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Michael Bryant wrote: Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake: BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5952048/ ... and didn't question their authenticity is well taken. As for the font not being available in the 70s, the claim is that proportional fonts were not available until the seventies. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....%5Carchive%5C2 00409%5CPOL20040909d.html In fact, they've been around since the forties. http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html A web of unashamed lies is unraveling at a very opportune moment. Is that like your lies of having a PhD, getting fired from Louisville Technical Institute, drug bust while at Weber State, etc, etc., etc? SMELL the desperation! Indeed. dxAce Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) |
"m II" wrote in message news:ljb0d.85364$S55.36821@clgrps12... =================================== Composing typewriters Derogatorily called "Strike-on" composition, the composing typewriter was used for camera-ready copy in the quick-print business, in academic publishing, and small weeklies, where cost and turn-around were the driving factors. The best were capable of proportional spacing, justification, and handling multiple fonts. The familiar IBM Executive and Selectric can be considered to be in the low-end of this family; the IBM Composing Selectric was a computer-driven, auto-justifying, high-end system. OK, and how common was such fancy equipment in bureaucratic orginizations in which pre-printed forms were expected to be filled out with a typwriter with fixed spacing? Frank Dresser |
dxAce wrote:
Drudge was not resposible for the forged photo. ROFL!! You digital brownshirts are a hoot!! |
Michael Bryant wrote:
Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake: BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ... BZZZZT!! Wrong again mickeyboy, CBS faxed the memos to the White House. Now go wipe you nose and finish you cookies and milk. |
Subject: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
From: Sir Cumference Date: 9/10/2004 12:15 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Michael Bryant wrote: Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake: BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ... BZZZZT!! Wrong again mickeyboy, CBS faxed the memos to the White House. Now go wipe you nose and finish you cookies and milk. LOL!! Why don't you wipe "your" nose and finish "your" cookies and milk. English and spelling are not your strong point. Les |
Llgpt wrote: Subject: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake From: Sir Cumference Date: 9/10/2004 12:15 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Michael Bryant wrote: Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake: BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ... BZZZZT!! Wrong again mickeyboy, CBS faxed the memos to the White House. Now go wipe you nose and finish you cookies and milk. LOL!! Why don't you wipe "your" nose and finish "your" cookies and milk. English and spelling are not your strong point. But he did get his point across, did he not? dxAce Les |
Dan wrote:
"Mr. Schnell" Johnie wrote: It doesn't mean the original documents were fakes. The original documents after 32 years probably were faded, discolored and not legible. They were almost certainly reproduced using a Microsoft spread sheet in order to make them more legible. I see no problem with this. I see a big problem with this. Such documents are not admissable evidence. In fact, anything short of direct photocopies is evidence tampering. The really big problem is that Microsoft didn't have a spreadsheet program until after (or at least VERY close to) Killian's death. Microsoft Word didn't appear until around 1983. Most likely these documents were made by someone who wasn't alive during the time Killian was alive. -- "The Democrats are all over this. Democratic strategists feel John Kerry's war record means he can beat Bush. They say when it comes down to it, voters will always vote for a war hero over someone who tried to get out of the war. I'll be sure to mention that to Bob Dole when I see him." -- Jay Leno |
MSH,
FWIW: In the news today the guy's wife is claiming that the Bush Military Records ?documents? that are attributed to her dead husband appear to be "FAKES". * His widow, Marjorie Connell, told ABC News Radio: "The wording in these documents is very suspect to me. I just can't believe these are his words." * "Col Killian's son, Gary Killian, who also served in the National Guard, said he doubted his father would have written an unsigned memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat" Mr Bush's performance review. * Rufus Martin, the personnel chief in Col Killian's unit at the time also said he believed the documents are fake. "They looked to me like forgeries. I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years," he said. * Independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines said the memos appeared to have been written on a computer with Microsoft Word software. * Ms Lines, a document expert and fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, highlighted a small superscript "th" in the words "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron". She said such an effect was created automatically with Microsoft Word. "I'm virtually certain these were computer generated," she said. * Bill Flynn, one of US's top authorities on document authentication, added: "These documents do not appear to have been the result of technology that was available in 1972 and 1973." Source: The Scotsman . Com (UK) "Bush Vietnam Service Records May Be Fake" - by Mark Sage, PA News, in New York http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3480214 - http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...p-198189c.html - http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...litics/2787324 - http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...9629371.htm?1c - http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/top...254080625.html - http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...0052-8114r.htm It Must Be True ! - It's in the New York Times (NYT) via the AP * Authenticity of Bush Memos Scrutinized http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...Questions.html * Son of Late Officer Questions Bush Memos http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...ush-Memos.html DRUDGE REPORT: CBS NEWS executives have launched an internal investigation into whether its premiere news program 60 MINUTES aired fabricated documents relating to Bush National Guard service, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. Source= http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Rea...e.asp?ID=15036 "It's the end of the line, I think, for Dan Rather and 60 Minutes." So... What's the Frequency Dan ? { Id' Rather Not say :-} Just the Facts ~ RHF .. .. = = = "Mark S. Holden" wrote in message = = = ... Michael Bryant wrote: Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake: BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ... The White House got them from CBS. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5952048/ ... and didn't question their authenticity is well taken. As for the font not being available in the 70s, the claim is that proportional fonts were not available until the seventies. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....%5Carchive%5C2 00409%5CPOL20040909d.html In fact, they've been around since the forties. Actually, proportional fonts were available in the 30's - but they weren't common. But the documents in question aren't just proportional, they're kerned, and they have superscripts with fractional height letters. That's not a typewriter or vintage word processor. It's typeset. Someone said he keyed in one of the documents in Microsoft Word, printed it out, scanned it in as a graphic and superimposed it on top of the same document from CBS, and they lined up exactly. Horizontally and vertically. This means the default Microsoft Word kerning and line spacing rules with the default font are identical to the ones used to prepare the document. For every letter pair, in every line. That's incredible. But an easy way to get a very strong indication of the validity of the documents is to get other memos from the same guy that are known to be real, from the same time frame, and see what they look like. My guess is they'll look pretty crude compared to the questioned documents. http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html A web of unashamed lies is unraveling at a very opportune moment. SMELL the desperation! Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) .. |
Hell his "Honorable Discharge" Might be fake as well?
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake: BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5952048/ ... and didn't question their authenticity is well taken. As for the font not being available in the 70s, the claim is that proportional fonts were not available until the seventies. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....%5Carchive%5C2 00409%5CPOL20040909d.html In fact, they've been around since the forties. http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html A web of unashamed lies is unraveling at a very opportune moment. SMELL the desperation! Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) |
Just like Steve LIARe's
"Billybob" wrote in message ... Hell his "Honorable Discharge" Might be fake as well? "Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake: BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5952048/ ... and didn't question their authenticity is well taken. As for the font not being available in the 70s, the claim is that proportional fonts were not available until the seventies. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....%5Carchive%5C2 00409%5CPOL20040909d.html In fact, they've been around since the forties. http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html A web of unashamed lies is unraveling at a very opportune moment. SMELL the desperation! Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) |
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