On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:51:19 -0500, "T. Early"
wrote:


Nixon inherited what started as a regional issue that Democrat Kennedy
escalated and Democrat Johnson turned into a war. In short, it was a
Democrat war first and foremost.


Yes, Kennedy certainly played a role in escalation, but it began with
Eisenhower. Although, Eisenhower wisely refused to bail out the
French, under Eisenhower in 1956, when the French leave Vietnam, the
US Military Assistance Advisor Group (MAAG) assumes responsibility,
from the French, for training South Vietnamese forces. Historians,
of which Ann Coulter is not one, date this as the beginning of the
slippery slope.

Skipping past parsing arguments and what "is" is, I'll offer what is
only an OPINION: Ann Coulter is nothing but part of the dancing bread
& circus act for the masses, while we risk repeating history, creeping
from a republic toward an empire, where the superfluous masses need to
be occupied and entertained. dxace was right in at least one respect,
my bringing her up is only inviting distraction into further
meaningless entertainment.

Bradley B.

"Bradley B." wrote:

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:51:19 -0500, "T. Early"
wrote:


Nixon inherited what started as a regional issue that Democrat Kennedy
escalated and Democrat Johnson turned into a war. In short, it was a
Democrat war first and foremost.


Yes, Kennedy certainly played a role in escalation, but it began with
Eisenhower. Although, Eisenhower wisely refused to bail out the
French, under Eisenhower in 1956, when the French leave Vietnam, the
US Military Assistance Advisor Group (MAAG) assumes responsibility,
from the French, for training South Vietnamese forces. Historians,
of which Ann Coulter is not one, date this as the beginning of the
slippery slope.

Skipping past parsing arguments and what "is" is, I'll offer what is
only an OPINION: Ann Coulter is nothing but part of the dancing bread
& circus act for the masses, while we risk repeating history, creeping
from a republic toward an empire, where the superfluous masses need to
be occupied and entertained. dxace was right in at least one respect,
my bringing her up is only inviting distraction into further
meaningless entertainment.

Hey, I'm usually right in almost all respects, 'tard boy.

It's only defrocked PhD's and West Coast Liberal's who don't believe that, by
the way.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

dxAce wrote:

"Bradley B." wrote:

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:51:19 -0500, "T. Early"
wrote:


Nixon inherited what started as a regional issue that Democrat Kennedy
escalated and Democrat Johnson turned into a war. In short, it was a
Democrat war first and foremost.


Yes, Kennedy certainly played a role in escalation, but it began with
Eisenhower. Although, Eisenhower wisely refused to bail out the
French, under Eisenhower in 1956, when the French leave Vietnam, the
US Military Assistance Advisor Group (MAAG) assumes responsibility,
from the French, for training South Vietnamese forces. Historians,
of which Ann Coulter is not one, date this as the beginning of the
slippery slope.

Skipping past parsing arguments and what "is" is, I'll offer what is
only an OPINION: Ann Coulter is nothing but part of the dancing bread
& circus act for the masses, while we risk repeating history, creeping
from a republic toward an empire, where the superfluous masses need to
be occupied and entertained. dxace was right in at least one respect,
my bringing her up is only inviting distraction into further
meaningless entertainment.

Hey, I'm usually right in almost all respects, 'tard boy.

It's only defrocked PhD's and West Coast Liberal's who don't believe that, by
the way.

Dang, I left out Canadian 'tard boys too... Oh well, it's been a long post
election day!



dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:19:15 -0500, dxAce wrote:




Hey, I'm usually right in almost all respects, 'tard boy.

It's only defrocked PhD's and West Coast Liberal's who don't believe that, by
the way.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Sigh. He rolls right past the irony, and to prove his gift of the gab,
all he can come up with is " 'tard boy ".

Tell me ace, do you coat yourself with mineral oil before you take out
the magnifying glass, look for that cortex of yours, and beat it off?

What a waste.

"Bradley B." wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:19:15 -0500, dxAce wrote:




Hey, I'm usually right in almost all respects, 'tard boy.

It's only defrocked PhD's and West Coast Liberal's who don't believe that, by
the way.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Sigh. He rolls right past the irony, and to prove his gift of the gab,
all he can come up with is " 'tard boy ".

Tell me ace, do you coat yourself with mineral oil before you take out
the magnifying glass, look for that cortex of yours, and beat it off?

What a waste.

Go tote your portable, 'tard, and dream of the dx the big boys hear.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"Bradley B." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:51:19 -0500, "T. Early"
wrote:


Nixon inherited what started as a regional issue that Democrat
Kennedy
escalated and Democrat Johnson turned into a war. In short, it was
a
Democrat war first and foremost.


Yes, Kennedy certainly played a role in escalation, but it began
with
Eisenhower. Although, Eisenhower wisely refused to bail out the
French, under Eisenhower in 1956, when the French leave Vietnam,
the
US Military Assistance Advisor Group (MAAG) assumes responsibility,
from the French, for training South Vietnamese forces. Historians,
of which Ann Coulter is not one, date this as the beginning of the
slippery slope.

Skipping past parsing arguments and what "is" is, I'll offer what is
only an OPINION: Ann Coulter is nothing but part of the dancing
bread
& circus act for the masses, while we risk repeating history,
creeping
from a republic toward an empire, where the superfluous masses need
to
be occupied and entertained. dxace was right in at least one
respect,
my bringing her up is only inviting distraction into further
meaningless entertainment.


That may well be, and no doubt you regard the likes of Michael Moore
and most of Hollywood as part of the same circus. It also doesn't
change the fact that you initiated a thread on this matter, provided a
number of instances that allegedly made her out to be factually
challenged, but, when questioned, weren't inclined to go any further
into your own interpretation of her remarks, other than a quibble
about a "slippery slope." So it would appear that we can rest easy
that Wilson and Truman were Democrats and nothing Coulter said was
inconsistent with that.

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:34:17 -0500, dxAce wrote:



"Bradley B." wrote:


Tell me ace, do you coat yourself with mineral oil before you take out
the magnifying glass, look for that cortex of yours, and beat it off?

What a waste.

Go tote your portable, 'tard, and dream of the dx the big boys hear.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Whoaaa, dude, you got me now. You mean yours is BIGGER than mine? I
guess you got me, now. I better take my toys and go away. I'll stop
here so you can have the last word.

Bradley B.

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:36:59 -0500, "T. Early"
wrote:


"Bradley B." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:51:19 -0500, "T. Early"
wrote:


Nixon inherited what started as a regional issue that Democrat
Kennedy
escalated and Democrat Johnson turned into a war. In short, it was
a
Democrat war first and foremost.


Yes, Kennedy certainly played a role in escalation, but it began
with
Eisenhower. Although, Eisenhower wisely refused to bail out the
French, under Eisenhower in 1956, when the French leave Vietnam,
the
US Military Assistance Advisor Group (MAAG) assumes responsibility,
from the French, for training South Vietnamese forces. Historians,
of which Ann Coulter is not one, date this as the beginning of the
slippery slope.

Skipping past parsing arguments and what "is" is, I'll offer what is
only an OPINION: Ann Coulter is nothing but part of the dancing
bread
& circus act for the masses, while we risk repeating history,
creeping
from a republic toward an empire, where the superfluous masses need
to
be occupied and entertained. dxace was right in at least one
respect,
my bringing her up is only inviting distraction into further
meaningless entertainment.


That may well be, and no doubt you regard the likes of Michael Moore
and most of Hollywood as part of the same circus. It also doesn't
change the fact that you initiated a thread on this matter, provided a
number of instances that allegedly made her out to be factually
challenged, but, when questioned, weren't inclined to go any further
into your own interpretation of her remarks, other than a quibble
about a "slippery slope." So it would appear that we can rest easy
that Wilson and Truman were Democrats and nothing Coulter said was
inconsistent with that.


I agree with you wholeheartedly about Michael Moore and most of
Hollywood.

Look, you wanted to pin Vietnam on Kennedy. I pointed you to a fact
that many have forgotten, which is that the containment strategy in
Viet Nam began with Eisenhower, who used our military and the CIA to
prop up a repressive and corrupt regime (Diem). You and I disagree
that this is quibbling. I thought it spoke to your point of Kennedy's
responsibility for Viet Nam.

As for the rest of your argument, which is that because I have not
argued with you point by point, this proves me wrong about Coulter and
her lack of grasp with honesty of intention or truth. I've offered a
point of view based on what I heard and some facts that happen to
share the extensive weight of recorded history -- something which in
my opinion, Ann Coulter has never burdened herself with. Anyway,
without the transcript from the BBC, which I won't take time to
pursue, I have no other recourse than to offer what I heard Coulter
say, and you are in your full rights to make the challenge personal
and say I made it up, I'm full of ****, etc. OK. All you and I can
end up doing is quibbling, both ways. I've offered an observation,
and I'm choosing to let it rest here.

Best, Bradley B.

Bradley B. wrote:
Yes, Kennedy certainly played a role in escalation, but it began with
Eisenhower. Although, Eisenhower wisely refused to bail out the
French, under Eisenhower in 1956, when the French leave Vietnam, the
US Military Assistance Advisor Group (MAAG) assumes responsibility,
from the French, for training South Vietnamese forces. Historians,
of which Ann Coulter is not one, date this as the beginning of the
slippery slope.

Revisionist historians, perhaps. Eisenhower did what he had to do to
honor treaties. Kennedy escalated. Johnson really escalated. Nixon
ended the war.

--
"Can't we all just learn to live together?" -- Rodney King
'***THWAP***' -- 100,000,000 million minds reacting in synchrony

"clifto" wrote in message
...
Bradley B. wrote:
Yes, Kennedy certainly played a role in escalation, but it began with
Eisenhower. Although, Eisenhower wisely refused to bail out the
French, under Eisenhower in 1956, when the French leave Vietnam, the
US Military Assistance Advisor Group (MAAG) assumes responsibility,
from the French, for training South Vietnamese forces. Historians,
of which Ann Coulter is not one, date this as the beginning of the
slippery slope.

Revisionist historians, perhaps. Eisenhower did what he had to do to
honor treaties. Kennedy escalated. Johnson really escalated. Nixon
ended the war.


Nixon ended the war after another 6 years of escalation.... 1968-1974... the
Nixon years..