wrote:

I (and I'm sure others) have found time and time again that webfeeds of
various broadcasters fail, when listening counts most --- during a
national emergency. Being able to quickly scale up to handle a large
number of listeners is very important. Of course, shortwave doesn't
have such fan-out issues...

I tried both the BBC website and the URL you listed to no avail.

There's a report in this thread that the phone system was shut down,
since cell phones are used as detonator timers. If the internet lines
were shut down, that would explain why BBC online was unreachable. Maybe
after having four bombs go off in central London near Bush House, BBC
management will start beefing up shortwave BBCWS and other over the air
BBC services? I hope they're getting a firsthand lesson on how
unreliable their much vaunted internet technology is when it's needed
most. It's hard to believe that the original purpose of the internet was
to create a communication network capable of surviving a nuclear war. A
few guys with bombs can overload it. Imagine what blowing up the
buildings housing the root servers could do.


Joel Rubin wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:33:30 +1200, CeeTee wrote:

Just reported, many explosions happening, more to follow..

1) While I was able to listen to BBC Radio 4 (the talk station) on
line with my saved Real Audio .ram file, the normal way to listen is
via a pop up window on their website and I was unable to connect to
their web site.

So for most people, BBC radio on line was NOT reachable.

Here is the pointer for realaudio:

rtsp://rmlivev8.bbc.net.uk/farm/*/ev7/live24/radio4/live/r4_dsat_g2.ra



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"running dogg" wrote

There's a report in this thread that the phone system was shut down,
since cell phones are used as detonator timers.

Cell phones systems can be "shutdown" independant of landline phone systems
if that is so desired.

If the internet lines
were shut down, that would explain why BBC online was unreachable.

It is more likely that they were simply overwhelmed.

Maybe
after having four bombs go off in central London near Bush House, BBC
management will start beefing up shortwave BBCWS and other over the air
BBC services? I hope they're getting a firsthand lesson on how
unreliable their much vaunted internet technology is when it's needed
most.

A few more disasteroius incidents like this should make them come around if
they have any sense at all.

It's hard to believe that the original purpose of the internet was
to create a communication network capable of surviving a nuclear war. A
few guys with bombs can overload it. Imagine what blowing up the
buildings housing the root servers could do.

The TCP/IP network is the most robust communications network in wide use
today.
It was designed to be able to automatically route traffic around "damaged"
fabric. If
servers need to be "bomb proof" they are mirrored and located at
geographically
diverse locations so that if one server takes a hit the other(s) will
survive. That is the
idea. Whether or not the now "public" non-military internet practices such
mission
critical diversity is another matter.

Panopticon wrote:

"running dogg" wrote

There's a report in this thread that the phone system was shut down,
since cell phones are used as detonator timers.

Cell phones systems can be "shutdown" independant of landline phone systems
if that is so desired.

If the internet lines
were shut down, that would explain why BBC online was unreachable.

It is more likely that they were simply overwhelmed.

Hey, I was just throwing out a theory. Your idea is better though, the
always ubiquitous gremlin of "net congestion". Net congestion happens
all the time on normal days. Of course, if your connection suffers from
net congestion, your feed will abruptly cut off for "buffering" and/or
it will gradually degrade until it starts sounding like BBs rattling
around in a soup can. In the worst case scenario, the feed will simply
shut down and refuse to function completely. Over the air radio doesn't
have these problems, of course.

Maybe
after having four bombs go off in central London near Bush House, BBC
management will start beefing up shortwave BBCWS and other over the air
BBC services? I hope they're getting a firsthand lesson on how
unreliable their much vaunted internet technology is when it's needed
most.

A few more disasteroius incidents like this should make them come around if
they have any sense at all.

A very big if. BBC suits have shown absolutely no glimmer of sense.
Neither has the VOA, which is run by a guy who thinks that Eminem can
win the war on terror. The utter failure of Sawa/Farda in preventing
terror attacks should be enough reason to can Pattiz.

It's hard to believe that the original purpose of the internet was
to create a communication network capable of surviving a nuclear war. A
few guys with bombs can overload it. Imagine what blowing up the
buildings housing the root servers could do.

The TCP/IP network is the most robust communications network in wide use
today.
It was designed to be able to automatically route traffic around "damaged"
fabric. If
servers need to be "bomb proof" they are mirrored and located at
geographically
diverse locations so that if one server takes a hit the other(s) will
survive. That is the
idea. Whether or not the now "public" non-military internet practices such
mission
critical diversity is another matter.

Your robust communications network may work fine overall, but if too
many people try jamming on to one site that area quickly goes down. The
network is only as robust as the servers which comprise it, and those
servers keep going down in times of greatest need. Radio Australia's
webfeed went down after the tsunami hit, and RA was playing cricket
matches as the horror unfolded.


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Maggie

Married Irish woman,she lives in Bognor Regis,England (about sixty five
miles South/Southwest of London) with her Irish hubby www.fethard.com
I emailed her ass at about 5:00 AM yesterday morning.She better up and
say something to me!
cuhulin

If you want to see what a bus blown up by terrorists looks like, you
can see a film from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs at

http://w3.castup.net/mfa/terror.htm

Undoubtedly the most obscene site on the internet, complete with
explicit severed limbs. Not recommended within 12 hours either way of
lunch.

"CeeTee" wrote in message
...
Just reported, many explosions happening, more to follow..

It should be rather curious to see, if with all the surveillance cameras
in and around London, they managed to capture any of the bomb
susbects from the North London Central Mosque in Finsbury Park
on video. Abu Hamza must be whacking off right about
now with much happiness..?

The UK National ID Card: http://eclectech.co.uk/clarkeidcards.php

The best description however I've seen
in an 'adjacent' newsgroup was this true gem of wisdom:

(to quote)

"Semolina Pilchard" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:23:22 -0400, Justme®
wrote:

6 explosions, 2 confirmed dead so far, about 90 injured.

A mere minor annoyance. If that's the best Al Quaida can do they're
in need of further lessons from the IRA.

Of course the real source of the problem is (a) the stupidity of
holding the G8 summit here and (b) moving every breathing policeman to
the vicinity of Gleneagles to protect these pampered worthless ****s -
and then telling every **** what they're doing.

It's a sure sign of a senior policeman or a top-ranking politician
that they cannot deal with more than one idea at a time.

I suggest that now that they've made summits such a ****ing circus
that they attract terrorists like ****e attracts flies, that they
should hold the next one at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.
Without life support.

If our terminally stupid leaders had concentrated on dealing with
terrorism instead of having oil adventures in Iraq, we'd have been on
top of this nonsense long ago. Each and every one of the ****ers
should be broken on the wheel on prime time television.
--
Sem

Apologies if anyone was offended by my quoting the above musings from
another NG. No bad intent was meant or implied as it is an example of
x-treme sarcasm which I recognized and read which others obviously do
not. (just try and not take things so seriously just like that which is
spoken on shortwave on a daily basis)

Roger - High Epopt 58=B0
Church Of The Holy Bowlsplash
Keeper of the Sacred Rubber Flappervalve of Planet-X (Made in China)


Church of The Holy Bowlsplash wrote:
"CeeTee" wrote in message
...
Just reported, many explosions happening, more to follow..

It should be rather curious to see, if with all the surveillance cameras
in and around London, they managed to capture any of the bomb
susbects from the North London Central Mosque in Finsbury Park
on video. Abu Hamza must be whacking off right about
now with much happiness..?

The UK National ID Card: http://eclectech.co.uk/clarkeidcards.php

The best description however I've seen
in an 'adjacent' newsgroup was this true gem of wisdom:

(to quote)

"Semolina Pilchard" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:23:22 -0400, Justme=AE
wrote:

6 explosions, 2 confirmed dead so far, about 90 injured.

A mere minor annoyance. If that's the best Al Quaida can do they're
in need of further lessons from the IRA.

Of course the real source of the problem is (a) the stupidity of
holding the G8 summit here and (b) moving every breathing policeman to
the vicinity of Gleneagles to protect these pampered worthless ****s -
and then telling every **** what they're doing.

It's a sure sign of a senior policeman or a top-ranking politician
that they cannot deal with more than one idea at a time.

I suggest that now that they've made summits such a ****ing circus
that they attract terrorists like ****e attracts flies, that they
should hold the next one at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.
Without life support.

If our terminally stupid leaders had concentrated on dealing with
terrorism instead of having oil adventures in Iraq, we'd have been on
top of this nonsense long ago. Each and every one of the ****ers
should be broken on the wheel on prime time television.
--=20
Sem

I suspect bush and blair in that London stuff.
cuhulin

bush was leaning so far over in London,he was about to bust his bicycle
nose again.Then,they went back to Glen Eagles and started sucking each
other off again.
cuhulin