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"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Tue 14 Sep 2004 09:40:55p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message m: "Sir Cumference" wrote in message ... Gandalf Grey wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-23C7AA.20511413092004@newssvr21- ext.news.prodigy. com... In article , "Gandalf Grey" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-B4D75A.22143811092004@newssvr21- ext.news.prodigy. com.. . In article , "Gandalf Grey" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-B270F8.21573511092004@newssvr21- ext.news.prodigy. com.. . In article , "-=jd=-" wrote: On Sat 11 Sep 2004 11:47:47p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message ting.com: "-=jd=-" wrote in message 8.45.22... On Sat 11 Sep 2004 11:10:02p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message osting.com: "-=jd=-" wrote in message news:Xns9561E87116B71a216b130c132d203@63 .218.45.22... On Sat 11 Sep 2004 09:20:11p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message shosting.com: "-=jd=-" wrote in message news:Xns9561D6FF2776a216b130c132d203@6 3.218.45.22... On Sat 11 Sep 2004 06:12:01p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message ewshosting.com: "John" wrote in message . com... Isle Of The Dead wrote: "John" wrote in message s.com... There is NO reliable evidence the documents are fake. Dude, what part of "computer age" do you NOT understand? I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES DICKHEAD! 1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that typewriters of the time could do what we've seen. 2. Isle of the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic. Don't waste your time. It's only been established that some typewriters had the type-font. What has not been established is if *any* typewriters of the time could be used to reproduce what someone (according to NPR) has done: - Type the content of the suspect document using MS Word. - Print the MS-Word doc on a laser printer. - Scan the MS-Word doc - Scan a copy of the suspect document - Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at how they line up. Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite possibilities that a chiefly mechanical device in the early seventies has the same typographical characteristics of a current software based word-processing program to include type spacing, kerning, justification, character registration, etc, etc, etc... I wouldn't be so quick to declare it a definite or even reasonable probability just yet... Well, the raised "e" can only be accomplished in Word with great difficulty. It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. NPR or no NPR. Apparently the raised "e" can also be attributed to a defect introduced by multiple-passes through a copier in an attempt to artificially "age" a document. If you've seen the pdf (I downloaded it from the Washington Post). No. That wouldn't effect the "e"s alone. Try again. In the single position and no other "e" being affected, I would think it is an artifact from something other than the device that originally produced the document. Now you're reaching. No need to try again. Wrong. The new discoveries along with the Rovian character of the first criticism out make it clear that the docs are legitimate. Opinions vary... Rove doesn't. He's a sleazeball trickster and this is just his style. Besides that, the docs don't reveal anything that wasn't already known about Bush's desertion. And there we have it. Who needs the docs, right? Enough said - I think I see where you're coming from. Yeah. I'm coming from the truth. The existing documents without Killian's documents already prove Bush wasn't where he was supposed to be. Then there are the missing documents and the picture put together by the AP. Bush was a technical deserter, Killian docs or no Killian docs. That was never really a question. The Killian docs are interesting, but they don't change much of anything. And Kerry received one or more of his decorations "technically". So what? Apparently, you come from "the truth" as only you can see it through the filter of your bias. Wherever Bush was, the ANG apparently did not have any problem with it, as can be determined by the honorable discharge Bush received. Or is that particular document "forged" and/or not up to your standards of truth? I think it is a mistake to spend much time on Kerry's 4 months in Vietnam since it's his word against others. More like 3 plus years. Excuse me, 4 months and 2 days. Wrong. I can understand your problem. Your boy, Bush deserted during his service in the guard, so you've got to find a way to attack the actual service of Kerry, who did two tours in Vietnam. You mean the Kerry who gunned his swift boat and ran when another swift boat hit a mine, while the other swift boats stayed to lend assistance to the stricken boat? Funny, that's not the official Navy Record. On the other hand, we don't HAVE an official record for where Bush was when he was supposed to be on duty. Sure we do. The ANG says he had accumulated "Duty Points" in excess of the minimum amount required to fully satisfy six full years of service. Actually, the record doesn't say where he was, moron. That's your problem. |
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= = = ... clifto wrote: Dan wrote: These things are such obvious fakes that, if CBS had *any* integrity left at all, Dan Rather should be fired on the spot. The lies continue and compound. http://progresssivetrail.org/articles/040911Peralta.shtml says, "1. Times New Roman Fonts did not exist in 1972. "The Times New Roman font was developed in 1931 by Stanley Morison, Typographical Advisor to the Monotype Corporation who adapted the font to the IBM selectric [sic] Typewriter in 1947." The font *may* have been developed in 1931; Morison was NOT advisor to Monotype Corporation, but to the Times (newspaper) of London. Victor Lardent of the Times actually drew the original design. The IBM Selectric [tm] Typewriter was introduced in 1961. To my knowledge, there was never a proportional-space version of the Selectric. Certainly the mechanics of the Selectric would have made proportional spacing very difficult if not impossible. The Selectric Composer could do proportional font spacing, but it was a high-quality, high-end, expensive unit used mostly by commercial printing firms for producing camera ready type or firms needing high-quality printing. And they were not easy to use or repair. SC, Did a typewriter exist that could mimic these features ? Some suggest that an IBM Selectric Composer could have been used, theoretically, to type the memos. But with a $4,000 {in 1970s Dollars} price tag, it's unlikely that a small National Guard office would have had one. - N O ! - ~ RHF .. |
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I'll base mine on information from the leading expert in the field (Dr. Bouffard) and the success of rank amateurs in reproducing the document. You can base your opinion on... umm... whatever... My own eyes and a little common sense. You talk about "rank amateurs" reproducing documents and use that as the basis to say the documents are fake. All that tells me, instead, is that "rank amateurs" can fake documents. That certainly doesn't prove to me these particular documents are fake. Further, I simply don't agree with your assessment of the documents produced by those "rank amateurs." Their work does not look like the documents in question. Their documents were clearly produced on a computer, while the documents in question were clearly produced on a typewriter. Finally, the contents of the documents in question, including military document layout, dates, events, and signatures, all match what we know of the situation at the time. That would be very difficult to fake without intimate knowledge of each of those (a lot harder than some "rank amatuers" simply copying what they see on a document in front of them). In other words, you'll have to work a lot harder if you want to convince me those documents are fake. Stewart |
"Sir Cumference" wrote in message ... Sorry Frank I simply misread your comment. No problem. Dr. Nick says I won't be so crabby after he ups my meds. Frank Dresser |
"Gandalf Grey" wrote in message m... "dxAce" wrote in message ... Gandalf Grey wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Gandalf Grey wrote: "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Mon 13 Sep 2004 10:21:01p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message m: "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Mon 13 Sep 2004 08:51:49p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message m: {snippage} Bob Dole Tossed a grenade, it bounced off a tree and he got a nick on his shin along with a purple heart. I hadn't heard. I guess the fact that he's pretty much crippled on one side does not matter to you, as much as your attempts to smear anyone who has ever served honorably. Oh I see. Dole ****s up and gets a purple heart but THAT'S okay! Just so long as I know I'm dealing with the typical right wing hypocrite. Gee - Nice knee-jerk assumption there, chuckles! Did I say that someone getting a P.H. for a "nick" is "okay"? Apparently yes, since you don't seem to be critical of Dole's "Technical" P.H. That you somehow think Kerry's "bandaids" somehow equate to Dole's crippling injuries makes a rather compelling case for your own hypocracy. Try again, sunshine! To use your own party's attitude, Dole ****ed up and got crippled. Tough ****! After all, that seems to have been Saxby "never served" Chambliss's technique against Max Cleland. I've served with and know *real* Heros who would make Kerry look like Clinton in comparison. You're assessment of heroes and heroism means exactly squat. Just so you'll know. You have yet to demonstrate any ability to even begin to grasp the concept of "Hero" So does your support of a draft-dodging coke-addict who thinks "heroism" is dressing up in a flight suit. And please explain how one dodges the draft by serving in the Texas Air National Guard? By refusing direct orders and deserting your post. WRONG. That's not dodging the draft. When did he desert? Somewhere where they weren't giving flight physicals. Give us a break, rightie. The facts are out there. Bush was REQUIRED to take a physical and he didn't report. He put in his time Apparently not. We're still waiting for some documentation that he actually did put in his time. Still waiting. "Crickets.wav" You lose, rightie. Silly liberal grasping at straws. |
"Gandalf Grey" wrote in message m... "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Tue 14 Sep 2004 09:32:48p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message news:41479a62$0$28016 : "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Tue 14 Sep 2004 08:44:05p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message m: "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... Bush's National Guard years Before you fall for Dems' spin, here are the facts More Questions than facts. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...ws/20guard.htm The only "facts" that matter are the ANG's and the USN's in this race. That's what you say. Wrong again Dream on, moron. Liberal speak for I'm clueless and don't know jack. |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Tue 14 Sep 2004 11:05:34p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message m: "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Tue 14 Sep 2004 09:32:48p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message news:41479a62$0$28016 : "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Tue 14 Sep 2004 08:44:05p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message m: "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... Bush's National Guard years Before you fall for Dems' spin, here are the facts More Questions than facts. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...ws/20guard.htm The only "facts" that matter are the ANG's and the USN's in this race. That's what you say. Wrong again Dream on, moron. LOL! Oh look! One of the village idiots is having a fit. |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Tue 14 Sep 2004 11:09:24p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message m: "-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Tue 14 Sep 2004 09:40:55p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message m: "Sir Cumference" wrote in message ... Gandalf Grey wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-23C7AA.20511413092004@newssvr21- ext.news.prodigy. com... In article , "Gandalf Grey" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-B4D75A.22143811092004@newssvr21- ext.news.prodigy. com.. . In article , "Gandalf Grey" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-B270F8.21573511092004@newssvr21- ext.news.prodigy. com.. . In article , "-=jd=-" wrote: On Sat 11 Sep 2004 11:47:47p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message ting.com: "-=jd=-" wrote in message 8.45.22... On Sat 11 Sep 2004 11:10:02p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message osting.com: "-=jd=-" wrote in message news:Xns9561E87116B71a216b130c132d203@63 .218.45.22... On Sat 11 Sep 2004 09:20:11p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message shosting.com: "-=jd=-" wrote in message news:Xns9561D6FF2776a216b130c132d203@6 3.218.45.22... On Sat 11 Sep 2004 06:12:01p, "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message ewshosting.com: "John" wrote in message . com... Isle Of The Dead wrote: "John" wrote in message s.com... There is NO reliable evidence the documents are fake. Dude, what part of "computer age" do you NOT understand? I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES DICKHEAD! 1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that typewriters of the time could do what we've seen. 2. Isle of the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic. Don't waste your time. It's only been established that some typewriters had the type-font. What has not been established is if *any* typewriters of the time could be used to reproduce what someone (according to NPR) has done: - Type the content of the suspect document using MS Word. - Print the MS-Word doc on a laser printer. - Scan the MS-Word doc - Scan a copy of the suspect document - Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at how they line up. Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite possibilities that a chiefly mechanical device in the early seventies has the same typographical characteristics of a current software based word-processing program to include type spacing, kerning, justification, character registration, etc, etc, etc... I wouldn't be so quick to declare it a definite or even reasonable probability just yet... Well, the raised "e" can only be accomplished in Word with great difficulty. It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. NPR or no NPR. Apparently the raised "e" can also be attributed to a defect introduced by multiple-passes through a copier in an attempt to artificially "age" a document. If you've seen the pdf (I downloaded it from the Washington Post). No. That wouldn't effect the "e"s alone. Try again. In the single position and no other "e" being affected, I would think it is an artifact from something other than the device that originally produced the document. Now you're reaching. No need to try again. Wrong. The new discoveries along with the Rovian character of the first criticism out make it clear that the docs are legitimate. Opinions vary... Rove doesn't. He's a sleazeball trickster and this is just his style. Besides that, the docs don't reveal anything that wasn't already known about Bush's desertion. And there we have it. Who needs the docs, right? Enough said - I think I see where you're coming from. Yeah. I'm coming from the truth. The existing documents without Killian's documents already prove Bush wasn't where he was supposed to be. Then there are the missing documents and the picture put together by the AP. Bush was a technical deserter, Killian docs or no Killian docs. That was never really a question. The Killian docs are interesting, but they don't change much of anything. And Kerry received one or more of his decorations "technically". So what? Apparently, you come from "the truth" as only you can see it through the filter of your bias. Wherever Bush was, the ANG apparently did not have any problem with it, as can be determined by the honorable discharge Bush received. Or is that particular document "forged" and/or not up to your standards of truth? I think it is a mistake to spend much time on Kerry's 4 months in Vietnam since it's his word against others. More like 3 plus years. Excuse me, 4 months and 2 days. Wrong. I can understand your problem. Your boy, Bush deserted during his service in the guard, so you've got to find a way to attack the actual service of Kerry, who did two tours in Vietnam. You mean the Kerry who gunned his swift boat and ran when another swift boat hit a mine, while the other swift boats stayed to lend assistance to the stricken boat? Funny, that's not the official Navy Record. On the other hand, we don't HAVE an official record for where Bush was when he was supposed to be on duty. Sure we do. The ANG says he had accumulated "Duty Points" in excess of the minimum amount required to fully satisfy six full years of service. Actually, the record doesn't say where he was, moron. That's your problem. I don't have a problem at all yes you do. The voters want to know where Bush was and Bush aint talking. |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... On Wed 15 Sep 2004 09:29:18a, "Dwight Stewart" wrote in message ink.net: "-=jd=-" wrote: I'll base mine on information from the leading expert in the field (Dr. Bouffard) and the success of rank amateurs in reproducing the document. You can base your opinion on... umm... whatever... My own eyes and a little common sense. You talk about "rank amateurs" reproducing documents and use that as the basis to say the documents are fake. All that tells me, instead, is that "rank amateurs" can fake documents. That certainly doesn't prove to me these particular documents are fake. Further, I simply don't agree with your assessment of the documents produced by those "rank amateurs." Their work does not look like the documents in question. Their documents were clearly produced on a computer, while the documents in question were clearly produced on a typewriter. Finally, the contents of the documents in question, including military document layout, dates, events, and signatures, all match what we know of the situation at the time. That would be very difficult to fake without intimate knowledge of each of those (a lot harder than some "rank amatuers" simply copying what they see on a document in front of them). In other words, you'll have to work a lot harder if you want to convince me those documents are fake. Stewart Convincing anyone is none of my concern, but I do reserve the right to wonder aloud how a reasonable and prudent person would ignore the mounting list of indicators pointing to obvious forgeries. You mean pointed out by freepers within literally minutes of their being seen on television? Hardly the sort of reaction designed to fill me with a sense of trust toward the actual origin of those documents. This has Rove's smell all over it, and your posting is proof that it's definitely drawing flies. |
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So does your support of a draft-dodging coke-addict who thinks "heroism" is dressing up in a flight suit. IF you were going to fly in a military jet fighter you would dress up in a flight suit as well, it is mandatory, it isn't optional. |
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