In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer"
writes:

For
instance, if not for liberals, women would still not have the vote, blacks
would still be slaves, and you would be working in a sweatshop for $1 an
hour.

- and NO weekends off
No Health Insurance,
No education for children,
child labor,
No equal opportunity
No rewarding honest, hard work with a living wage
No freedom from government interference in our private lives

No separation of Church and State to preserve the freedom to pursue our beliefs

In article ,
says...
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David wrote:

Monday March 29, 11:22 am ET
XM and Progress Media Further Political Discourse Through Humor,
Insight and Intelligent New Voices


WASHINGTON and NEW YORK, March 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- XM
Satellite Radio (Nasdaq: XMSR - News), the pioneer and leader in
satellite radio, on Wednesday, March 31, debuts XM America Left,
Channel 167, a new talk radio channel dedicated to progressive
political viewpoints. New channel XM America
Left complements XM's other talk programming which features more
conservative on-air talent, including Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity,
Michael Savage and Ann Coulter.

"We are excited to provide a national audience to progressive
superstar Al Franken and his spirited cohorts at Air America.
Challenging our listeners, and giving them the best and broadest
choices possible is our daily mission at XM. Where else are you going
to find Al Franken and Bill O'Reilly, or opera and punk for that
matter, living under one roof," said Hugh Panero, XM President and
CEO.



PROGRESSIVE MY ARSE!

THERE'S a disturbing idea...

Liberals dont have the COURAGE to ADMIT they are LIBERALS. They use the
PC word "progressive" in it's place because they dont have the GUTS (or
intellect)to argue (with reason instead of name-calling) their true
position on ANYTHING

Yodar

I actually tuned in to this today via streaming audio. Twice.

The first time, three of the commentators were complaining about
Bush. The second time, a female interviewer was talking to Ralph
Nadar and trying to get him to admit he'd thrown the election to
Bush in 2000, and a second campaign this year might do the same
thing. She was, of course, making no headway...

I'll say this.

If I didn't hit two exceptionally dull segments, or the channel
doesn't improve fast, it's doomed because it's incredibly
BORING!!!



FW

FW,

"a female interviewer was talking to Ralph Nadar and trying to
get him to admit he'd thrown the election to Bush in 2000,"

ONE MORE DEMOCRAT LIE:

Ralph Nader was NOT the difference (Numerically) in any state
between Bush and Gore when you subtract out Pat Buchanan.
[ The Negatives (RN) balanced out the Pluses (PB). ]

However, Pat Buchanan DID 'make' the "Difference Numerically"
in three states.
[ To put them in the Gore (Won) Column and the Bush (Lost) Box. ]

Just the Facts ~ RHF
..
..
= = = (Frank White) wrote in message
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I actually tuned in to this today via streaming audio. Twice.

The first time, three of the commentators were complaining about
Bush. The second time, a female interviewer was talking to Ralph
Nadar and trying to get him to admit he'd thrown the election to
Bush in 2000, and a second campaign this year might do the same
thing. She was, of course, making no headway...

I'll say this.

If I didn't hit two exceptionally dull segments, or the channel
doesn't improve fast, it's doomed because it's incredibly
BORING!!!



FW

"RHF" wrote in message
m...
FW,

"a female interviewer was talking to Ralph Nadar and trying to
get him to admit he'd thrown the election to Bush in 2000,"

ONE MORE DEMOCRAT LIE:

Ralph Nader was NOT the difference (Numerically) in any state
between Bush and Gore when you subtract out Pat Buchanan.
[ The Negatives (RN) balanced out the Pluses (PB). ]

However, Pat Buchanan DID 'make' the "Difference Numerically"
in three states.
[ To put them in the Gore (Won) Column and the Bush (Lost) Box. ]

Just the Facts ~ RHF

Sorry RHF--Nader got about 97,000 votes in Florida, Buchanan about
17,000. Gotta be fair.

= = = "T. Early" wrote in message
= = = ...
"RHF" wrote in message
m...
FW,

"a female interviewer was talking to Ralph Nadar and trying to
get him to admit he'd thrown the election to Bush in 2000,"

ONE MORE DEMOCRAT LIE:

Ralph Nader was NOT the difference (Numerically) in any state
between Bush and Gore when you subtract out Pat Buchanan.
[ The Negatives (RN) balanced out the Pluses (PB). ]

However, Pat Buchanan DID 'make' the "Difference Numerically"
in three states.
[ To put them in the Gore (Won) Column and the Bush (Lost) Box. ]

Just the Facts ~ RHF

Sorry RHF--Nader got about 97,000 votes in Florida, Buchanan about
17,000. Gotta be fair.

TE,

I was not talking about Florida

Bush = 2,912,790
Gore = 2,912,253
DELTA = 537
Buchanan = 17,484
Had Pat Buchanan not been in
the 2000 Presidential Election
Florida would have went for BUSH - Big Time !
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2000/2000presge.htm


I was talking about these four states where Pat Buchanan
did in-fact cost GW Bush "The WIN" in those States:

* IOWA = Seven (7) Electoral Votes
Gore = 638,517
Bush = 634,373
DELTA = 4,144
Buchanan = 5,731
Had Pat Buchanan not been in
the 2000 Presidential Election
IOWA would have went for BUSH.

* NEW MEXICO = Five (5) Electoral Votes
Gore = 286,783
Bush = 286,417
DELTA = 366
Buchanan = 1,392
Had Pat Buchanan not been in
the 2000 Presidential Election
New Mexico would have went for BUSH.

* OREGON = Seven (7) Electoral Votes
Gore = 720,342
Bush = 713,577
DELTA = 6,765
Buchanan = 7,063
Had Pat Buchanan not been in
the 2000 Presidential Election
Oregon would have went for BUSH.

* WISCONSIN = Eleven (11) Electoral Votes
Gore = 1,242,987
Bush = 1,237,279
DELTA = 5,708
Buchanan 11,471
Had Pat Buchanan not been in
the 2000 Presidential Election
Oregon would have went for BUSH.


A "Total" of Thirty (30) Electoral Votes for GW Bush )


jtf ~ RHF

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"YODAR" wrote in message
. com...


PROGRESSIVE MY ARSE!

Liberals dont have the COURAGE to ADMIT they are LIBERALS. They use the
PC word "progressive" in it's place because they dont have the GUTS (or
intellect)to argue (with reason instead of name-calling) their true
position on ANYTHING

Yodar


I think the term "progressive" is appropriate. The progressive movement
formed sometime around the end of the 19th century and the progressives
favored the use of do-gooder government to enforce their ideas of social
justice and equality.

Liberals, at least in the 18th and 19th century sense are similar to modern
libertarianians.

I like the return of the distinction between liberals and progressives, and
I hope the distinction becomes even clearer.

I'd be even more pleased if old fashioned liberalism came back as a potent
political force in the US.

Frank Dresser

I said ''Liberal''

The word has been turned into a put-down by the neofascists. Mr.
Franken intends to reclaim it. He uses it himself without hesitation.


On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 00:53:47 GMT, YODAR wrote:



PROGRESSIVE MY ARSE!

Liberals dont have the COURAGE to ADMIT they are LIBERALS. They use the
PC word "progressive" in it's place because they dont have the GUTS (or
intellect)to argue (with reason instead of name-calling) their true
position on ANYTHING

Yodar

]
David wrote:

Monday March 29, 11:22 am ET
XM and Progress Media Further Political Discourse Through Humor,
Insight and Intelligent New Voices


WASHINGTON and NEW YORK, March 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- XM
Satellite Radio (Nasdaq: XMSR - News), the pioneer and leader in
satellite radio, on Wednesday, March 31, debuts XM America Left,
Channel 167, a new talk radio channel dedicated to progressive
political viewpoints. New channel XM America
Left complements XM's other talk programming which features more
conservative on-air talent, including Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity,
Michael Savage and Ann Coulter.

"We are excited to provide a national audience to progressive
superstar Al Franken and his spirited cohorts at Air America.
Challenging our listeners, and giving them the best and broadest
choices possible is our daily mission at XM. Where else are you going
to find Al Franken and Bill O'Reilly, or opera and punk for that
matter, living under one roof," said Hugh Panero, XM President and
CEO.

"David" wrote in message
...
I said ''Liberal''

The word has been turned into a put-down by the neofascists. Mr.
Franken intends to reclaim it. He uses it himself without
hesitation.



Nice try, Franken-phile. Hollywood Al isn't reclaiming anything--he
is your standard left-wing, one-note, Bush-bashing -modern day-
liberal who has no clue what classical "liberalism" used to be about.
He may use the term "without hesitation," but, like most things he
says without hesitation, he's wrong. The word has been turned into a
put-down very justifiably because so many of today's liberals are so
clueless about the heritage of their alleged political philosophy, as
they are about the history of pretty much everything.

''Classical liberalism'' is an oxymoron.

Al Franken is a New Yorker.

Today's ''liberals'' are truer to their heritage than the nutjobs
running around today falsely claiming to be ''conservatives''.

On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:07:51 -0500, "T. Early"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
I said ''Liberal''

The word has been turned into a put-down by the neofascists. Mr.
Franken intends to reclaim it. He uses it himself without
hesitation.



Nice try, Franken-phile. Hollywood Al isn't reclaiming anything--he
is your standard left-wing, one-note, Bush-bashing -modern day-
liberal who has no clue what classical "liberalism" used to be about.
He may use the term "without hesitation," but, like most things he
says without hesitation, he's wrong. The word has been turned into a
put-down very justifiably because so many of today's liberals are so
clueless about the heritage of their alleged political philosophy, as
they are about the history of pretty much everything.

David wrote:
''Classical liberalism'' is an oxymoron.

Al Franken is a New Yorker.


Actually he's a Minnesotan.

Today's ''liberals'' are truer to their heritage than the nutjobs
running around today falsely claiming to be ''conservatives''.


Not only the nutjobs. I don't see how
a police-statist like John Ashcroft fits into
any traditional notion of conservatism.