Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
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Dwight Stewart wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote:

Convincing anyone is none of my concern,
but I do reserve the right to wonder aloud
how a reasonable and prudent person
would ignore the mounting list of indicators
pointing to obvious forgeries. (snip)

Then I trust you won't mind if I reserve the right to wonder aloud why
you
are so determined to establish, and publically declare, these documents
to
be forgeries.


Possibly because they are fake?

And possibly because your sound machine is a diversion from the real issues
of this election.

The diversion was started by CBS when they aired the story.

The reason it's continued is stonewalling by CBS.

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Dwight Stewart wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote:

Convincing anyone is none of my concern,
but I do reserve the right to wonder aloud
how a reasonable and prudent person
would ignore the mounting list of indicators
pointing to obvious forgeries. (snip)

Then I trust you won't mind if I reserve the right to wonder aloud
why
you
are so determined to establish, and publically declare, these
documents
to
be forgeries.


Possibly because they are fake?

And possibly because your sound machine is a diversion from the real
issues
of this election.

The diversion was started by CBS when they aired the story.

Not at all. The FACTS about Bush's missing service time and his dodging, IS
ALREADY KNOWN. The CBS report if anything was only more confirmation of
WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. Bush deserted his post and his daddy got him out with
an honorable discharge.

Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Dwight Stewart wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote:

Convincing anyone is none of my concern,
but I do reserve the right to wonder aloud
how a reasonable and prudent person
would ignore the mounting list of indicators
pointing to obvious forgeries. (snip)

Then I trust you won't mind if I reserve the right to wonder aloud
why
you
are so determined to establish, and publically declare, these
documents
to
be forgeries.


Possibly because they are fake?

And possibly because your sound machine is a diversion from the real
issues
of this election.

The diversion was started by CBS when they aired the story.

Not at all. The FACTS about Bush's missing service time and his dodging, IS
ALREADY KNOWN. The CBS report if anything was only more confirmation of
WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. Bush deserted his post and his daddy got him out with
an honorable discharge.

Sorry, but I don't see how your response ties in with my last message.

But if they are facts that are already known, how will forged documents confirm them?

As a reminder, you said:

And possibly because your sound machine is a diversion from the real issues
of this election.

I pointed out this was started when CBS aired the story.

If they hadn't dug up 30+ year old allegations and used what appear to be forged documents to create a story, we'd be discussing something else.

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Dwight Stewart wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote:

Convincing anyone is none of my concern,
but I do reserve the right to wonder aloud
how a reasonable and prudent person
would ignore the mounting list of indicators
pointing to obvious forgeries. (snip)

Then I trust you won't mind if I reserve the right to wonder
aloud
why
you
are so determined to establish, and publically declare, these
documents
to
be forgeries.


Possibly because they are fake?

And possibly because your sound machine is a diversion from the real
issues
of this election.

The diversion was started by CBS when they aired the story.

Not at all. The FACTS about Bush's missing service time and his
dodging, IS
ALREADY KNOWN. The CBS report if anything was only more confirmation of
WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. Bush deserted his post and his daddy got him out
with
an honorable discharge.

Sorry, but I don't see how your response ties in with my last message.

Well, it's probably a little late in life for me to teach you how to think.


But if they are facts that are already known, how will forged documents
confirm them?

They don't need to be confirmed. The lapses are already there. The
testimomy of witinesses is already there. CBS wasn't really showing anyone
anything knew. Plus, Killian's secretary has come forward and testified
that the memos, fake or not, completely support how Killian felt about Bush.


As a reminder, you said:

And possibly because your sound machine is a diversion from the real
issues
of this election.

I pointed out this was started when CBS aired the story.

If they hadn't dug up 30+ year old allegations and used what appear to be
forged documents to create a story, we'd be discussing something else.

I doubt it.

Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Dwight Stewart wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote:

Convincing anyone is none of my concern,
but I do reserve the right to wonder aloud
how a reasonable and prudent person
would ignore the mounting list of indicators
pointing to obvious forgeries. (snip)

Then I trust you won't mind if I reserve the right to wonder
aloud
why
you
are so determined to establish, and publically declare, these
documents
to
be forgeries.


Possibly because they are fake?

And possibly because your sound machine is a diversion from the real
issues
of this election.

The diversion was started by CBS when they aired the story.

Not at all. The FACTS about Bush's missing service time and his
dodging, IS
ALREADY KNOWN. The CBS report if anything was only more confirmation of
WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. Bush deserted his post and his daddy got him out
with
an honorable discharge.

Sorry, but I don't see how your response ties in with my last message.

Well, it's probably a little late in life for me to teach you how to think.


But if they are facts that are already known, how will forged documents
confirm them?

They don't need to be confirmed. The lapses are already there. The
testimomy of witinesses is already there. CBS wasn't really showing anyone
anything knew. Plus, Killian's secretary has come forward and testified
that the memos, fake or not, completely support how Killian felt about Bush.

Ever hear of 'hearsay'? It's pretty hard for a dead guy to come back and dispute
what anyone says about how he felt or what he did.

How convenient for both you, Dan Rather and See'BS' News.

dxAce

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Dwight Stewart wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote:

Convincing anyone is none of my concern,
but I do reserve the right to wonder aloud
how a reasonable and prudent person
would ignore the mounting list of indicators
pointing to obvious forgeries. (snip)

Then I trust you won't mind if I reserve the right to
wonder
aloud
why
you
are so determined to establish, and publically declare,
these
documents
to
be forgeries.


Possibly because they are fake?

And possibly because your sound machine is a diversion from the
real
issues
of this election.

The diversion was started by CBS when they aired the story.

Not at all. The FACTS about Bush's missing service time and his
dodging, IS
ALREADY KNOWN. The CBS report if anything was only more
confirmation of
WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. Bush deserted his post and his daddy got him
out
with
an honorable discharge.

Sorry, but I don't see how your response ties in with my last message.

Well, it's probably a little late in life for me to teach you how to
think.


But if they are facts that are already known, how will forged
documents
confirm them?

They don't need to be confirmed. The lapses are already there. The
testimomy of witinesses is already there. CBS wasn't really showing
anyone
anything knew. Plus, Killian's secretary has come forward and testified
that the memos, fake or not, completely support how Killian felt about
Bush.

Ever hear of 'hearsay'?

Yeah. It's what the Smearboat Vets for Lies use in their Bushfront
mudslinging campaign against Kerry.

= = = "Gandalf Grey" wrote in message
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"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Gandalf Grey wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Dwight Stewart wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote:

Convincing anyone is none of my concern,
but I do reserve the right to wonder aloud
how a reasonable and prudent person
would ignore the mounting list of indicators
pointing to obvious forgeries. (snip)

Then I trust you won't mind if I reserve the right to wonder aloud
why
you
are so determined to establish, and publically declare, these
documents
to
be forgeries.


Possibly because they are fake?

And possibly because your sound machine is a diversion from the real
issues
of this election.

The diversion was started by CBS when they aired the story.

Not at all. The FACTS about Bush's missing service time and his dodging, IS
ALREADY KNOWN. The CBS report if anything was only more confirmation of
WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. Bush deserted his post and his daddy got him out with
an honorable discharge.

GG,

The 'issue' for "Informed Voters" is not President George "W"
Bush's Texas National Guard Service Record, or Senator John 'ff'
Kerry's Vietnam Service Record. Both of which occurred more that
Thirty Years (30 Yrs) ago.

The 'issue' for "Informed Voters" is President George "W" Bush's
record of accomplishments during his Four Years (4 Yrs) as the US
President; contrasted with Senator John 'ff' Kerry's of doing
nothing during his Twenty Years (20 Yrs) in the US Senate.

ssi ~ RHF
..

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

The allegations about GWB are old -
people (snip)


I doubt we would even be talking about Bush's military service today if
there had not been almost fanatical attempts to discredit Kerry's military
service prior to that. But, once those attempts were made to discredit
Kerry's service, there were obviously going to be attempts to look more
closely at Bush's military service during that same time period. And I think
even you would agree that Bush's military service was rather lackluster.


Likewise, Sen. Kerry's performance in
the Senate is a better indicator of what
kind of leader he would be as President
than what he did over 30 years ago.
Unfortunately, Sen. Kerry keeps bringing
up Vietnam.


I must have missed where Kerry claimed Vietnam was an "indicator of what
kind of leader he would be as President." At the very most, his prior
military service might illustrate some limited knowledge of military
procedures and technology, but that is only one, relatively small, aspect of
the presidency (the president doesn't fight wars, he simply orders others to
do so).


(snip) Experts they checked with
warned them they looked like obvious
forgeries. (snip)


I saw no mention of the "experts" saying that ("they looked like obvious
forgeries"). Instead, as I understand it, they said it would be difficult to
fully verify the authenticity of photocopies.

Stewart

"-=jd=-" wrote:

There might be no need. Dan Rather
himself has now begun to disaccociate
authenticty from the docs. (snip)


Of course he has. For the reasons already stated, it is going to be almost
impossible to prove, beyond a shadow of doubt, the authenticty of the
documents.


Now we also have the purported author's
secretary chiming in with a high degree of
confidence that the docs are "fakes" that
*she* (at least) never typed. (snip)


This is a clear example of where a little common sense should apply. There
is no possible way for this secretary, who likely typed thousands of
documents in her career, to remember what she did or did not type thirty
years ago.


(snip) Then we have rank-amateurs who
have illustrated over and over that the
documents can be reproduced (snip)


Again, that simply tells me that "rank-amateurs" can reproduced documents
on a computer today. It certainly doesn't prove these particular documents
are fake.


Still, I guess if one has aligned himself
against Bush, then having these docs
turn out to be forged is not very good
news. (snip)


And, I guess if one has aligned himself with Bush, the idea the documents
might be fake is very good news. Of course, that is probably exactly why you
are working so hard to spread that very idea.

Stewart

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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I doubt we would even be talking about Bush's military service today if
there had not been almost fanatical attempts to discredit Kerry's military
service prior to that.

Ahem, errrr, Dwight, I know this is going to be
really hard to believe, seeing as you're all of
twenty or twenty-five years old and know
everything.... but Kerry discredited *himself*
by committing treason almost thirty years
before George Bush became president.