Volker Tonn wrote:

John Barnard schrieb:

There are a number of spoilers that schedule information can't accomodate.
Propagation, receiver differences, antenna differences, local noise etc.,
etc. can render even the most up-to-date schedule information as seemingly
useless. In other words, without knowing everything that Jay tried, the
information was useful.


So where is a VOA transmission directed(!) to NE-america?
There is NONE. So what chance would be to get VOA there?

Plenty of chances. Do you know how to DX? Simply because a transmission is not
specifically directed to a certain target area does not mean it cannot be heard.

starman wrote:

John Doty wrote:

Shortwave has pretty much disappeared from this newsgroup. Nearly all
posts are by closed-minded ideologues berating each other. The best way
I know of to identify a fool is that fools like to argue with people
they consider to be fools.

In answer to your original question, many international broadcasters,
including the VOA, have judged that they get better coverage of their
intended audiences via FM, satellite, and internet broadcasting, at
least in the more developed countries. It has gotten much more difficult
to pick up international shortwave in North America because of this. So
it becomes much more of a research problem: understanding propagation,
look for a broadcast intended for somewhere else that might make it to
your location. I can't give you specifics because I haven't done the
research for the VOA, and in any case, it depends on what part of the
country you live in. It often depends on things like transmitter antenna
sidelobes. It's generally impractical to obtain this information, so you
just have to try a bunch of frequencies to see what you can get. A good
antenna is a must.

-jpd

Hey John, where have you been hiding? I miss your contributions here.
I'm still trying to keep things on topic but it's getting really trying.
You can see what happened just with this thread. I feel sorry for the
OP.

I gave him the schedule just as you did... what's the problem... did you help
anymore?

Volker Tonn wrote:

T. Early schrieb:


Yet another expert with a built in lie detector enabling him to
distinguish between various types of propaganda and the "truth."
Needless to say, "propaganda" is coverage that doesn't suit his
preconceptions, while he finds "truth" in the recently discredited
BBC because the reporting has more in common with his "America-BAD"

You're basically right. But you have to listen to find out what's going
wrong.

Tell me, Volker, just what is it that makes you so much
smarter than us "stupid" U.S. citizens?


I KNOW that even the german government is lying all the way. The
difference is: in first place I do not believe anything our government
says, and I basically do NOT support our government.
Too many americans are following their government like blind sheeps :-(
It's not far away from taking it religous.
Ar least our (german) radiostations are independent from government.
Although they go wrong on some facts too. But they are smart enough to
to clear it up.

Got a question for you. Is the former RIAS transmitter in Berlin still
active on shortwave?

N8KDV schrieb:


Got a question for you. Is the former RIAS transmitter in Berlin still
active on shortwave?


The RIAS went off the air in 1990 or so soon after reunion of both parts
of germany. I don`know if they were active on shortwave. I went into
shortwave in the late 90's.
I know that they wer running a medium wave transmitter. The transmitter
site was used for several years after the RIAS went off air by other
stations until the site was closed in mid 90's. They caused too much
interference as the site was located in the city of Berlin.
As you might know the RIAS was controlled by the (western) allied.
Berlin also was not really under german government at that time. All
laws had to go through allied agreeing then.

Volker Tonn wrote:

N8KDV schrieb:

Got a question for you. Is the former RIAS transmitter in Berlin still
active on shortwave?


The RIAS went off the air in 1990 or so soon after reunion of both parts
of germany. I don`know if they were active on shortwave.

They were on 6005, perhaps other frequencies. I have a RIAS QSL from 1984
for the 6005 frequency.

I went into
shortwave in the late 90's.
I know that they wer running a medium wave transmitter. The transmitter
site was used for several years after the RIAS went off air by other
stations until the site was closed in mid 90's. They caused too much
interference as the site was located in the city of Berlin.
As you might know the RIAS was controlled by the (western) allied.
Berlin also was not really under german government at that time. All
laws had to go through allied agreeing then.

Maybe you could look into it further to see if they are on shortwave. I
think they may have merged with another station/network?

Volker Tonn wrote:

N8KDV schrieb:


Got a question for you. Is the former RIAS transmitter in Berlin still
active on shortwave?


The RIAS went off the air in 1990 or so soon after reunion of both parts
of germany. I don`know if they were active on shortwave. I went into
shortwave in the late 90's.
I know that they wer running a medium wave transmitter. The transmitter
site was used for several years after the RIAS went off air by other
stations until the site was closed in mid 90's. They caused too much
interference as the site was located in the city of Berlin.
As you might know the RIAS was controlled by the (western) allied.
Berlin also was not really under german government at that time. All
laws had to go through allied agreeing then.

Perhaps you still remember Checkpoint Charlie... I visited Berlin in the
late 70's. It was interesting seeing some of the places I had heard about
over the years.

A lot of history there, both very old, and of course more current.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

N8KDV wrote:

Volker Tonn wrote:

N8KDV schrieb:

Got a question for you. Is the former RIAS transmitter in Berlin still
active on shortwave?


The RIAS went off the air in 1990 or so soon after reunion of both parts
of germany. I don`know if they were active on shortwave.

They were on 6005, perhaps other frequencies. I have a RIAS QSL from 1984
for the 6005 frequency.

I went into
shortwave in the late 90's.
I know that they wer running a medium wave transmitter. The transmitter
site was used for several years after the RIAS went off air by other
stations until the site was closed in mid 90's. They caused too much
interference as the site was located in the city of Berlin.
As you might know the RIAS was controlled by the (western) allied.
Berlin also was not really under german government at that time. All
laws had to go through allied agreeing then.

Maybe you could look into it further to see if they are on shortwave. I
think they may have merged with another station/network?

I re-read what you said and that may indeed be the case that the transmitter
site in Berlin proper may now be off.

Time flies! I thought that it may still have been on, though under a different
name.

So, I guess there are no SW transmitter on then from what would be considered
West Berlin in days past?

That's a shame as another NASWA country is then off shortwave.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

N8KDV schrieb:


So where is a VOA transmission directed(!) to NE-america?
There is NONE. So what chance would be to get VOA there?


Plenty of chances. Do you know how to DX? Simply because a transmission is not
specifically directed to a certain target area does not mean it cannot be heard.

I don't know where the VOA has transmitter sites for SW as they are out
of my interest. So in NE america it might not be that easy to receive
their transmissions all the way down?
At least the originate poster seems to have some difficulties to get
them. So the 'naked' schedule is not much of help in this case.
He maybe has to be on the "right" frequency at the "right" time?

Volker Tonn wrote:

N8KDV schrieb:


So where is a VOA transmission directed(!) to NE-america?
There is NONE. So what chance would be to get VOA there?


Plenty of chances. Do you know how to DX? Simply because a transmission is not
specifically directed to a certain target area does not mean it cannot be heard.

I don't know where the VOA has transmitter sites for SW as they are out
of my interest. So in NE america it might not be that easy to receive
their transmissions all the way down?
At least the originate poster seems to have some difficulties to get
them. So the 'naked' schedule is not much of help in this case.
He maybe has to be on the "right" frequency at the "right" time?

Well, yes, being on the right frequency at the right time is essential for receiving
SW broadcasts.

And as long as one has the 'naked' schedule at least they know where to look.

Is there another way of doing it? If so, please let me know.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

So what if VOA doesn't broadcast directly to North America!?! I can hear VOA
regularly in my part of Canada and I can tell you that my location in North
America isn't a target area for most shortwave stations. Radio Australia doesn't
broadcast to North America yet plenty of shortwave listeners in North America do
hear the station. Shortwave transmissions don't halt at their target areas. You
never know what you will hear until you try.

John Barnard

Volker Tonn wrote:

John Barnard schrieb:

There are a number of spoilers that schedule information can't accomodate.
Propagation, receiver differences, antenna differences, local noise etc.,
etc. can render even the most up-to-date schedule information as seemingly
useless. In other words, without knowing everything that Jay tried, the
information was useful.


So where is a VOA transmission directed(!) to NE-america?
There is NONE. So what chance would be to get VOA there?