"CW" wrote in message ...
No, you both missed. An Atheist is one who does not believe in gods.

No, YOU missed, CW, as did RHF. You were right up until the following
point:

"Anyone that believes in a god, no matter what the name of that god, is not an
Atheist."

I checked all eight of my dictionaries, consulted thesauri and
books on word origins in English, and no mention was made of that
last sentence. Not *one* of them mentioned anything along the
lines of "Anyone that (sic) believes in a god, no matter what the name of
that god (sic), is not an Atheist." If you can back up that statement
with FACT, I'll bite. If not, your pseudologic is far too fishy for me.

Please cite sources.

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, MN

\A"the*ist\, n. [Gr. ? without god; 'a priv. + ? god: cf. F. ath['e]iste.]
1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme
intelligent Being.

"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" spewed crap as usual

"CW" wrote:

| \A"the*ist\, n. [Gr. ? without god; 'a priv. + ? god: cf. F. ath['e]iste.]
| 1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme
| intelligent Being.

Fair 'nuff....but are you calling the Gulag - keepers
"supreme intelligent Beings?"

(grinning)

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, MN

(Welllll, okay, maybe their masters....)


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"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote in message
om...
(RHF) wrote in message
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CW,

"No, you both missed. An Atheist is one who does not believe in gods."

Yes - That is True.

No, it is not.

Re - read what was written:

RedOctober90 quoth:

" I stay atheist... you never hear about
" atheists mass slaughtering people over some "god".

My reply merely pointed out that hardcore Marxist-Leninist
governments were secular humanist in nature, which is to
say that they were, as a part of their official policy,
"atheists," and RedOctober90 is, therefore, in precisely
the same company from which he was desperately attempting
to distance himself, and that these governments, while in
fact officially atheistic, managed to "mass slaughter"
their best and brightest.

Now, don't put words into my mouth, damnit. I was attempting
to merely point out that, while RO90 was busy thumping his
chest, his brain was gleefully asleep, inasmuch as he could
not see the hypocrisy in his words.

How could you have missed that one, guys?

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, Minnesota

I didn't, Steve, but having made my point by agreeing with that post, then
seeing the next post completely misunderstand the entire concept, I didn't
think it worth my time to reply. I'm glad you did, though.

The most fascinating thing I see in "Atheists" is that they have made a
faith-based decision at least as profound as those that believe in God.
They're saying "I'm absolutely positive that there is no God, my mind is
made up."

I can understand the "Agnostic" argument much more readily -- "I haven't
seen enough evidence to believe in a God." But the atheist's belief that
they are absolutely certain that there is not a God is (whether they admit
it or not) a faith-based decision.

-- Stinger

"Stinger" wrote

| The most fascinating thing I see in "Atheists" is that they have made a
| faith-based decision at least as profound as those that believe in God.
| They're saying "I'm absolutely positive that there is no God, my mind is
| made up."

When witnessing the wonders I can find in nature, even in
my own backyard, I have to ask myself how anyone can
make such a leap of faith.

As I pointed out to a relative who claimed to be an Atheist (this was
years ago; he's managed to recover of late)....

"If you (an unbeliver) are right and I (a beliver) am wrong, you've got
nothing to lose by believing."

However, if I (a beliver) am right and you (an unbeliever) am wrong,
you've got EVERYTHING to lose by not believing."

I often think about the Ten Commandments monuments being torn
down by unbelievers. If we struck the first one (I the Lord am your
God, you will have no other gods before me), *just which one* of
those commandments do folks find objectionable? Thou shalt not
kill? Thou shalt not covet?

I don't believe a monument hurts anyone - not even a monument to
Islam, Buddhism, etc. etc.

I wake up some mornings and wonder what will become of us as a
nation, but I've still got hope.

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, MN


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= = = ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote in message
= = = ...

From: (RHF)

Today - That has Far More Opportunities
for African-Americans then the 1950s.
. . . but Racism in Amerca Still Exists [.]

MWB - "My White Brother" Stand Aside - - The Leaders at the Head
of the Parade for Improved Social and Economic Conditions for
Black-Folks have to "BE" Black-Folks.

MWB - Now It Is Time "My White Brother"
. . . for You To Take Your Seat At the Back-O-Da-Bus [.]

MWB - Your "WHITE ARROGANCE" is Showing Once Again:


For too long the vestiges of racism have lingered.

That is true, but the operative word is 'vestiges'. It may take
serveal more generations to reduce these 'vestiges' but in the
end people are people and some racism will always exist. Quite
frankly MWB, the way that you continue to shove 'racist america'
and 'white privilage' into peoples faces, just causes an "Adverse
Reaction" amoung "White-Folks" and does nothing to actually build
bridges between the Races.
LIKE HELLO - MWB You are Part of the Problem.

The next step is for whites to stand up, with blacks,

MWB - wrong, Wrong. WRONG - The ONLY Step is for Black-Folks to
Lead the 'continued' Fight for Civil Rights and Equally.
White-Folks can be supportive and should remain in the background.


and call out those attitudes and prejudices that still relegate
a substantial minority to a level of inferiority vis-a-vis that
which is accorded other whites simply by the privilege of being
born white.

MWB - A 'revolution' simply causes an equally Adverse Reaction.

Now is the 'time' for several generations of "Evolution" in Race
Relations here in the USofA.


1. Allow Black-Folks to Represent Themselves.
[ It Is Their Right - Paid For With Their Blood. ]

2. Allow Black-Folks to Speak for Themselves.
[ It Is Their Right - Paid For With Their Blood. ]

3. Allow Black-Folks to Stand-Up for Themselves.
[ It Is Their Right - Paid For With Their Blood. ]

Their sacrifices have been noble enough for us to all stand
together in mutual respect and [mutually] demand for
"equality for all."

MWB - Who Are You To DEMAND Anything In The Name of Black-Folks.

MWB - Are You Black ? (African-American)

MWB - Do You Claim To Be Black ? (African-American)


4. Allow Black-Folks to be a Family, a Community, a Nation
that is about Black-Folks: Not MWB's Vision for Black-Folks.
[ It Is Their Right - Paid For With Their Blood. ]]

The family should not be defined by color or heritage.

MWB - The 'family' (any family) should be "Defined" by the Members
of that FAMILY.

MWB - Please 'allow' Black-Folks to Constitute, that which is, the
"Black-Family".

MWB - The Black-Family should NOT be Required to 'fit' MWB's
definition of "What A Family Is".

Until we can embrace other ethnicities into our extended family
as equals,

MWB - This is in the end a 'decision' of "Each Individual Family"
and such changes with take several generations, to come about
natually with the passing of the 'old ones'.

separate communities will spur animosities that spill
over into racist actions, on both sides.

MWB - Alas, that is the 'nature' of Human Kind.
We are all lease than perfect.

I'm glad you admit that racism still exists in America.

Can the Black man ever really win that battle if whites won't
join the battle for what is right?

MWB - The General and The Officers in this Battle 'need to be'
Black [.] Whites if they choose can be the foot solders,
and honor the Justness of the Cause by simply serving as such.

Think about it, RHF. In between designing new keyboard graphics.

MWB - "My White Brother" [Think About It]
MWB - Your "WHITE ARROGANCE" is Showing Once Again:
MWB - Being an African-American (just plain Black-Folks)
is NOT and Intellectual Process. Being the 'common' everyday
"Person of Color" in the USofA is about the "Living" abd "Being".


5. Simply 'allow' Black-Folks to "BE" Themselves.
[ It Is Their Right - Paid For With Their Blood. ]


But they are not allowed to be themselves.

MWB - Well NOT as Defined by You.

MWB - Honestly Black-Folks do NOT need another
"My White Brother !" Representing Them.
.
.
My contributions to this thread have ended.


MWB - May Be So... -&- May Be Not !

MWB - Only Time Will Tell . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
.
.
As usual, I find your reasoning disgusting, RHF.

MWB - "My White Brother" You Surrender So Soon ?
. . . so You Can't Handle the Logic and Discourse ?
.
.
It seems that we don't have enough in common
to hold a civil conversation.

MWB - Have I Ever Called You A Name ? "NOT"
. . . most people would say that I have been Most Civil with You.
I Remain Standing - I Remain Ready - Rasism Still Exist In America.
.
.
And reading your posts hurts my eyes.

MWB - Such and Oh So "Cute" Remark

- Can't Deal with the Logic !



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= For I Remain... RHF.

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= = = Robert Beck wrote in message
= = = . ..

Spain is about to prove that a terror attack can get countries
to act as you wish. Thanks Spain

..

FO&A,

A New Domino Theory - by - al-Qaeda
http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=3652
Tom Williams has translated an article by Yassin Musharbash
that says that in December, 2003, in an Arabic language handbook.

jtf ~ RHF

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 04:57:03 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

I read and listen to news outlets I don't agree with along
with one's I do.

Say what?

"T Breslin" wrote in message
...

We should deal with the terrorists. They'll just keep fighting.
Let's see what they want. Nothing else has worked.

"T Breslin,"

Don't pick your nose.
..
..
..
..
Your head will collapse.

-- Stinger

T Breslin wrote:

We should deal with the terrorists. They'll just keep fighting.
Let's see what they want. Nothing else has worked.

They want you dead. That'll work for them...

Tell ya what, you go talk 'pretty' to 'em.

Make a will before you go.

Have your family let me know when the funeral is.