Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky

Lucky wrote:

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Well, many overseas buyers (not in USA) may have someone in the USA whom the
seller can ship to and then the intermediary ships to the buyer overseas.

A real no-brainer.

dace
Michigan
USA

"Lucky" wrote in message
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[snip]


I tell her listen, he broke the rules.

Yeah, but it's her rule, not Ebay's rule.

I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

How do you know he didn't respect the instructions in the ad? An overseas
bidder could have the item shipped to a third party in the US and that third
party could ship it to him. Or, he might be a regular traveler to here and
he might have picked it up.



Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?

I dunno. I'm not a lawyer nor an Ebay expert. But, if you're going to ask
someone to punish her, you'll be asking them to punish her for not limiting
herself to her own restriction.


It just doesn't seem right to me.

Her restriction probably didn't seem right to the Japanese bidder. After
all, his money is a good as anyone else's. Maybe the seller restricted
herself to domestic bidders because she didn't want to deal with the hassle
of overseas shipping. Maybe the Japanese bidder was understanding and made
it easy for her.



Thanks for any replies
Lucky

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

[snip]


I tell her listen, he broke the rules.

Yeah, but it's her rule, not Ebay's rule.


But it is Ebay's rule to be honest and honor your auction properly and all
instructions in it. So if she says she ships overseas but tells the winner
sorry, I don't want to ship to Japan, is that her rule too and not Ebays?

I figure I don't have a leg to stand on with this but I should have. By her
own admission she told me she "didn't know" a overseas bidder won the
auction. I guess she lied to me then.

If I offered her the same money he did, and she knows he can be disqualified
since the auction said "Ships to US ONLY" 3 times, she would have taken me
up on my offer.

Now she could of told me I gave him persmission to bid but she didn't cause
she felt she did something wrong. Instead she thanked me for "alerting me"
to this. IMO, she should have amended the ad since Ebay states, "these
auctions are like a contract" and you must "honor them" and said overseas
bidders welcome. Then I wouldn't have bid.




I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the
ad.
She said she would get back to me.

How do you know he didn't respect the instructions in the ad? An overseas
bidder could have the item shipped to a third party in the US and that
third
party could ship it to him. Or, he might be a regular traveler to here
and
he might have picked it up.

Frank, this I don't know. You may be right.


Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?

I dunno. I'm not a lawyer nor an Ebay expert. But, if you're going to
ask
someone to punish her, you'll be asking them to punish her for not
limiting
herself to her own restriction.

I disagree. She didn't changed the info on the auction. How many times do we
see bidders cancel their bid when the seller makes a change to the auction?
Many times. If she made the change, I would have retracted my bid. Then the
item wouldn't have sold for so much since there was only 3 bidders.

It just doesn't seem right to me.

Her restriction probably didn't seem right to the Japanese bidder. After
all, his money is a good as anyone else's. Maybe the seller restricted
herself to domestic bidders because she didn't want to deal with the
hassle
of overseas shipping.


Well yeah, Most sellers don't want the added risk of shipping overseas and
filling out customs papers.

Maybe the Japanese bidder was understanding and made
it easy for her.

Perhaps he did. But I still feel I am right.
She changed the info in the Ebay contract but didn't let the other bidders
and potential bidders know about this. Plus she must of lied to me. This
whole world is going down the drain. No one has morals or feel the need to
do the right things in life anymore. It's all about "how do I come out on
top no matter what". The ends justify the means is par for the course now.

Anyway thanks for the feedback Frank.



Thanks for any replies
Lucky

Lucky wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

[snip]


I tell her listen, he broke the rules.

Yeah, but it's her rule, not Ebay's rule.

But it is Ebay's rule to be honest and honor your auction properly and all
instructions in it. So if she says she ships overseas but tells the winner
sorry, I don't want to ship to Japan, is that her rule too and not Ebays?

I figure I don't have a leg to stand on with this but I should have. By her
own admission she told me she "didn't know" a overseas bidder won the
auction. I guess she lied to me then.

If I offered her the same money he did, and she knows he can be disqualified
since the auction said "Ships to US ONLY" 3 times, she would have taken me
up on my offer.

Now she could of told me I gave him persmission to bid but she didn't cause
she felt she did something wrong. Instead she thanked me for "alerting me"
to this. IMO, she should have amended the ad since Ebay states, "these
auctions are like a contract" and you must "honor them" and said overseas
bidders welcome. Then I wouldn't have bid.

I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the
ad.
She said she would get back to me.

How do you know he didn't respect the instructions in the ad? An overseas
bidder could have the item shipped to a third party in the US and that
third
party could ship it to him. Or, he might be a regular traveler to here
and
he might have picked it up.

Frank, this I don't know. You may be right.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?

I dunno. I'm not a lawyer nor an Ebay expert. But, if you're going to
ask
someone to punish her, you'll be asking them to punish her for not
limiting
herself to her own restriction.

I disagree. She didn't changed the info on the auction. How many times do we
see bidders cancel their bid when the seller makes a change to the auction?
Many times. If she made the change, I would have retracted my bid. Then the
item wouldn't have sold for so much since there was only 3 bidders.

It just doesn't seem right to me.

Her restriction probably didn't seem right to the Japanese bidder. After
all, his money is a good as anyone else's. Maybe the seller restricted
herself to domestic bidders because she didn't want to deal with the
hassle
of overseas shipping.

Well yeah, Most sellers don't want the added risk of shipping overseas and
filling out customs papers.

Maybe the Japanese bidder was understanding and made
it easy for her.

Perhaps he did. But I still feel I am right.
She changed the info in the Ebay contract but didn't let the other bidders
and potential bidders know about this. Plus she must of lied to me. This
whole world is going down the drain. No one has morals or feel the need to
do the right things in life anymore. It's all about "how do I come out on
top no matter what". The ends justify the means is par for the course now.

Anyway thanks for the feedback Frank.

You got outbid...

Get over it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that you
were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting the
item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK
I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky

"patgkz" wrote in message
...
Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that
you were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting
the item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky




No that's not the real reason I'm mad. You see, it wouldn't have bid up that
high but these collectors from Japan are willing to pay crazy prices for
certain radios. If I saw that the auction was for overseas bidders too, I
would have passed on it right from the start cause I knew what happened
would happen and it did.

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win it but
would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and followed
her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US ONLY I will
ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.

Thanks for the reply
Lucky

Lucky wrote:

"patgkz" wrote in message
...
Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that
you were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting
the item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky




No that's not the real reason I'm mad. You see, it wouldn't have bid up that
high but these collectors from Japan are willing to pay crazy prices for
certain radios. If I saw that the auction was for overseas bidders too, I
would have passed on it right from the start cause I knew what happened
would happen and it did.

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win it but
would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and followed
her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US ONLY I will
ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.

How do you know she didn't 'follow her contract' you stupid 'tard? The buyer may
very well have had someone here in the USA to ship to.

Stop your incessant whining.

Absolutely boggling.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Lucky wrote:

"patgkz" wrote in message
...
Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that
you were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting
the item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky




No that's not the real reason I'm mad. You see, it wouldn't have bid up that
high but these collectors from Japan are willing to pay crazy prices for
certain radios. If I saw that the auction was for overseas bidders too, I
would have passed on it right from the start cause I knew what happened
would happen and it did.

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win it but
would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and followed
her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US ONLY I will
ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.

What is your auction ID? I want to make sure I block you in advance.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Lucky wrote:
"patgkz" wrote in message
...

Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that
you were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting
the item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky




No that's not the real reason I'm mad. You see, it wouldn't have bid up that
high but these collectors from Japan are willing to pay crazy prices for
certain radios.

And that is their perogative.

If I saw that the auction was for overseas bidders too, I
would have passed on it right from the start cause I knew what happened
would happen and it did.

And you would be no better/worse off than you are now. So quit whinning
and except the fact you were out bid and the seller has the absolute
right to sell to that bidder no matter where the bidder is located.
You obviously didn't want the item as bad as the winning bidder or you
would have bid more.

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win it but
would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and followed
her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US ONLY I will
ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.

So would you be just as ****ed if someone from the US outbid you? Not
bidding on an item you want just because the seller will ship world wide
is a foolish stand to take. Bid anyway, you just might win and if you
don't then it just means someone else was willing to pay more than you.
Saying she would not ship outside the US is not a contract. She has the
right to change her mind at any time. You need to get over it.