some People May Label Me a 'republican'. I Say I Am An "AMERICAN" - First and Foremost [.] ssi... ~ RHF = = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts ! .. .. = = = N8KDV = = = wrote in message ... B Banton wrote: Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!! Just where do you think a lot of the portables are made? On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck wrote: I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ). I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going. |
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#35
February 28th 04, 11:04 PM
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Altawaowr wrote:
Yes but people in poorer countries can now afford things like radios and bicycles because they're made in china. $20 vs. $100 US is a big difference in affordability when you make two dollars US a day. I saw some fairly decent $30 bicycles in a carrefour market in Shanghai. Because they're $30 and not $100 a lot more people in Asia, Africa, Latin America can afford one. That people in countries like the US are buying it too is to our advantage. If we didn't they could still sell it there and we'd pay many more times for the same utility. Most Chinese bicycles are one gear, just two sprocket wheels and a chain. I never did get the point of having 21 different gear settings on a bike that will be used only in a city (unless your city is San Francisco  ). I guess American bike makers do that to extract moremoney from customers. Also, I should note that before the era of transistors most of the world's people couldn't afford a radio, much less a TV or a satellite dish. America was an anomaly with a radio in every room-average people in Nazi Germany or Japan could barely afford one tabletop set built worse than the average American table radio. Using transistors eliminated the need for the craftsman skills that went into building tube models, so the radios could be produced in Asia (first Japan, then China) for much less than in America. This trend has hit all industry in America-for example, once a way to standardize beef production was invented, the skilled butchers at the slaughterhouses were fired and the jobs given to unskilled Mexicans working for much less. The end result is that skilled, highly paid manual laborers have been thrown out of work, reducing the size of the middle class. On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:20:29 -0500, "Pierre L" wrote: "B Banton" wrote in message .. . Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!! It's our rich industrialists in collaboration with our governments (US, Canada, and others) that have been pushing free, globalized free trade over the objections of the public for years now, and they were all falling over each other trying to get an advantage over every other western country in trade with China. I always thought it was a bad idea, but since that's what "they" want, I'll be darned if I won't take advantage of it now to get more for less, now that China is producing good stuff at ridiculously-low prices. It's a vicious cycle. Pierre |
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#36
February 28th 04, 11:11 PM
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Just changing the topic for the hell of it.
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#38
February 29th 04, 01:30 AM
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the skilled butchers at the slaughterhouses
were fired and the jobs given to unskilled Mexicans working for much less. The end result is that skilled, highly paid manual laborers have been thrown out of work, reducing the size of the middle class. - Please note: - This " firing of skilled workers" also reduces the size of the US pool of " taxable Workers" needed to support "The Government"; Sholls, Hospitals, Street repair, Police, Firemen, etc. And with " The Miracle Of Offshoring" - ANYONE sitting at a desk can have his / Her job " Offshored " - Leaving us with an army of unemployed Professionals; And little else.. |
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#39
February 29th 04, 06:55 AM
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BB,
Why Thank You. plonk, Plonk. PLONK ! Away  )You Can't Defend Your Ideas - So You Attack the Messenger. Translation You Lose - I Win [.] ~ RHF .. .. = = = B Banton = = = wrote in message . .. RHF - Your formatting sux so you're in the plonk bucket. Told you a million damn times. See - everyone tellsyou - everyone hates it - but you don't stop. So - you are borderline crazy and the border is damn close. You just don't see it. And that's even more proof - so ``````````````poof`$%^&#())))_++++ Muhahahahahhahahahahhahahahah... On 28 Feb 2004 12:05:06 -0800, (RHF) wrote: BB, NAFTA is NAFTA -&- China is China The two largest suppliers of Natural Resoreces to the USofA are Canada and Mexico. Hint: We buy more of the Natural Gas and Oil that the USofA uses from Canada and Mexico, then from the Arabs / Middle East [.] The Largest BUYER in the World of American Made Goods is Mexico [.] The Largest BUYER per Capita of American Made Goods is Canada [.] From the 1950s to 1990s the USofA Transitioned from a Manufacturing Economy to a Service Economy. In the 1990s NAFTA "Made Sense" for a USofA that had become a Service Economy. Don't Blame Presidents: Bush-Clinton-Bush for NAFTA. Blame the Congresses from the 1950s to Today - Who Passed or Didn't Pass Laws that Benefited the Re-Investment of Capital into the American Manufacturing Business Sector and the Re-Training of Americans for the Jobs with a Future. During the LBJ Great Society - Job Training Program the US Government PAID people to Learn to become Barbers and Shoe Repairmen. Unfortunately the US Government 'trained' Five Times the Number of Barbers needed and Eleven Times the Number of Shoe Repairmen that would ever be required. Require Business to PAY the Prevailing Wage with Benefits for All Imported Work VISA Workers. Or Pay a 100% Tax Equal to Any Savings that is 'dedicated' for US Worker Retraining. Give US Workers and Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any Work VISA Applications in US Courts. Require Business to Pay 33% Tax for Five Years on Any and All Savings from the Out-Sourcing Jobs to OverSeas/Foreign Countries. This is a 'dedicated' Tax to Used to Fund US Worker Retraining. Give US Workers and Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any Out-Sourcing of Jobs in US Courts. When AMERICANS Work - America WORKS. It Ain't 'the president(s)' - IT'S CONGRESS ! Some People May Label Me a 'republican'. I Say I Am An "AMERICAN" - First and Foremost [.] ssi... ~ RHF = = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts ! . . = = = N8KDV = = = wrote in message ... B Banton wrote: Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!! Just where do you think a lot of the portables are made? On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck wrote: I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ). I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going. |
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#40
February 29th 04, 05:12 PM
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Well actually, most of the flashy multi-geared road and mountain bicycles
you see out there today have frames made in China, even though they are not Chinese makes. This has been going on since the early 1990's. As for the rationale behind having multiple gears, if you ride any further than your corner convenience store, it quickly becomes apparent - although I agree that 21 is more then plenty. A headwind is much the same as a hill, and when you're riding a bike for any distance, you quickly find out that things aren't as flat as they appear to be in a car. The purpose of multiple speeds isn't only to be able to ride uphill, but also to be able to choose gears so that the rider can maintain the same cadence, no matter what the terrain or wind. The thing with cheaper third world production is that, a great many Americans and other westerners wouldn't today be able to afford all the electronic and other consumer goods they buy, including the computers used to read this newsgroup, fancy digital cameras, mobile phones, etc. What's the alternative? Tariffs? Who will buy the more expensive goods then? There's only so much money around to be spent. Pierre "tommyknocker" wrote in message Most Chinese bicycles are one gear, just two sprocket wheels and a chain. I never did get the point of having 21 different gear settings on a bike that will be used only in a city (unless your city is San Francisco ). I guess American bike makers do that to extract moremoney from customers. Also, I should note that before the era of transistors most of the world's people couldn't afford a radio, much less a TV or a satellite dish. America was an anomaly with a radio in every room-average people in Nazi Germany or Japan could barely afford one tabletop set built worse than the average American table radio. Using transistors eliminated the need for the craftsman skills that went into building tube models, so the radios could be produced in Asia (first Japan, then China) for much less than in America. This trend has hit all industry in America-for example, once a way to standardize beef production was invented, the skilled butchers at the slaughterhouses were fired and the jobs given to unskilled Mexicans working for much less. The end result is that skilled, highly paid manual laborers have been thrown out of work, reducing the size of the middle class. |
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