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Old May 16th 04, 10:26 PM
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Depends on the pH of the water. Disintegration would occur far more readily in
water that is acidic and would occur much more slowly in alkaline water. Unless
there is a tramatic alteration in the pH of the oceans and that is unlikely as CO2
dissolved in water can form a slightly alkaline buffer then I wouldn't think that
CO2 released from coral skeletons would be a big problem.

Regards

John Barnard

Diverd4777 wrote:

Yeah, evidence around the world from Coral die -off indicates the water temp is
Rising;
- - Which Means tha it's load of Dissolved Gases will be headed into the
Atmosphere.
Coral skeleton disintegration will release more CO2 into the surrounding
water..
Accelerating CO2 content of the Atmosphere..
- AND

( We're Doomed... )

- Either that or just Pump More Oil to Burn to either Warm Us Up ( Cooling /
Ice Age)
Or Cool Us Down
& Pump the water elsewhere ( Warming trend / Rising Sea Level)

- So , Thanks to our Good Freinds Who Supply The Oil,
you really don't have a thing to worry about..

In article EPNpc.10767$RM.5570@edtnps89, m II
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Subject: [ OT ] Is our climate nearing the tipping point?
From: m II
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 17:48:20 GMT

David wrote:
Is that your mantra?

Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been going pretty radically up
since we started burning coal. Patterns is the last 600 years are
unique. They do not have historical precedent that we can discern
from ice and geological records.

Regardless, if we are near the tipping point, it's way too late to
reverse the inevitable. Man, we live in interesting times!

On Sat, 15 May 2004 20:51:58 GMT, Telamon
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You have to be a total nut-case to argue global warming is man made.
There is billions of watts of energy going in and out of the atmosphere
on a daily basis that eventually determines the air temperature. Man's
energy output and use is negligible by comparison. Changes in the
atmospheric chemistry are natural and changes in climate are natural
whatever direction it is going.



There may be a problem with the oceans absorbing co2. When the water
gets warmer it can hold less gas in solution. If it ever starts giving
OFF this stored gas, we're doomed, as the cyle will be self perpetuating.

The above hypothesis is not at this site, but some good numbers,
regardless.

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2002...mancarbon.html


Add water vapor to the mix and the problem compounds exponentially

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...104254688.html



mike



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In article , John Barnard
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Depends on the pH of the water. Disintegration would occur far more
readily in water that is acidic and would occur much more slowly in
alkaline water. Unless there is a tramatic alteration in the pH of
the oceans and that is unlikely as CO2 dissolved in water can form a
slightly alkaline buffer then I wouldn't think that CO2 released from
coral skeletons would be a big problem.


That is just part of the explanation for the very complex system of
gases, temperatures, currents and chemical composition of the oceans.
The oceans are a large part but still a portion of climate stability.
The jury is still out on what is going to happen 10, 50 or 500 years
from now.

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Telamon
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Old May 17th 04, 12:18 AM
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I agree that it is impossible to predict what will happen 10, 50 or 100
years from now. This entire globe is one great big "mess" of complex
chemistry and reactions and the best models aren't that great at predicting
how the biosphere responds to a single input let alone to all the things
that happen simultaneously.

However, it is known that a single catastrophic event can have dire
climatic effects. For example, the quantity of material tossed out by
Krakatoa in 1883 had world-wide effects on climate. Such a large quantity
of material tossed into the atmosphere does cut down on the amount of
sunlight getting in and cooling tend to follow such tremendous volcanic
eruptions. From such observations came the idea that multiple nuclear
explosions would result in a nuclear winter.

I also have no doubt that mankind is very good at destroying or negatively
altering the earth's ecosystems. Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) can destroy
ozone quite readily and they destroy ozone in a quasi-catalytic manner (ie.
CFCs can eventually be consumed during the process of ozone destruction).

I would also think that dumping tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere,
potentially beyond the capabilities of the biosphere to handle it, is also
quite self-destructive.

Regards

John Barnard



Telamon wrote:

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

Depends on the pH of the water. Disintegration would occur far more
readily in water that is acidic and would occur much more slowly in
alkaline water. Unless there is a tramatic alteration in the pH of
the oceans and that is unlikely as CO2 dissolved in water can form a
slightly alkaline buffer then I wouldn't think that CO2 released from
coral skeletons would be a big problem.


That is just part of the explanation for the very complex system of
gases, temperatures, currents and chemical composition of the oceans.
The oceans are a large part but still a portion of climate stability.
The jury is still out on what is going to happen 10, 50 or 500 years
from now.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


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