"uncle arnie" wrote in
Can't understand how this simple lesson is not learned.

In a geo-strategic oil producing location such as Uzbekistan it is
absolutely vital to the interests of the U.S.
The alternative is a stranglehold by Communist China and its ally Russia.

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Li,Chanchun wrote:

"uncle arnie" wrote in
Can't understand how this simple lesson is not learned.

In a geo-strategic oil producing location such as Uzbekistan it is
absolutely vital to the interests of the U.S.
The alternative is a stranglehold by Communist China and its ally Russia.




Right. We back a despot who gets overthown by an Islamists mob who
hats us becuase we backed the guy that opressed them. That's what
happened in Iran. The Islamists started with the Muslim Brotherhood
in Egypt (see google) for similar reasons, without our help. The MB
tought OBL who to hate.

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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m

Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.

Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
Li,Chanchun wrote:

"uncle arnie" wrote in
Can't understand how this simple lesson is not learned.

In a geo-strategic oil producing location such as Uzbekistan it is
absolutely vital to the interests of the U.S.
The alternative is a stranglehold by Communist China and its ally Russia.




Right. We back a despot who gets overthown by an Islamists mob who
hats us becuase we backed the guy that opressed them. That's what
happened in Iran. The Islamists started with the Muslim Brotherhood
in Egypt (see google) for similar reasons, without our help. The MB
tought OBL who to hate.


No. Iran's problems started with the colonial predecessor, the British who
overthrew the gov't that looked like it was heading toward democracy and
installed the shah. The US took up the banner.

You forgot to say that the CIA trained bin Laden.

The expedient definition of a gov't worth supporting, and the contrasting
claim to bring freedom and democracy to others with very similar gov'ts by
overthrow, invasion or destabilization looks pretty two-faced. And it
creates grave risks for us all even if it appears to work in the short
term.

"uncle arnie" wrote

You forgot to say that the CIA trained bin Laden.


Another internet myth that refuses to die.

In article ,
Li,Chanchun wrote:

"uncle arnie" wrote

You forgot to say that the CIA trained bin Laden.


Another internet myth that refuses to die.




Agreed. During the Anti-soviet era OBL was a funds raiser, a
recruiter and later used his experience in the family construction
business to build the cave fortresses we hear about. Some of that was
front-line work and he earned his chops and impressed the fighters.
Essentially all western aid to the mujahideen was done through the PAK
secret service (at PAK's insistance) and most Afghanis and mujahideen
to this day think they kicked the Russians out by themselves with aid
only from Arab and Muslim assistance.

When SH invaded Kuwait OBL went to the the Saudi Royals and asked to
be allowed (and funded) to oust SH (an unbeliever) from Kuwait
(believers) without the help of the Americans who he disliked but had
not attacked, yet. Saudis allowd US into the the Muslim holy land and
OBL went on the warpath against Americans and declared the Saudi royal
family to be unbelievers and started to attack them, and us.

BTW: Under Bush we've pulled out of SA. The terrorist think they'v won
that battle.

Source: _Ghostwars : the secret history of the CIA, Afghanistan, and
bin Laden, from the Soviet invasion to September 10, 2001_
by Coll, Steve.

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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m

Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.

Al Dykes wrote:

Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.

Typical loser...

How many times have you, and those who hold your ridiculous beliefs backed the
losing team?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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dxAce wrote:

Al Dykes wrote:

Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.

Typical loser...

How many times have you, and those who hold your ridiculous beliefs backed the
losing team?

Some people around here still have Kerry / Edwards bumper stickers on
their cars.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

Li,Chanchun wrote:


"uncle arnie" wrote in
Can't understand how this simple lesson is not learned.

In a geo-strategic oil producing location such as Uzbekistan it is
absolutely vital to the interests of the U.S.
The alternative is a stranglehold by Communist China and its ally Russia.

China and Russia are not allies.

Interests of the US will be damaged in the long run by supporting such
regimes.

uncle arnie wrote:
Li,Chanchun wrote:


"uncle arnie" wrote in

Can't understand how this simple lesson is not learned.

In a geo-strategic oil producing location such as Uzbekistan it is
absolutely vital to the interests of the U.S.
The alternative is a stranglehold by Communist China and its ally Russia.


China and Russia are not allies.

Interests of the US will be damaged in the long run by supporting such
regimes.


Look at Haiti. The US backed dictator Papa Doc Duvalier and his successor son
for about THIRTY years. They were monsters. Just a little while ago, they put
the ELECTED leader Aristide, at gunpoint, on a plane to France. Go figure.


mike

"uncle arnie" wrote

China and Russia are not allies.


Really? You don't read enough. Perhaps the largest ever joint military
exercise scheduled between these two countries in the Pacific this summer
will convice you otherwise. They are certainly not US allies.


Interests of the US will be damaged in the long run by supporting such
regimes.

Just as the US supports China economically?