beerbarrel wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:33:52 -0500, "Count Floyd"
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:41:48 UTC, beerbarrel
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:31:02 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



Joel Rubin wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:33:36 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc

John

Code ability should be one alternative among other technical tests. It
seems very odd to freeze a technical test in a museum of bygone
technology.

If one cannot learn at least a minimal 5 WPM code then they have absolutely no
business obtaining an amateur license.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Agreed!
Then you should also learn how to ride a horse in order to deliver the
mail on time.


That's apples to oranges....Cw is the most efficient form of
communication in ham radio...

But it is used by nobody other than a small handfull of hams talking to
one another.

Count:

Give up, these guys are beyond grasping the concept, they cannot or
will not even attempt to realize what fools they look, amazing but
proven true by their own words...

John

"Count Floyd" wrote in message
news:uPwrWwC05r1j-pn2-8dG301gWvHdw@localhost...
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:41:48 UTC, beerbarrel
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:31:02 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



Joel Rubin wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:33:36 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc

John

Code ability should be one alternative among other technical
tests. It
seems very odd to freeze a technical test in a museum of bygone
technology.

If one cannot learn at least a minimal 5 WPM code then they have
absolutely no
business obtaining an amateur license.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Agreed!
Then you should also learn how to ride a horse in order to deliver
the
mail on time.

--
"What do you mean there's no movie?"

beerbarrel wrote:
On 21 Jul 2005 11:58:58 -0700, "John S." wrote:



beerbarrel wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:29:37 -0400, Cmdr Buzz Corey
wrote:

John S. wrote:


Yes, or require that prospective drivers be proficient in the use of a
buggy whip in addition to passing a written and practical driving test.


If they are going to drive a buggy, it might be a good idea.



Maybe we should just drop the driving test altogether...well start
with your kids.

And that's the point. The written and practical drivers test is a
measure of whether a prospective driver knows something about the law
and theory of driving and has some proficiency in the operation of a
motor vehicle.

The written amateur test proves that the owner has some knowlege of the
theory of radio construction and operation.

The morse code test only tests the ability to translate a language for
which there is no practical use. It does not shed any light on the
ability if the prospective ham to operate a ham radio in a safe and
courteous manner. A live on-the-air test of a prospective ham setting
up a rig and using voice or one of the digital modes would prove
something about his competence as a radio operator.

Copying morse code proves nothing.



It proves that you have basic working knowledge of a very efficient
form of communication that is used for emergency communications today
and tomorrow. It runs circles around audio communication and can be
much more effective. Under certain conditions, having the ability to
copy morse can can mean the difference between like and death.

Morse code is not used in communications of any consequence in the
western world. Try communicating in morse code to FEMA, the Hurricane
Hunters, local police, fire or medical workers and see how far you get.
Nobody will be listening.

Carter-K8VT wrote:

dxAce wrote:

If one can't learn even a minimum 5 WPM then they have no business in amateur
radio.

Could you please explain why you say that.

Because it's so EASY, that's why 'tard boy... and I don't really give a rats ass
whether or not you're a 20 WPM man anyway. Point is, if some dumbass 'tard isn't
smart enough to learn at least 5 WPM of code then he or she has no damn business
being in amateur radio.

Get the point dumb****?

Keep on trying to dumb things down... we got your number.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"John S." wrote:

beerbarrel wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:33:52 -0500, "Count Floyd"
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:41:48 UTC, beerbarrel
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:31:02 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



Joel Rubin wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:33:36 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc

John

Code ability should be one alternative among other technical tests. It
seems very odd to freeze a technical test in a museum of bygone
technology.

If one cannot learn at least a minimal 5 WPM code then they have absolutely no
business obtaining an amateur license.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Agreed!
Then you should also learn how to ride a horse in order to deliver the
mail on time.


That's apples to oranges....Cw is the most efficient form of
communication in ham radio...

But it is used by nobody other than a small handfull of hams talking to
one another.

So what? What kind of excuse is that? Are you to stupid to learn it?

It's OK if you are, just go ahead and admit it rather than trying to drag everyone and
everything down to your lazy 'tard boy level.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

beerbarrel wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:33:52 -0500, "Count Floyd"
wrote:


On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:41:48 UTC, beerbarrel
wrote:


On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:31:02 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



Joel Rubin wrote:


On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:33:36 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:


http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc

John


Code ability should be one alternative among other technical tests. It
seems very odd to freeze a technical test in a museum of bygone
technology.

If one cannot learn at least a minimal 5 WPM code then they have absolutely no
business obtaining an amateur license.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Agreed!

Then you should also learn how to ride a horse in order to deliver the
mail on time.



That's apples to oranges....Cw is the most efficient form of
communication in ham radio...




That's a truth not limited to ham radio...pilots have known that
VOR stations identify in Morse coded since the beginning of VOR. As
did/do ADF stations before them. Charts are marked with frequency,
station indentifier, and the Morse equivalent. Knowing the code
saves a lot of time and helps reduce confusion when navigating by
radio.

beerbarrel wrote:
On 21 Jul 2005 11:58:58 -0700, "John S." wrote:



beerbarrel wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:29:37 -0400, Cmdr Buzz Corey
wrote:

John S. wrote:


Yes, or require that prospective drivers be proficient in the use of a
buggy whip in addition to passing a written and practical driving test.


If they are going to drive a buggy, it might be a good idea.



Maybe we should just drop the driving test altogether...well start
with your kids.

And that's the point. The written and practical drivers test is a
measure of whether a prospective driver knows something about the law
and theory of driving and has some proficiency in the operation of a
motor vehicle.

The written amateur test proves that the owner has some knowlege of the
theory of radio construction and operation.

The morse code test only tests the ability to translate a language for
which there is no practical use. It does not shed any light on the
ability if the prospective ham to operate a ham radio in a safe and
courteous manner. A live on-the-air test of a prospective ham setting
up a rig and using voice or one of the digital modes would prove
something about his competence as a radio operator.

Copying morse code proves nothing.


break

It proves that you have basic working knowledge of a very efficient
form of communication that is used for emergency communications today
and tomorrow. It runs circles around audio communication and can be
much more effective. Under certain conditions, having the ability to
copy morse can can mean the difference between like and death.

name one?

Frankly, I don't give a rats behind about CW ability. Unless someone
is interesting to chat with, they can go take a leap.

CW masks the voice, speech inflections, emotion in the speech, etc,
etc...

CW is for anti-social ma'roons, phone is for the educated to have a
real exchange of ideas over...

Video is good too, but only if it is a lady ham and she is wearing a
thong! grin

John

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Carter-K8VT wrote:

dxAce wrote:

If one can't learn even a minimum 5 WPM then they have no
business in amateur
radio.

Could you please explain why you say that.

Because it's so EASY, that's why 'tard boy... and I don't really
give a rats ass
whether or not you're a 20 WPM man anyway. Point is, if some dumbass
'tard isn't
smart enough to learn at least 5 WPM of code then he or she has no
damn business
being in amateur radio.

Get the point dumb****?

Keep on trying to dumb things down... we got your number.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

John S.:

You will learn, logic will get you no where here, these guys simply
have a "religious bent" for CW, if feeds their ego in some weird way I
cannot fathom and makes 'em feel "special."

Give up, the sum of their combined ignorance is much larger than the
pool of logic which available...

John

"John S." wrote in message
oups.com...


beerbarrel wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:29:37 -0400, Cmdr Buzz Corey
wrote:

John S. wrote:


Yes, or require that prospective drivers be proficient in the
use of a
buggy whip in addition to passing a written and practical
driving test.


If they are going to drive a buggy, it might be a good idea.



Maybe we should just drop the driving test altogether...well start
with your kids.

And that's the point. The written and practical drivers test is a
measure of whether a prospective driver knows something about the
law
and theory of driving and has some proficiency in the operation of a
motor vehicle.

The written amateur test proves that the owner has some knowlege of
the
theory of radio construction and operation.

The morse code test only tests the ability to translate a language
for
which there is no practical use. It does not shed any light on the
ability if the prospective ham to operate a ham radio in a safe and
courteous manner. A live on-the-air test of a prospective ham
setting
up a rig and using voice or one of the digital modes would prove
something about his competence as a radio operator.

Copying morse code proves nothing.

beerbarrel wrote:
On 21 Jul 2005 12:08:56 -0700, "John S." wrote:



beerbarrel wrote:
On 21 Jul 2005 11:58:58 -0700, "John S." wrote:



beerbarrel wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:29:37 -0400, Cmdr Buzz Corey
wrote:

John S. wrote:


Yes, or require that prospective drivers be proficient in the use of a
buggy whip in addition to passing a written and practical driving test.


If they are going to drive a buggy, it might be a good idea.



Maybe we should just drop the driving test altogether...well start
with your kids.

And that's the point. The written and practical drivers test is a
measure of whether a prospective driver knows something about the law
and theory of driving and has some proficiency in the operation of a
motor vehicle.

The written amateur test proves that the owner has some knowlege of the
theory of radio construction and operation.

The morse code test only tests the ability to translate a language for
which there is no practical use. It does not shed any light on the
ability if the prospective ham to operate a ham radio in a safe and
courteous manner. A live on-the-air test of a prospective ham setting
up a rig and using voice or one of the digital modes would prove
something about his competence as a radio operator.

Copying morse code proves nothing.



It proves that you have basic working knowledge of a very efficient
form of communication that is used for emergency communications today
and tomorrow. It runs circles around audio communication and can be
much more effective. Under certain conditions, having the ability to
copy morse can can mean the difference between like and death.

Morse code is not used in communications of any consequence in the
western world. Try communicating in morse code to FEMA, the Hurricane
Hunters, local police, fire or medical workers and see how far you get.
Nobody will be listening.


Let's hope I never have to find out, but I'd much rather be safe than
sorry. Btw, do a little band surfing through the cw bands sometime and
see how many signals you get then compare it the other bands. Cw
signals will be there when audio is long gone.

At least I will know where to go when I want to hide from the Ham
radio wannabes....head to the CW areas and get out of the new CB
areas.

But surfing through the bands and finding cw only proves one thing:
That there is a small band of hams that still enjoy an early form of
semi-digital communications. None of the people that do the searching,
rescuing, faghting wars, etc., use morse code. It was THE way to
communicate under difficult conditions, but no more.