On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:15:25 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Fri 12 Aug 2005 03:07:25p, yachtboy! wrote in
message :

If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded
9/11, why are we in Iraq?
I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points.




Think about it... Let's start at a high level and see if you can reason it to
a logical, strategic conclusion.

You want to combat and curtail radical islamic terrorism (at least) to a
tolerable level. How are you going to accomplish that?

Let's see if you can come up with anything other than DNC talking points...
That means you will likely have to use a bit of common sense and substantive
logic, rather than emotional, symbolic, vitriolic rhetoric.

-=jd=-

So the leader of our country lies to the people to get them involved
in a war that is an extreme case of "the end justifies the means"?




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"yachtboy!" wrote in message


So the leader of our country lies to the people to get them involved
in a war that is an extreme case of "the end justifies the means"?

No body lied to anyone. You just want so badly to beleive that's true. You
have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you. Your helping the enemy with your lack of faith in your
country and your president.

B.H.

You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you.

He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...???

Bruce Jensen

"bpnjensen" wrote in message
ups.com...
You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you.

He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...???

Bruce Jensen


Booo!!!

You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you.

He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...???
Bruce Jensen

Booo!!!

???

You sounded so certain of your statement, with so much authority
implied, that I just naturally assumed...

....but maybe, if we read carefully enough, we could instead assume,
based on your words, that none of us has any idea - maybe there are no
evil forces at all laughing. And perhaps our government *hasn't* been
square with us. Wouldn't be the first time, nor, I'd wager, the last.

I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he
represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God,
for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me. This, without
even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the
job. Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to
try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until
doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead.

We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their
leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist,
self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more
circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least
try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves?

That's all for me - the weekend is here. Have a good one.

Bruce Jensen

"bpnjensen" wrote in message
ups.com...
You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off
at
Americans like you.

He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...???
Bruce Jensen

Booo!!!

???

You sounded so certain of your statement, with so much authority
implied, that I just naturally assumed...

I am most certain the Osama's of the world feel just as I stated.



...but maybe, if we read carefully enough, we could instead assume,
based on your words, that none of us has any idea - maybe there are no
evil forces at all laughing.

Your wrong.

And perhaps our government *hasn't* been
square with us. Wouldn't be the first time, nor, I'd wager, the last.


No government has ever been completely square with anybody.


I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he
represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God,
for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me. This, without
even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the
job. Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to
try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until
doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead.


I don't support him on every position and frankly I support him on very
little but I do support him in regards to Iraq and the extremists Muslim or
any other fanatical group that seeks our demise.


We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their
leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist,
self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more
circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least
try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves?

That's all for me - the weekend is here. Have a good one.

Bruce Jensen


Just because some of us believe the only way to purge the planet of scum is
to kill them off doesn't mean we blindly follow our leaders.

B.H.

"bpnjensen" wrote

...but maybe, if we read carefully enough, we could instead assume,
based on your words, that none of us has any idea - maybe there are no
evil forces at all laughing. And perhaps our government *hasn't* been
square with us. Wouldn't be the first time, nor, I'd wager, the last.

http://www.dragoninthedark.com

I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he
represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God,
for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me.

That is why there is the House and Senate. By god, you are aware of them,
right?

The difference is that he was elected into office. Whether or not you
personally believe he was
elected is irrelevant unless you are a prospective dictator. Are you?.

This, without
even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the
job.

On what basis are you to judge his competency?

Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to
try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until
doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead.

Please show us the facts, not rhetoric, on exactly what points he is wrong.
I expect you to show verifiable and relevant facts from your vast
international intelligence sources. You imply that your "intelligence" is
superior.
Are you g-g-g-g-od?

We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their
leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist,
self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more
circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least
try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves?

You obviously have no clue what it is like to live under Fascism or
Communism.
But that is certainly not surprising considering the pathetic state of our
education system.
An education system that has become Socialist and conveniently omits the
history of these
hineous regimes. That is exactly what Fascist and Communist regimes do in
their "education' camps.
So in a sense, you are correct. This country is turning into a Fascist
Communist state. Unfortunately for you, your barking up the wrong tree. As
the CSNY said: "Teach your children well."

I suggest you stop reading the Left-Wing propaganda blogs and start a
library of balanced reading material consisting of books from well
respected authors. In at least a few years of intensive reading you will
have enough knowledge to at least coherently argue the President's
competency.

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 05:07:04 -0500, "SeeingEyeDog"
wrote:
You're weird.

Bush stole both elections.

If this ain't fascism, I'm a monkey's uncle.

I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he
represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God,
for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me.

That is why there is the House and Senate. By god, you are aware of them,
right?

Good! You passed your civics class. And, as I am in theory allowed to
tell my reps what to do, I may tell them to oppose the President or
support the President, depending on my opinion.

The difference is that he was elected into office. Whether or not you
personally believe he was
elected is irrelevant unless you are a prospective dictator. Are you?.

My my - you are certainly reading alot more into my statements than I
ever wrote into them. Tell me more! I am so fascinating...;-)

By the way, I seriously doubt that anyone who looks closely at the last
two elections in the US is sure of who was elected - the evidence of
either side winning is sketchy at best.

This, without even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the
job.

On what basis are you to judge his competency?

I *am* the United States, bucko, along with 300,000,000 other citizens.
In the Constitution of the US, I and my countrymen and women have the
ultimate supreme power to decide whether he is competent and whether he
deserves to be the President. I don't know what country you come from,
but here in America *we the people* ARE the basis for judging the
competency of our leaders.

What I am not in control of, however, is whether the rest of my
countrymen pay enough attention or think critically enough to make an
informed decision, or whether they just knee-jerk react to the
demegoguery of the seemingly endless parade of fools that purport to be
the leaders of this planet. Most of the characters on this newsgroup
seem to indicate the latter.

Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to
try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until
doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead.

Please show us the facts, not rhetoric, on exactly what points he is wrong.

First off, I don't owe you ANYTHING - it's your job to figure out these
things on your own.

Second, I have yet to see a *fact* come from the White House that they
can verify - mostly it's been a smokescreen of thick oily haze. They
are ones who owe us. Extraordinary claims, which they have made to
justify their war, deserve extraordinary evidence. So far, no good.

And sure as hell, logic is not our president's friend.

I expect you to show verifiable and relevant facts from your vast
international intelligence sources. You imply that your "intelligence" is
superior.

You expect? And who are you, Mr.SeeingEyeDog?

I imply nothing. I say that the government has gone to no substantive
lengths to show that their Iraq war is justified, and I am still
waiting.

Are you g-g-g-g-od?

Are you stupid? Jeez, what a nut.

We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their
leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist,
self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more
circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least
try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves?

You obviously have no clue what it is like to live under Fascism or
Communism.

And you do? Do tell...

You blithering idiot - you have no idea, NO IDEA, based on my posts,
what my knowledge base is. I stand by my original statement - when a
leader leads a nation down a pathway upon which history casts doubt, it
is the duty of the rank and file to question and challenge that leader
to do the right thing and, if necessary, cast him aside in favor of one
who will do what is right. It doesn't matter whether it is Fascism or
Communism or Idi Aminism or Howdy-Doody-ism.

Contrary to what you seem to infer from these posts, I do not imply
anything like overthrow. I am a solid Constitutionalist, including all
the rights - ALL of them - that the Conservatives in the US like to
support or denounce, depending on their mood. I can wait unitl it's
time to throw the bum out legally.

But that is certainly not surprising considering the pathetic state of our
education system.

So how do you come by your expert knowledge?

An education system that has become Socialist and conveniently omits the
history of these hineous regimes. That is exactly what Fascist and
Communist regimes do in
their "education' camps.

That's not what I learned in school - My history teachers were rabid on
showing the reckless venom of Stalinism and Fascism, and the value of
our still best Constitutional government. Don't fool yourself, Bunky,
those guys still represent, for me, the greatest villainy of all time.
Jefferson and Franklin are still my heroes. Apparently not yours,
though...sounds like you'd like to see King Georgy-Doody keep on going
for awhile

You seem to have not gotten this type of education. Where were you
brought up, Bright Boy?

So in a sense, you are correct. This country is turning into a Fascist
Communist state.

Screwball.

Unfortunately for you, your barking up the wrong tree. As
the CSNY said: "Teach your children well."

Hollow opinions, like so much on the internet.

I suggest you stop reading the Left-Wing propaganda blogs

Never read 'em

and start a
library of balanced reading material consisting of books from well
respected authors.

Such as - Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity? All your favorites?
Name a couple. Must be balanced now - not just Republican retards
(like Snakewoman - you know who).

How about that stalwart of liberalism, who had opposed the Iraq war at
every turn and has provided excellent rational for doing so -Pat
Buchanan? Or wil you conveniently exclude him?

Exactly who in hell are you talking about?

In at least a few years of intensive reading you will
have enough knowledge to at least coherently argue the President's
competency.

Why, in the end, should I bother, when all I have to go up against is
the likes of you?

And yes, dammit, Bush is incompetent.

Bruce Jensen