longwave wrote:
CBS said they submitted the documents to extensive examination by
experts before 'running' with the story, but nothing will convince the
conspiracy types.

They've changed that story already. Now it's that they had people familiar
with the documents' content, and they checked with a handwriting expert.

--
"The Democrats are all over this. Democratic strategists feel John Kerry's
war record means he can beat Bush. They say when it comes down to it, voters
will always vote for a war hero over someone who tried to get out of the war.
I'll be sure to mention that to Bob Dole when I see him." -- Jay Leno

longwave wrote:
The 'Times New Roman' font has been used since 1931 according to
typography experts.

Yes, it has. But not by people using typewriters. I myself used Times
New Roman in the middle seventies -- on an Alphatype cold typesetting
machine which could only "print" on film or photographic print paper.
Hell, the Times didn't even release rights to others to use the font
until 1933.

--
"The Democrats are all over this. Democratic strategists feel John Kerry's
war record means he can beat Bush. They say when it comes down to it, voters
will always vote for a war hero over someone who tried to get out of the war.
I'll be sure to mention that to Bob Dole when I see him." -- Jay Leno

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Isle Of The Dead wrote:
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There is NO reliable evidence the documents are fake.


Dude, what part of "computer age"
do you NOT understand?



I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES
DICKHEAD!

1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that typewriters of the
time could do what we've seen.
2. Isle of the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic. Don't waste your
time.



It's only been established that some typewriters had the type-font. What
has not been established is if *any* typewriters of the time could be used
to reproduce what someone (according to NPR) has done:
- Type the content of the suspect document using MS Word.
- Print the MS-Word doc on a laser printer.
- Scan the MS-Word doc
- Scan a copy of the suspect document
- Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at how they line up.

Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite possibilities that a chiefly
mechanical device in the early seventies has the same typographical
characteristics of a current software based word-processing program to
include type spacing, kerning, justification, character registration, etc,
etc, etc...

I wouldn't be so quick to declare it a definite or even reasonable
probability just yet...

Well, the raised "e" can only be accomplished in Word with great difficulty.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. NPR or no NPR.


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"Gandalf Grey" wrote:

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On Sat 11 Sep 2004 06:12:01p, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote in message
m:


"John" wrote in message
...
Isle Of The Dead wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...


There is NO reliable evidence the documents are fake.


Dude, what part of "computer age"
do you NOT understand?



I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES
DICKHEAD!

1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that typewriters of the
time could do what we've seen.
2. Isle of the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic. Don't waste your
time.



It's only been established that some typewriters had the type-font. What
has not been established is if *any* typewriters of the time could be used
to reproduce what someone (according to NPR) has done:
- Type the content of the suspect document using MS Word.
- Print the MS-Word doc on a laser printer.
- Scan the MS-Word doc
- Scan a copy of the suspect document
- Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at how they line up.

Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite possibilities that a chiefly
mechanical device in the early seventies has the same typographical
characteristics of a current software based word-processing program to
include type spacing, kerning, justification, character registration, etc,
etc, etc...

I wouldn't be so quick to declare it a definite or even reasonable
probability just yet...

Well, the raised "e" can only be accomplished in Word with great difficulty.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. NPR or no NPR.

If people can type up the document on a computer and it lines up with
the documents in question then they are fake documents.

The proportional font on a typewriter will be different than on a
computer. The computer font will change its spacing depending on the
arrangement of the letters and justification. This can't be done on a
fixed key system where the spacing is fixed. The typewriter document can
look the same but the letters will not line up the same way.

Lazy forger should have gotten a typewriter to do the job instead of a
computer.

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Ventura, California

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In article ,
"Gandalf Grey" wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat 11 Sep 2004 06:12:01p, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote in message
m:


"John" wrote in message
...
Isle Of The Dead wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...


There is NO reliable evidence the documents are fake.


Dude, what part of "computer age"
do you NOT understand?



I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES
DICKHEAD!

1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that typewriters of
the
time could do what we've seen.
2. Isle of the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic. Don't waste
your
time.



It's only been established that some typewriters had the type-font.
What
has not been established is if *any* typewriters of the time could be
used
to reproduce what someone (according to NPR) has done:
- Type the content of the suspect document using MS Word.
- Print the MS-Word doc on a laser printer.
- Scan the MS-Word doc
- Scan a copy of the suspect document
- Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at how they line up.

Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite possibilities that a
chiefly
mechanical device in the early seventies has the same typographical
characteristics of a current software based word-processing program to
include type spacing, kerning, justification, character registration,
etc,
etc, etc...

I wouldn't be so quick to declare it a definite or even reasonable
probability just yet...

Well, the raised "e" can only be accomplished in Word with great
difficulty.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. NPR or no NPR.

If people can type up the document on a computer and it lines up with
the documents in question then they are fake documents.

And anyone can look at the documents and see that it wouldn't line up.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. The raised "e"'s can't
be duplicated without a lot of effort in Word.

In article ,
"Gandalf Grey" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in
message

gy.com.. .
In article ,
"Gandalf Grey" wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat 11 Sep 2004 06:12:01p, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote in message
m:


"John" wrote in message
...
Isle Of The Dead wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...


There is NO reliable evidence the documents are fake.


Dude, what part of "computer age" do you NOT understand?



I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE EARLY
SEVENTIES DICKHEAD!

1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that
typewriters of the time could do what we've seen. 2. Isle of
the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic. Don't waste your
time.



It's only been established that some typewriters had the
type-font. What has not been established is if *any*
typewriters of the time could be used to reproduce what someone
(according to NPR) has done: - Type the content of the suspect
document using MS Word. - Print the MS-Word doc on a laser
printer. - Scan the MS-Word doc - Scan a copy of the suspect
document - Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at
how they line up.

Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite possibilities that
a chiefly mechanical device in the early seventies has the same
typographical characteristics of a current software based
word-processing program to include type spacing, kerning,
justification, character registration, etc, etc, etc...

I wouldn't be so quick to declare it a definite or even
reasonable probability just yet...

Well, the raised "e" can only be accomplished in Word with great
difficulty.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. NPR or no
NPR.

If people can type up the document on a computer and it lines up
with the documents in question then they are fake documents.

And anyone can look at the documents and see that it wouldn't line
up.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. The raised
"e"'s can't be duplicated without a lot of effort in Word.

The report is that they do line up. Can you point me to a link where I
can see it myself?

--
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Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Gandalf Grey" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in
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gy.com.. .
In article ,
"Gandalf Grey" wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat 11 Sep 2004 06:12:01p, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote in message
m:


"John" wrote in message
...
Isle Of The Dead wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...


There is NO reliable evidence the documents are fake.


Dude, what part of "computer age" do you NOT understand?



I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE EARLY
SEVENTIES DICKHEAD!

1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that
typewriters of the time could do what we've seen. 2. Isle of
the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic. Don't waste your
time.



It's only been established that some typewriters had the
type-font. What has not been established is if *any*
typewriters of the time could be used to reproduce what someone
(according to NPR) has done: - Type the content of the suspect
document using MS Word. - Print the MS-Word doc on a laser
printer. - Scan the MS-Word doc - Scan a copy of the suspect
document - Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at
how they line up.

Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite possibilities that
a chiefly mechanical device in the early seventies has the same
typographical characteristics of a current software based
word-processing program to include type spacing, kerning,
justification, character registration, etc, etc, etc...

I wouldn't be so quick to declare it a definite or even
reasonable probability just yet...

Well, the raised "e" can only be accomplished in Word with great
difficulty.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. NPR or no
NPR.

If people can type up the document on a computer and it lines up
with the documents in question then they are fake documents.

And anyone can look at the documents and see that it wouldn't line
up.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. The raised
"e"'s can't be duplicated without a lot of effort in Word.

The report is that they do line up. Can you point me to a link where I
can see it myself?

Actually, you can probably point yourself to a magnifying glass and see it
for yourself by printing the docs off of www.cbsnews.com


--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
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On Sat 11 Sep 2004 09:20:11p, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote in message
m:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat 11 Sep 2004 06:12:01p, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote in message
m:


"John" wrote in message
...
Isle Of The Dead wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...


There is NO reliable evidence the documents are fake.


Dude, what part of "computer age"
do you NOT understand?



I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES
DICKHEAD!

1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that typewriters of the
time could do what we've seen.
2. Isle of the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic. Don't waste your
time.



It's only been established that some typewriters had the type-font.
What has not been established is if *any* typewriters of the time could
be used to reproduce what someone (according to NPR) has done:
- Type the content of the suspect document using MS Word.
- Print the MS-Word doc on a laser printer.
- Scan the MS-Word doc
- Scan a copy of the suspect document
- Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at how they line up.

Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite possibilities that a
chiefly mechanical device in the early seventies has the same
typographical characteristics of a current software based
word-processing program to include type spacing, kerning,
justification, character registration, etc, etc, etc...

I wouldn't be so quick to declare it a definite or even reasonable
probability just yet...

Well, the raised "e" can only be accomplished in Word with great
difficulty.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. NPR or no NPR.


Apparently the raised "e" can also be attributed to a defect introduced by
multiple-passes through a copier in an attempt to artificially "age" a
document. If you've seen the pdf (I downloaded it from the Washington
Post).

No. That wouldn't effect the "e"s alone.

Try again.

The new discoveries along with the Rovian character of the first criticism
out make it clear that the docs are legitimate.

Besides that, the docs don't reveal anything that wasn't already known about
Bush's desertion.

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"-=jd=-" wrote:

On Sat 11 Sep 2004 10:31:02p, Telamon
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"Telamon" wrote in
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gy.com.. .

If people can type up the document on a computer and it lines up
with the documents in question then they are fake documents.

And anyone can look at the documents and see that it wouldn't line
up.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. The raised
"e"'s can't be duplicated without a lot of effort in Word.

The report is that they do line up. Can you point me to a link where I
can see it myself?



Ask and ye shall receive... It's a bit down the page under the heading:
"One More CBS Document Example"

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php


This is just what I expected to see. Looks like the documents are faked
on a computer.

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Ventura, California

In article ,
"Gandalf Grey" wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...
On Sat 11 Sep 2004 09:20:11p, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote in message
m:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat 11 Sep 2004 06:12:01p, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote in message
m:


"John" wrote in message
...
Isle Of The Dead wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...


There is NO reliable evidence the documents are fake.


Dude, what part of "computer age"
do you NOT understand?



I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES
DICKHEAD!

1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that typewriters of the
time could do what we've seen.
2. Isle of the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic. Don't waste your
time.



It's only been established that some typewriters had the type-font.
What has not been established is if *any* typewriters of the time could
be used to reproduce what someone (according to NPR) has done:
- Type the content of the suspect document using MS Word.
- Print the MS-Word doc on a laser printer.
- Scan the MS-Word doc
- Scan a copy of the suspect document
- Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at how they line up.

Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite possibilities that a
chiefly mechanical device in the early seventies has the same
typographical characteristics of a current software based
word-processing program to include type spacing, kerning,
justification, character registration, etc, etc, etc...

I wouldn't be so quick to declare it a definite or even reasonable
probability just yet...

Well, the raised "e" can only be accomplished in Word with great
difficulty.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate. NPR or no NPR.


Apparently the raised "e" can also be attributed to a defect introduced by
multiple-passes through a copier in an attempt to artificially "age" a
document. If you've seen the pdf (I downloaded it from the Washington
Post).

No. That wouldn't effect the "e"s alone.

Try again.

Try again yourself. The "a" letters in several words were affected the
same way.

The new discoveries along with the Rovian character of the first criticism
out make it clear that the docs are legitimate.

You believe what you want. They match up all to well. If you go to other
sites in the links you can see what the best of the IBM typewriter of
the time can do reproducing the memo's and you can see for yourself that
they match up far worse than the suspect documents and their computer
generated brethren with the character misalignments I expected to find.

Not to mention that nobody in their right mind would go through the
gymnastics need to create the superscript of just a few characters in
the document. The "th" would have been just regular typed letters.

If you were writing a math paper where the superscript was part of a
formula you might but not in a memo such as this.

Besides that, the docs don't reveal anything that wasn't already known about
Bush's desertion.

These "docs" do portray Bush in a more negative light. I don't care if
they are real but I do care if they are fake because then someone is
trying to smear the President.

It's pretty clear that they are forgeries.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California