On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:29 pm, Dan posted to
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:08:55 -0800, tommyknocker
wrote:


Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the
California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just
barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush
despite all his failings

Why? Bush has fewer "failings" than Kerry. It was an easy choice.

The fact that the Left in America *still* doesn't get it is
astonishing. I'm hoping that they continue down their path to
irrelevance and nominate Hillary in 2008.


There is no left in the USA or at least no left with any sort of following.
Compared to other world democracies, the 2 main parties are right and
further right. Left=social democratic parties.

uncle arnie wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:29 pm, Dan posted to
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:08:55 -0800, tommyknocker
wrote:


Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the
California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just
barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush
despite all his failings

Why? Bush has fewer "failings" than Kerry. It was an easy choice.

The fact that the Left in America *still* doesn't get it is
astonishing. I'm hoping that they continue down their path to
irrelevance and nominate Hillary in 2008.


There is no left in the USA or at least no left with any sort of following.
Compared to other world democracies, the 2 main parties are right and
further right. Left=social democratic parties.

Well no, there's nothing in America like the Social Democrat parties in
Europe. There's no Labor party, no Socialist party, no Populist party.
It's been noted that neither George W. Bush nor John Kerry would be
considered to run any party in Europe, even conservative parties. In
America, the person that gets elected is the person who spends the most
on advertising. There's no public funding of campaigns. So only
millionaires and billionaires get elected to public office, since
they're the only ones who can afford to run, and of course they look out
for their own-birds of a feather flocking together-which may be one
reason why the US is increasingly turning fascist or pseudo-fascist. All
the celebrities who get elected have tons of money or know where to get
it. Charisma counts for a lot in US elections. California voters
actually held a special election to throw out an uncharismatic career
politician named Gray Davis, and elected Arnold Schwarzenegger in his
place. Al Gore's lack of charisma, especially compared to Bush's down on
the ranch good ole boy cowboy folksiness, probably cost him the 2000
election. Anyway, no party truly represents the working class for stated
reasons, that and the working class are easily led to support people and
policies that are actually detrimental to them (something that wouldn't
happen in Europe). Campaigns today are run on who is more moral,
something that Europeans would find laughably quaint. The American
working class is a lot less accepting of radical ideas than the workers
of Europe.




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I know a guy (I have known him via the interner for over five years) via
the internet in Cork,Ireland,Examiner newspaper.He is one of the big
executives/hot shots at that newspaper) I can absolutely tell you people
that over there they do not have much in the way of whom they can vote
for.For the most part,most if not all of the folks over there whom are
running for election are socialist democrats.
cuhulin

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:17 pm, posted
to rec.radio.shortwave: %MM

I know a guy (I have known him via the interner for over five years) via
the internet in Cork,Ireland,Examiner newspaper.He is one of the big
executives/hot shots at that newspaper) I can absolutely tell you people
that over there they do not have much in the way of whom they can vote
for.For the most part,most if not all of the folks over there whom are
running for election are socialist democrats.
cuhulin

I'm thinking your name is pronounced "Colin".

The term is "social" not "socialist". I don't think anyone has much to vote
for. The politicians and parties everywhere are polling all the time and
they bring out policies that reflect the popular will, not fresh ideas from
the politicians or any sort of ideology. Then what tips the balance is the
personality of the candidate, charisma and that sort of thing. Instead of
electing great people, celebrities are elected. And multinational
companies and various interests (e.g., agriculture) push hard - lobbying.
Democracy everywhere is not improving IMHO.

Pronounced,CATTLE RAID OF COOLEY.
cuhulin

"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...

it. Charisma counts for a lot in US elections. California voters
actually held a special election to throw out an uncharismatic career
politician named Gray Davis,

Entirely ignoring the fact that he got elected in the first place.