= = = "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"reasonable doubt" wrote in message
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ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly
contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working
toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access
by 2007.

Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot
Act
II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill
that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by
widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a
population
as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter
after
all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their
flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells
them
to.


Broadband doesn't always mean BPL. You are getting confused here.
Broadband can be via cable modem such as I just signed up for or even via a
wireless system. Do not assume that the term Broadband, when used alone,
means BPL (Broadband over Power Line).

I saw the news clip and BPL was not mentioned, only Broadband.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


DDF,

Liberal-Left Propaganga is NOT what Bush actually said.

But the Subject HeadLine "Bush Backs Broadband"
and the Twisting of the Message to "Bush Backs PBL"

~ RHF

..

RHF wrote:

= = = "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
= = = ...

"reasonable doubt" wrote in message
v.net...

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly
contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working
toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access
by 2007.

Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot

Act

II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill
that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by
widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a

population

as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter

after

all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their
flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells

them

to.


Broadband doesn't always mean BPL. You are getting confused here.
Broadband can be via cable modem such as I just signed up for or even via a
wireless system. Do not assume that the term Broadband, when used alone,
means BPL (Broadband over Power Line).

I saw the news clip and BPL was not mentioned, only Broadband.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



DDF,

Liberal-Left Propaganga is NOT what Bush actually said.

But the Subject HeadLine "Bush Backs Broadband"
and the Twisting of the Message to "Bush Backs PBL"

Since you invoked the "L" word, it is kind of strange that the methods
of implementing the "universal access called for in the speech:

"We ought to have universal, affordable access to broadband technology
by the year 2007," Bush said in a speech focusing mostly on homeownership.
"And then we ought to make sure that as soon as possible thereafter
consumers
have plenty of choices..."

Assuming that we would have to expand the cable tv broadband system -
and if there is to be universal access, this would almost certainly mean
changing cable data service to a public utility. Remember that cable is
at present NOT a Public utility, it cannot be forced to run it's lines
where it doesn't see a profit.

Supplying broadband to everyone in the country is a project similar to
the electrification of rural America.

And right now, there are certainly *not* plenty of choices. So it is
left up to the listener to determine how the number of choices will be
expanded.

So to me it is a very liberal idea to even attempt universal broadband
access, and since not many other choices are available for increasing
the number of choices, it by default includes BPL.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
RHF wrote:

= = = "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
= = = ...

"reasonable doubt" wrote in message
v.net...

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly
contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working
toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access
by 2007.

Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot

Act

II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol
Hill
that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by
widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a

population

as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter

after

all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their
flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells

them

to.


Broadband doesn't always mean BPL. You are getting confused here.
Broadband can be via cable modem such as I just signed up for or even
via a
wireless system. Do not assume that the term Broadband, when used
alone,
means BPL (Broadband over Power Line).

I saw the news clip and BPL was not mentioned, only Broadband.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



DDF,

Liberal-Left Propaganga is NOT what Bush actually said.

But the Subject HeadLine "Bush Backs Broadband"
and the Twisting of the Message to "Bush Backs PBL"

Since you invoked the "L" word, it is kind of strange that the methods
of implementing the "universal access called for in the speech:

"We ought to have universal, affordable access to broadband technology
by the year 2007," Bush said in a speech focusing mostly on
homeownership.
"And then we ought to make sure that as soon as possible thereafter
consumers
have plenty of choices..."

Assuming that we would have to expand the cable tv broadband system -
and if there is to be universal access, this would almost certainly mean
changing cable data service to a public utility. Remember that cable is
at present NOT a Public utility, it cannot be forced to run it's lines
where it doesn't see a profit.

Supplying broadband to everyone in the country is a project similar to
the electrification of rural America.


And most of the electrification of rural America was NOT done by the
utilities. The rural residents themselves banded together and got the lines
run. Once the lines were in place, then the public "futility" was happy to
take over as the major expense had already been covered by someone else.

And right now, there are certainly *not* plenty of choices. So it is
left up to the listener to determine how the number of choices will be
expanded.

So to me it is a very liberal idea to even attempt universal broadband
access, and since not many other choices are available for increasing
the number of choices, it by default includes BPL.

- Mike KB3EIA -

The universal access with multiple choices means very heavy investment as
now that could be construed to mean that BPL, DSL, cable, and WI-FI all need
set up in our rural areas to provide those choices. Guess what! Ain't
gonna happen.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee D. Flint wrote:




And most of the electrification of rural America was NOT done by the
utilities. The rural residents themselves banded together and got the lines
run. Once the lines were in place, then the public "futility" was happy to
take over as the major expense had already been covered by someone else.

Most of the electrification of rural America was accomplished via the
Rural Electrification Authority aka REA. There had to be so many houses
per mile to justify the cost of running the lines and you had to be
within a certain distance of the right-of-way to get service or pay for
the cost of the line to be run to your residence.

Dee D. Flint wrote:

snippage

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message

So to me it is a very liberal idea to even attempt universal broadband
access, and since not many other choices are available for increasing
the number of choices, it by default includes BPL.

- Mike KB3EIA -


The universal access with multiple choices means very heavy investment as
now that could be construed to mean that BPL, DSL, cable, and WI-FI all need
set up in our rural areas to provide those choices. Guess what! Ain't
gonna happen.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Isn't that the truth!

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...

The universal access with multiple choices means very heavy investment as
now that could be construed to mean that BPL, DSL, cable, and WI-FI all
need
set up in our rural areas to provide those choices. Guess what! Ain't
gonna happen.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee, correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there available direct satellite
internet available? As long as one has an unobstructed view to the
Southwestern sky? (I subscribe to Direct TV - but use DSL as it only costs
me $29.95 per month). I think it runs $49.95 per month (the same as DSL
costs in Sun City, Florida). As far as broadband over powerline, we all
know it isn't going to happen in rural areas. I'm really curious about
those broadcasters with deep pockets and what will happen to channel 2 and 3
television. Of course, analog tv is on its' way out which will probably
save BPLs real quick demise .... maybe.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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The universal access with multiple choices means very heavy investment
as
now that could be construed to mean that BPL, DSL, cable, and WI-FI all
need
set up in our rural areas to provide those choices. Guess what! Ain't
gonna happen.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee, correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there available direct satellite
internet available? As long as one has an unobstructed view to the
Southwestern sky? (I subscribe to Direct TV - but use DSL as it only
costs
me $29.95 per month). I think it runs $49.95 per month (the same as DSL
costs in Sun City, Florida). As far as broadband over powerline, we all
know it isn't going to happen in rural areas. I'm really curious about
those broadcasters with deep pockets and what will happen to channel 2 and
3
television. Of course, analog tv is on its' way out which will probably
save BPLs real quick demise .... maybe.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


I imagine it is available in some areas. However I was attempting to make
the point that it will not be economically feasible to provide the same wide
variety of choices to a rural area as a metropolitan area. A rural area
will be more limited in the internet access choices to pick from.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
:


"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...

The universal access with multiple choices means very heavy
investment as now that could be construed to mean that BPL, DSL,
cable, and WI-FI all need set up in our rural areas to provide those
choices. Guess what! Ain't gonna happen.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee, correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there available direct satellite
internet available? As long as one has an unobstructed view to the
Southwestern sky? (I subscribe to Direct TV - but use DSL as it only
costs me $29.95 per month). I think it runs $49.95 per month (the
same as DSL costs in Sun City, Florida). As far as broadband over
powerline, we all know it isn't going to happen in rural areas. I'm
really curious about those broadcasters with deep pockets and what
will happen to channel 2 and 3 television. Of course, analog tv is on
its' way out which will probably save BPLs real quick demise ....
maybe.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


I imagine it is available in some areas. However I was attempting to
make the point that it will not be economically feasible to provide the
same wide variety of choices to a rural area as a metropolitan area. A
rural area will be more limited in the internet access choices to pick
from.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



The cheapest satellite Internet access in the US is Starband, which is
$40/mo for 768k speed. However, the combined cost of equipment and setup is
$600!!! This is why I still have dialup, no other broadband being
available. It is possible to find the equipment used (some people sell it
when they get DSL or cable in their area), but the setup fee is still $240.
That's not a typo, it's $240 for setup, not $24.

In my case I think both DSL and cable are available on the other side of
the street! One friend suggested I should get Wi-Fi and link into one of my
neighbours, paying a cut towards their broadband bill. He knows someone
who linked their house with their business premises by Wi-Fi, but says they
lose the connection when it rains!

BPL is set to cost only about as much as DSL and maybe nothing to install.
Some people would go for it just because they don't have a spare 600 bucks
to buy and set up a satellite system. I would almost be tempted if it
wasn't for ham radio. Cable Internet is $55/mo here. That includes $15/mo
for basic cable TV, whether you want it or not. DSL is $35/mo. I am sure
that some people would try BPL instead, as it doesn't need extra wires or
Wi-Fi.

73 de Alun, N3KIP