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dxAce wrote:
Because it's so EASY, that's why 'tard boy... and I don't really give a rats ass whether or not you're a 20 WPM man anyway. Point is, if some dumbass 'tard isn't smart enough to learn at least 5 WPM of code then he or she has no damn business being in amateur radio. So I guess you are saying that you don't have to be smart for moon bounce or meteor scatter...well, I can't argue with "logic" like that. Get the point dumb****? Well, at least you're consistent--the usual dx "ace" vulgar, name calling response rather than intelligently debating the issues...just like m II pointed out in his right on the mark "Journalism" post-- Ace: Yeah, but they're ninety percent 'tards, like you are you moronic screwed up CanaDUHian idiot... Well, I guess I should be thankful that you didn't call me (gasp, horror of horrors), a ...Canadian. You seem like a very angry, bitter and vulgar person, unable to carry on an intelligent debate and actually address the issues. Get help. 73, Carter K8VT |
beerbarrel wrote: On 21 Jul 2005 12:14:06 -0700, "an_old_friend" wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On 21 Jul 2005 11:58:58 -0700, "John S." wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:29:37 -0400, Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: John S. wrote: Yes, or require that prospective drivers be proficient in the use of a buggy whip in addition to passing a written and practical driving test. If they are going to drive a buggy, it might be a good idea. Maybe we should just drop the driving test altogether...well start with your kids. And that's the point. The written and practical drivers test is a measure of whether a prospective driver knows something about the law and theory of driving and has some proficiency in the operation of a motor vehicle. The written amateur test proves that the owner has some knowlege of the theory of radio construction and operation. The morse code test only tests the ability to translate a language for which there is no practical use. It does not shed any light on the ability if the prospective ham to operate a ham radio in a safe and courteous manner. A live on-the-air test of a prospective ham setting up a rig and using voice or one of the digital modes would prove something about his competence as a radio operator. Copying morse code proves nothing. break It proves that you have basic working knowledge of a very efficient form of communication that is used for emergency communications today and tomorrow. It runs circles around audio communication and can be much more effective. Under certain conditions, having the ability to copy morse can can mean the difference between like and death. name one? How about being stuck in a POW camp with no wat to communicat other than taps? which has what to do with the ARS |
beerbarrel wrote: On 21 Jul 2005 12:35:42 -0700, "John S." wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On 21 Jul 2005 12:08:56 -0700, "John S." wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On 21 Jul 2005 11:58:58 -0700, "John S." wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:29:37 -0400, Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: John S. wrote: Yes, or require that prospective drivers be proficient in the use of a buggy whip in addition to passing a written and practical driving test. If they are going to drive a buggy, it might be a good idea. Maybe we should just drop the driving test altogether...well start with your kids. And that's the point. The written and practical drivers test is a measure of whether a prospective driver knows something about the law and theory of driving and has some proficiency in the operation of a motor vehicle. The written amateur test proves that the owner has some knowlege of the theory of radio construction and operation. The morse code test only tests the ability to translate a language for which there is no practical use. It does not shed any light on the ability if the prospective ham to operate a ham radio in a safe and courteous manner. A live on-the-air test of a prospective ham setting up a rig and using voice or one of the digital modes would prove something about his competence as a radio operator. Copying morse code proves nothing. It proves that you have basic working knowledge of a very efficient form of communication that is used for emergency communications today and tomorrow. It runs circles around audio communication and can be much more effective. Under certain conditions, having the ability to copy morse can can mean the difference between like and death. Morse code is not used in communications of any consequence in the western world. Try communicating in morse code to FEMA, the Hurricane Hunters, local police, fire or medical workers and see how far you get. Nobody will be listening. Let's hope I never have to find out, but I'd much rather be safe than sorry. Btw, do a little band surfing through the cw bands sometime and see how many signals you get then compare it the other bands. Cw signals will be there when audio is long gone. At least I will know where to go when I want to hide from the Ham radio wannabes....head to the CW areas and get out of the new CB areas. But surfing through the bands and finding cw only proves one thing: That there is a small band of hams that still enjoy an early form of semi-digital communications. None of the people that do the searching, rescuing, faghting wars, etc., use morse code. It was THE way to communicate under difficult conditions, but no more. Still is and always will be John. I'm assuming that you don't know code. Would you know code from some other form of communication if you heard it? Sure, but whether I or anyone else knows it is pretty much irrelevant since there are very few practical uses for it any more. I'm not sure what you meant by: Still is and always will be. If you are saying there are rescue, search, military or other professional groups in the western world that use cw actively I would like to have a list. |
Funny you should mention the POW camp and taps...
I was just in that situation last week, quite strange the vast numbers which end up under such circumstances--yep, just lucky for me I do know CW or I wouldn't be hear to tell about it... ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John "beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On 21 Jul 2005 12:14:06 -0700, "an_old_friend" wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On 21 Jul 2005 11:58:58 -0700, "John S." wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:29:37 -0400, Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: John S. wrote: Yes, or require that prospective drivers be proficient in the use of a buggy whip in addition to passing a written and practical driving test. If they are going to drive a buggy, it might be a good idea. Maybe we should just drop the driving test altogether...well start with your kids. And that's the point. The written and practical drivers test is a measure of whether a prospective driver knows something about the law and theory of driving and has some proficiency in the operation of a motor vehicle. The written amateur test proves that the owner has some knowlege of the theory of radio construction and operation. The morse code test only tests the ability to translate a language for which there is no practical use. It does not shed any light on the ability if the prospective ham to operate a ham radio in a safe and courteous manner. A live on-the-air test of a prospective ham setting up a rig and using voice or one of the digital modes would prove something about his competence as a radio operator. Copying morse code proves nothing. break It proves that you have basic working knowledge of a very efficient form of communication that is used for emergency communications today and tomorrow. It runs circles around audio communication and can be much more effective. Under certain conditions, having the ability to copy morse can can mean the difference between like and death. name one? How about being stuck in a POW camp with no wat to communicat other than taps? |
Peter Maus wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:33:52 -0500, "Count Floyd" wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:41:48 UTC, beerbarrel wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:31:02 -0400, dxAce wrote: Joel Rubin wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:33:36 -0700, "John Smith" wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc John Code ability should be one alternative among other technical tests. It seems very odd to freeze a technical test in a museum of bygone technology. If one cannot learn at least a minimal 5 WPM code then they have absolutely no business obtaining an amateur license. dxAce Michigan USA Agreed! Then you should also learn how to ride a horse in order to deliver the mail on time. That's apples to oranges....Cw is the most efficient form of communication in ham radio... That's a truth not limited to ham radio...pilots have known that VOR stations identify in Morse coded since the beginning of VOR. As did/do ADF stations before them. Charts are marked with frequency, station indentifier, and the Morse equivalent. Knowing the code saves a lot of time and helps reduce confusion when navigating by radio. But what possible connection is there between licensing a ham for communications on 40 meters and the ability of a pilot to interpret station designators. Unless the FCC and FAA are merging and they will be offering one combined license for the amateur Hamilot |
I am agains't the FCC dropping CW requirement.I haven't learned any
CW,but I say CW requirement should stay. cuhulin |
If I can one finger hunt and peck (I do have to look up and down at my
cute little hand held Philips Magnavox webtv wireless keyboard and up at my RCA 26 inch tv screen so I don't make too many typos) then I should be able to learn CW.UP the FCC!!! Sideways!!! cuhulin |
If folks can't learn how to spell properly,they should not have access
to the internet.What does that have to do with CW? I don't know,but I think it makes some kind of a point,whatever.Computers are Radios and computers conversing with other computers are Transceiver Radios.Typing this right now,I am wirelessly (my wireless keyboard) transmitting via a glorified Transceiver Radio.OK,let the arguments begin. cuhulin |
Hey, get a clue, if he doesn't have a license right now--he shortly
will when CW has been dropped!!! ROFLOL!!! Don't ya hope he doesn't off freq one kc on your QSO and have a go? John "beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On 21 Jul 2005 13:12:53 -0700, "John S." wrote: Peter Maus wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:33:52 -0500, "Count Floyd" wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:41:48 UTC, beerbarrel wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:31:02 -0400, dxAce wrote: Joel Rubin wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:33:36 -0700, "John Smith" wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc John Code ability should be one alternative among other technical tests. It seems very odd to freeze a technical test in a museum of bygone technology. If one cannot learn at least a minimal 5 WPM code then they have absolutely no business obtaining an amateur license. dxAce Michigan USA Agreed! Then you should also learn how to ride a horse in order to deliver the mail on time. That's apples to oranges....Cw is the most efficient form of communication in ham radio... That's a truth not limited to ham radio...pilots have known that VOR stations identify in Morse coded since the beginning of VOR. As did/do ADF stations before them. Charts are marked with frequency, station indentifier, and the Morse equivalent. Knowing the code saves a lot of time and helps reduce confusion when navigating by radio. But what possible connection is there between licensing a ham for communications on 40 meters and the ability of a pilot to interpret station designators. Unless the FCC and FAA are merging and they will be offering one combined license for the amateur Hamilot Does not matter...you are for the removal of r=the code requirement. Whatever the reasons given, you won't accept them. Tell me, do you have a ham licence? |
Hurry, write your congressman, call 911, see if george will take your
call! ROFLOL!!! This is lovely! And, about damn time the FCC came to its senses! Your comments decry the need for fresh young minds with fresh new ideas... .... being forced to communicate with the same old dried figs on the nets has grown very tiresome! John wrote in message ... I am agains't the FCC dropping CW requirement.I haven't learned any CW,but I say CW requirement should stay. cuhulin |
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