"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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spent decades trying to get similar results from their programs. At this
point, after decades of such efforts, it would really be more surprising
if
the results between the two (typewriters and computers) were actually that
different.


Let me get this right.

You're saying that Microsoft has spent millions of dollars
in order to re-create the mis-begotten spacing of
a thirty-year old mechanical device that was
dependent on a *spinning ball*?

That's what you're saying here?


And..... and I suppose Bill Gates is also spending
millions of dollars to re-create the ever-popular
mainframe "green screen" and punch-card input
for the next version of Windows!

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
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Of course it is a very reasonable explanation. The center of focus - be it
on a copier or a fax machine - is in the center of the document. The
farther away from center you get, the (slightly) less sharp the



This is pretty funny. I can't believe anybody would not
understand that the words *themselves* have variable
spacing, and it matches a MS Word copy exactly.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1213108/posts
IBM Composer expert can't recreate Bush Memos!


OF COURSE NOT!

YOU KNOW WHY?!?!

BECAUSE THE BUSH MEMOS REQUIRED
MILLIONS OF CALCULATIONS TO CREATE
THE SPACING THAT YOU SEE, THAT'S WHY!


too freaking funny.
I wish liberals could always be this funny

"Telamon" wrote:

This is just what I expected to see.
Looks like the documents are faked
on a computer.


Of course the lines wrap at the same points, Telamon. If you're typing two
documents with similar margins, where else would the lines wrap? The real
proof is in the character alignment. Look at the word "memo" in the CBS
original. Note the letters "m" and "e" raised slightly above the other
characters and the slightly oversized "o." While misaligned characters were
common on typewriters, it would be very difficult to do with a word
processor. And you can see similar character misalignment throughout the
sample (the "ee" in "three months," for example).

Stewart

"-=jd=-" wrote:

You're asserting it's consistent with
a typewriter? If the typewriter had
some defect to cause a letter to
misregister, that misregistration would
be consistent, (snip)


Not really. Any play in the typewriter ball, certainly not uncommon, would
have allowed random character misalignments.

Stewart

-=jd=-" wrote in message
...

"Bouffard thinks that it is FAR more likely (though NOT conclusive) that
the memos are a FORGERY. Dr. Bouffard is one of the foremost experts in
his field."


http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/the_s...m_selectr.html

Here's the kicker! Not only does the IBM Composer
exhibit fundamentally different spacing (as I already knew
because I actually have worked with some of this stuff),
but the centering of the letterheads is *exactly* the same
for each memo.

NOT A FREAKING CHANCE IN HELL THAT
THIS WAS DONE WITH MECHANICAL SYSTEM!

NO CHANCE!
DEAL WITH IT!

"Isle Of The Dead" wrote:

Let me get this right.

You're saying that Microsoft has
spent millions of dollars in order
to re-create the mis-begotten
spacing of a thirty-year old
mechanical device that was
dependent on a *spinning ball*?

That's what you're saying here?


Not exactly, but you're close to what I'm saying. Visit your local
library, find some old computer magazines from the early 80's to early 90's,
and look at how many articles compare the results of various computer
printers first to the old typewriters and later to the printing presses of
the time. In the 80's, saying the output of your dot matrix printer was
nearly the same as a daisywheel typewriter (the popular typewriter of the
time) was the ideal. Later, with the intro of the laser printer, the
printing press appearance became the ultimate goal. Much of what we have
today is the result of those earlier efforts.

Stewart

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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Not really. Any play in the typewriter ball, certainly not uncommon,
would
have allowed random character misalignments.


Microsoft must be doing one bang-up job.

Not only did they copy the original Selectric
fonts with high precision..... but the Bush
documents actually match a MS-Word
copy better than copy from
the physical device they were
cough cough

originally printed on!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1213734/posts

HO!

Dwight! I want some of your drugs!

I'll pay top dollar because you have a WHOPPER
of a delusional high going and I WANT THAT!

"Isle Of The Dead" wrote in message
news:aGU0d.6052

You guys *still* don't get it.

Absolutely agree - you are wrongly posting to rec.radio.shortwave, so you
are off topic.

ha ha ha A handwriting expert for a typewriter

In article ,
"-=jd=-" wrote:

On Sat 11 Sep 2004 06:12:01p, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote in message
m:


"John" wrote in message
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Isle Of The Dead wrote:
"John" wrote in message
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There is NO reliable evidence the documents are fake.


Dude, what part of "computer age"
do you NOT understand?



I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES
DICKHEAD!

1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that typewriters of the
time could do what we've seen.
2. Isle of the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic. Don't waste your
time.



It's only been established that some typewriters had the type-font. What
has not been established is if *any* typewriters of the time could be used
to reproduce what someone (according to NPR) has done:
- Type the content of the suspect document using MS Word.
- Print the MS-Word doc on a laser printer.
- Scan the MS-Word doc
- Scan a copy of the suspect document
- Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at how they line up.

Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite possibilities that a chiefly
mechanical device in the early seventies has the same typographical
characteristics of a current software based word-processing program to
include type spacing, kerning, justification, character registration, etc,
etc, etc...

You have no clue how flexible Microsoft Word is, do you?
Bill Gates would HANG HIS HEAD IN SHAME and declare
a DAY OF ATONEMENT if you could not do that.

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