tommyknocker wrote:

Dan wrote:

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:01:17 -0500, bug wrote:


I'm an American from Southwestern Ohio who believes that more than 50%
of the U.S. population is stupid.

Unfortunately for you, you are the minority. Thus what you think
doesn't count.

Dan


Clue: the Constitution was written to protect the rights of the
*minority* and to protect the opinions of the minority from being
brutally silenced by government or "King Mob". The relentless
demonization by the far right wing of anybody who doesn't see the world
exactly as they do is dangerous and could lead to the junking of the
Constitution in the name of "security".

While I understand your concern, one has to bear in mind that the Constitution is not a
suicide pact.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:29 pm, Dan posted to
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:08:55 -0800, tommyknocker
wrote:


Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the
California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just
barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush
despite all his failings

Why? Bush has fewer "failings" than Kerry. It was an easy choice.

The fact that the Left in America *still* doesn't get it is
astonishing. I'm hoping that they continue down their path to
irrelevance and nominate Hillary in 2008.


There is no left in the USA or at least no left with any sort of following.
Compared to other world democracies, the 2 main parties are right and
further right. Left=social democratic parties.

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:57 am, dxAce posted to
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Texas does not have the ability to be evil. Texas is an inanimate object.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Actually, it is not really an object except in the abstract sense. It is a
another of the set of boundaries that partition the world. It is a place.
I don't know that a place is an object. It's more like an idea or a dream
(in the sense of a goal, not in the sleeping-dreaming sense)

In a race, you can get 1st place. That is not an object. It is an
abstraction, a description. Texas is like 1st place (I think it is your
largest state, or maybe it's Alaska, in which case Texas would be like 2nd
place). Oh okay, I'll shut up now.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:36 am, dxAce posted to
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I have no idea what is going on in the Ukraine, but I think to compare the
Ukraine to the USA is a bit much.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Ukraine tried to have a legit election but the incumbent president did rig
it. I've heard reports from observers that stated eye witness accounts of
things like: extra ballot boxes showing up at a polling station (i.e.,
there are more boxes present when counting than were present when voting
was going on), more that 100% of a constituency or poll accounted for in
votes counted, hiding and stealing of ballot boxes. The witness quoted was
a Canadian member of parliament whose name I can't recall.

So no, the US election was not like that. Ukraine used paper ballots and
made X's, no computer machine voting nor hole punching. I don't think there
were any allegations like the 4 years ago issues with Florida in the USA
election, at least none reported that I have heard.

"RHF" wrote in message
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= = = tommyknocker wrote in message
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Brian Hill wrote:


"tommyknocker" wrote in message
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I was listening to the BBC tonight (0300 Nov 25) and they had
a long
report on whether or not the Ukraine is headed for a civil
war. Their
presidential election was rigged by Russia, and nobody in
Ukraine is
accepting the "winner". The US has said that it will not
accept the
"winner". There are massive demonstrations there, the squares
are filled
with people all day and all night, and the "loser" is calling
for a
general strike. Why do the Ukrainians have more courage than
the
Americans? America has had TWO rigged presidential elections
in a row
and nobody is protesting-sure they're grumbling, but there are
no
massive demonstrations and general strikes. Why isn't there a
civil war
in America over America's rigged presidential elections? Why
wasn't
there one in 2000? Are Americans too weak and stupid to
recognize when
they've been had? Hats off to the Ukranians-they understand
democracy.
Americans apparently don't.



Are election worked just fine. This is the second time that I've
noticed you
hinting that Americans are stupid. So why don't you be fair and
tell us just
were your from?
B.H.

Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the
California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for
Kerry-just
barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush
despite all his failings. Either they're just as stupid and evil
as he
is, or there was massive fraud.



TK,

Did you ever think that all the 'stupidity' and 'evilness'
that you see in others is simply a reflection of your own
state of being. One Wonders ?

God Bless America ~ RHF

Reminds me of an old quote, from 1972. Can't remember who
said it, but it's rather telling: "I can't believe Nixon won!!
All my friends voted for McGovern!!"

--Mike L.

"uncle arnie" -mex. wrote in
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:57 am, dxAce posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM

snip


Texas does not have the ability to be evil. Texas is an inanimate
object.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Actually, it is not really an object except in the abstract sense.
It is a
another of the set of boundaries that partition the world. It is a
place.
I don't know that a place is an object. It's more like an idea or a
dream
(in the sense of a goal, not in the sleeping-dreaming sense)

In a race, you can get 1st place. That is not an object. It is an
abstraction, a description. Texas is like 1st place (I think it is
your
largest state, or maybe it's Alaska, in which case Texas would be
like 2nd
place). Oh okay, I'll shut up now.

Ah, another Cliff Claven!! Brother!!

--Mike L.

uncle arnie wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:29 pm, Dan posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:08:55 -0800, tommyknocker
wrote:


Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the
California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just
barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush
despite all his failings

Why? Bush has fewer "failings" than Kerry. It was an easy choice.

The fact that the Left in America *still* doesn't get it is
astonishing. I'm hoping that they continue down their path to
irrelevance and nominate Hillary in 2008.


There is no left in the USA or at least no left with any sort of following.
Compared to other world democracies, the 2 main parties are right and
further right. Left=social democratic parties.

Well no, there's nothing in America like the Social Democrat parties in
Europe. There's no Labor party, no Socialist party, no Populist party.
It's been noted that neither George W. Bush nor John Kerry would be
considered to run any party in Europe, even conservative parties. In
America, the person that gets elected is the person who spends the most
on advertising. There's no public funding of campaigns. So only
millionaires and billionaires get elected to public office, since
they're the only ones who can afford to run, and of course they look out
for their own-birds of a feather flocking together-which may be one
reason why the US is increasingly turning fascist or pseudo-fascist. All
the celebrities who get elected have tons of money or know where to get
it. Charisma counts for a lot in US elections. California voters
actually held a special election to throw out an uncharismatic career
politician named Gray Davis, and elected Arnold Schwarzenegger in his
place. Al Gore's lack of charisma, especially compared to Bush's down on
the ranch good ole boy cowboy folksiness, probably cost him the 2000
election. Anyway, no party truly represents the working class for stated
reasons, that and the working class are easily led to support people and
policies that are actually detrimental to them (something that wouldn't
happen in Europe). Campaigns today are run on who is more moral,
something that Europeans would find laughably quaint. The American
working class is a lot less accepting of radical ideas than the workers
of Europe.




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I know a guy (I have known him via the interner for over five years) via
the internet in Cork,Ireland,Examiner newspaper.He is one of the big
executives/hot shots at that newspaper) I can absolutely tell you people
that over there they do not have much in the way of whom they can vote
for.For the most part,most if not all of the folks over there whom are
running for election are socialist democrats.
cuhulin

Bobby Kennedy hated his brother,John Fitzgerald Kennedy.Bobby Kennedy
wanted to be the prez.
cuhulin

"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...

it. Charisma counts for a lot in US elections. California voters
actually held a special election to throw out an uncharismatic career
politician named Gray Davis,

Entirely ignoring the fact that he got elected in the first place.