If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie
concerning the fall of communism in East Germany.

Regards

John Barnard

Brenda Ann Dyer wrote:

"Llgpt" wrote in message
...
Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime
From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT)
Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals
hate
him). May he rest in peace.

So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And
we
will
win.


The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their
country
into oblivion.

We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you
ever
read a newspaper? I thought not.


Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to
do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was
the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people
there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their
oppressive governments.

John:
- Saw " Goodby Lenin":

- its an interesting peice about the fall of Communist East Germany,
with some comedy sub plot . . .

- and anyone who says the U.S is a Fachist state
( Even With Homeland Security . .! )
Should See this film ASAP..

Dan




In article , John Barnard writes:

Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime
From: John Barnard
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 05:53:44 GMT

If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie
concerning the fall of communism in East Germany.

Regards

John Barnard

Brenda Ann Dyer wrote:

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie
concerning the fall of communism in East Germany.

By all means continue getting your perspective from the movies while the
rest of us stick to reality.

The following from

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissin...43&sid=4983826

FORMER SOLIDARITY LEADER AND POLISH PRESIDENT LECH WALESA

"When I heard of President Reagan's death, as a Christian I prayed for
him. As a politician I recalled the important role he had played in
the overthrow of world communism.

"Somewhere at the turn of the 1980s a number of politicians and others
at different points on the globe began moving towards a single goal:
the overthrow of the murderous communist system that had the blood of
200 million people on its hands. Reagan was one of the world leaders
who made a major contribution to communism's collapse."

FORMER GERMAN CHANCELLOR HELMUT KOHL, who stood with
Reagan as he made a historic Cold War appeal at the Berlin Wall.

"His consistent championing of freedom contributed decisively to
overcoming the division of Europe and Germany. We Germans
have much to thank Ronald Reagan for."

FORMER SOVIET PRESIDENT MIKHAIL GORBACHEV

"I view Reagan as a great president," said Gorbachev, adding
that his dialogue with Reagan "kick-started the process which
ultimately put an end to the Cold War".

"I do not know how other statesmen would act in his place at the
time. Reagan, who was considered ultra-conservative, dared those
steps and that was his strength."

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon,

You wouldn't know reality if it bit you on your ass. The fact that you had to
twist the intent of my words is proof enough. Please, feel free to show me
where I stated that the movie should be taken as reality. Have you actually
seen the movie? As Diverd4777 has pointed out "- its an interesting peice
about the fall of Communist East Germany, with some comedy sub plot . . ."

I suggest that you read the following CIA document before crowing about the
Ronald Reagan and the US undoing communism in Eastern Europe. Very shameful
how the USA decided not to warn Solidarity, don't you think?

http://www.cia.gov/csi/books/poland/

Furthermore, the Poles had always been at odds with the Communists. I can damn
well assure you that the Reagan and the gang had nothing to do with various
uprisings in 1956, 1970 and 1976. The Poles brought about the revolution
themselves to eventually free themselves. It wasn't the USA! Live with the
fact!

Please, no more revisionist history from you. I don't care what you thought
you saw in "real time" but a few of my Polish colleagues easily tell a story
different from yours.

Regards

John Barnard

Telamon wrote:

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie
concerning the fall of communism in East Germany.

By all means continue getting your perspective from the movies while the
rest of us stick to reality.

The following from

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissin...43&sid=4983826

FORMER SOLIDARITY LEADER AND POLISH PRESIDENT LECH WALESA

"When I heard of President Reagan's death, as a Christian I prayed for
him. As a politician I recalled the important role he had played in
the overthrow of world communism.

"Somewhere at the turn of the 1980s a number of politicians and others
at different points on the globe began moving towards a single goal:
the overthrow of the murderous communist system that had the blood of
200 million people on its hands. Reagan was one of the world leaders
who made a major contribution to communism's collapse."

FORMER GERMAN CHANCELLOR HELMUT KOHL, who stood with
Reagan as he made a historic Cold War appeal at the Berlin Wall.

"His consistent championing of freedom contributed decisively to
overcoming the division of Europe and Germany. We Germans
have much to thank Ronald Reagan for."

FORMER SOVIET PRESIDENT MIKHAIL GORBACHEV

"I view Reagan as a great president," said Gorbachev, adding
that his dialogue with Reagan "kick-started the process which
ultimately put an end to the Cold War".

"I do not know how other statesmen would act in his place at the
time. Reagan, who was considered ultra-conservative, dared those
steps and that was his strength."

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

Telamon,

You wouldn't know reality if it bit you on your ass.

Don't confuse where I'm at with where your head is at.

The fact that you had to twist the intent of my words is proof
enough. Please, feel free to show me where I stated that the movie
should be taken as reality. Have you actually seen the movie? As
Diverd4777 has pointed out "- its an interesting peice about the
fall of Communist East Germany, with some comedy sub plot . . ."

Diverd4777 is blocked. I don't wast my time reading idiots.

I didn't twist your words or take them out of context.

I suggest that you read the following CIA document before crowing about the
Ronald Reagan and the US undoing communism in Eastern Europe. Very shameful
how the USA decided not to warn Solidarity, don't you think?

http://www.cia.gov/csi/books/poland/

Furthermore, the Poles had always been at odds with the Communists. I
can damn well assure you that the Reagan and the gang had nothing to
do with various uprisings in 1956, 1970 and 1976. The Poles brought
about the revolution themselves to eventually free themselves. It
wasn't the USA! Live with the fact!

They never would have succeeded without Reagan's efforts to end
Communism. World leaders at the time agree with me and not with your
special version of reality.

Please, no more revisionist history from you. I don't care what you thought
you saw in "real time" but a few of my Polish colleagues easily tell a story
different from yours.

I don't care what you think either if you spend your time agreeing with
worthless Trolls.

Pick your side, Telamon and Lech Walesa or you and Diverd4777.

Tough choice.

You apparently are just another moronic Troll like Diverd4777.

Plonk


Telamon wrote:

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie
concerning the fall of communism in East Germany.

By all means continue getting your perspective from the movies while the
rest of us stick to reality.

The following from

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissin...43&sid=4983826

FORMER SOLIDARITY LEADER AND POLISH PRESIDENT LECH WALESA

"When I heard of President Reagan's death, as a Christian I prayed for
him. As a politician I recalled the important role he had played in
the overthrow of world communism.

"Somewhere at the turn of the 1980s a number of politicians and others
at different points on the globe began moving towards a single goal:
the overthrow of the murderous communist system that had the blood of
200 million people on its hands. Reagan was one of the world leaders
who made a major contribution to communism's collapse."

FORMER GERMAN CHANCELLOR HELMUT KOHL, who stood with
Reagan as he made a historic Cold War appeal at the Berlin Wall.

"His consistent championing of freedom contributed decisively to
overcoming the division of Europe and Germany. We Germans
have much to thank Ronald Reagan for."

FORMER SOVIET PRESIDENT MIKHAIL GORBACHEV

"I view Reagan as a great president," said Gorbachev, adding
that his dialogue with Reagan "kick-started the process which
ultimately put an end to the Cold War".

"I do not know how other statesmen would act in his place at the
time. Reagan, who was considered ultra-conservative, dared those
steps and that was his strength."

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

Telamon,

You wouldn't know reality if it bit you on your ass.

Don't confuse where I'm at with where your head is at.

The fact that you had to twist the intent of my words is proof
enough. Please, feel free to show me where I stated that the movie
should be taken as reality. Have you actually seen the movie? As
Diverd4777 has pointed out "- its an interesting peice about the
fall of Communist East Germany, with some comedy sub plot . . .



Diverd4777 is blocked. I don't wast my time reading idiots.

I didn't twist your words or take them out of context.

You did take my words out of context with the following statement: "By all means
continue getting your perspective from the movies while the rest of us stick to
reality". At no point in time did I say that the movie was a resemblance to
reality.


stuff snipped

They never would have succeeded without Reagan's efforts to end
Communism. World leaders at the time agree with me and not with your
special version of reality.

World leaders agree with you??? Or do you agree with world leaders??? Feeling a
little self-inflated with the ego, eh? And, whether you like it or not, the lip
service will be flying over the next few weeks.




Please, no more revisionist history from you. I don't care what you thought
you saw in "real time" but a few of my Polish colleagues easily tell a story
different from yours.

I don't care what you think either if you spend your time agreeing with
worthless Trolls.

Worthless trolls? Those ladies spent the better part of their lives living under
the Communist government in Poland. And I have no question that they know a hell
of a lot more than you about the subject and what happened at the Gdansk shipyards
than you ever will in your world of make-believe. You are one sorry sad sack of
sh*t!




Pick your side, Telamon and Lech Walesa or you and Diverd4777.

Telamon and Lech Walesa? Thanks for breaking me up laughing. Truly delusional.
There are meds for that type of thing!

Good health and good DX to you.

John Barnard



Tough choice.

You apparently are just another moronic Troll like Diverd4777.

Plonk


Telamon wrote:

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie
concerning the fall of communism in East Germany.

By all means continue getting your perspective from the movies while the
rest of us stick to reality.

The following from

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissin...43&sid=4983826

FORMER SOLIDARITY LEADER AND POLISH PRESIDENT LECH WALESA

"When I heard of President Reagan's death, as a Christian I prayed for
him. As a politician I recalled the important role he had played in
the overthrow of world communism.

"Somewhere at the turn of the 1980s a number of politicians and others
at different points on the globe began moving towards a single goal:
the overthrow of the murderous communist system that had the blood of
200 million people on its hands. Reagan was one of the world leaders
who made a major contribution to communism's collapse."

FORMER GERMAN CHANCELLOR HELMUT KOHL, who stood with
Reagan as he made a historic Cold War appeal at the Berlin Wall.

"His consistent championing of freedom contributed decisively to
overcoming the division of Europe and Germany. We Germans
have much to thank Ronald Reagan for."

FORMER SOVIET PRESIDENT MIKHAIL GORBACHEV

"I view Reagan as a great president," said Gorbachev, adding
that his dialogue with Reagan "kick-started the process which
ultimately put an end to the Cold War".

"I do not know how other statesmen would act in his place at the
time. Reagan, who was considered ultra-conservative, dared those
steps and that was his strength."

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

--
Telamon
Ventura, California