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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:37:40 +0100, "The Magnum Dickum"
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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The Magnum wrote:

Americans enslaved blacks and nearly wiped out the Native Americans
because
they wanted to take the land... the wars with the north and south,
confederates and yankies were some of the nastiest and uncivilised
conflicts
in your history and you were well established as Americans at that
time
and
was not down to the British Empire.... i dont know where you learned
your
history but wherever it was.. if it was... id sue them (hope that
wasnt
too
cheap a shot)


Actually, different tribes were constantly fighting, and took slaves
when they didn't just kill them. Later, they discovered that they
could
sell or trade their slaves for things that they wanted with the ships
that arrived on the African coast to trade goods. A lot of those ships
were from England, and they took the slaves to other places to sell
them.

--
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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

So Michael, the point you make here is that the different tribes in
America
were already into slavery and used them to barter with the English for
goods
and suchlike therefore making my point that slavery wasnt a result of the
good old British Colonies... They may have been involved in the
transportation of slaves for profilt but that wasnt the point. The
previous
post said, or tried to imply it was the British Colonies that introduced
slavery where that simply wasnt the case.

Also most of the slaves who ended up in Britain werent treated quite as
badly in comparison although they probably didnt think so at the time.

Anyhows this has lead a little off topic as so many threads do, but its
nice
to actually have a converstaion about things rather than cheap insults.
Thank you..


Read for comprehension -- he said, "ships that arrived on the
African coast". Doesn't sound to NA, does it?

Comprehension is a big word for you to spell correctly, its a shame the rest
of it isnt too good... Let me say to you once more The British Empire didnt
bring slavery to America, you managed that by yourself quite sucessfully.
BTW slavery was around in the days long before the "British Empire", slavery
even today is a way of life for many people.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
The Magnum wrote:

So Michael, the point you make here is that the different tribes in
America
were already into slavery and used them to barter with the English for
goods
and suchlike therefore making my point that slavery wasnt a result of
the
good old British Colonies... They may have been involved in the
transportation of slaves for profilt but that wasnt the point. The
previous
post said, or tried to imply it was the British Colonies that introduced
slavery where that simply wasnt the case.

Also most of the slaves who ended up in Britain werent treated quite as
badly in comparison although they probably didnt think so at the time.

Anyhows this has lead a little off topic as so many threads do, but its
nice
to actually have a converstaion about things rather than cheap insults.
Thank you..


The British ships that arrived on the US coast wanted cotton to take
to England. That is where they finally got paid. Then they restocked
the ship with goods for Africa and repeated the cycle. All they had when
they arrived on the shores of the US to trade their cargo was a ship
load of slaves and a few manufactured goods from England. They traded
both of them for cotton.

Only an idiot would mistreat any worker that was doing their best.
After all, if you kill all the help you won't make enough money to live,
will you? And then there were "Indentured servants" who traded a number
of years or labor for passage to the US, and were basically slaves
during that time. Legally they were the property of whoever paid their
way, till their time was up.

I never said I approved of any slavery. On the other hand there were
people of every race who were held in slavery at one time or another
throughout the history of mankind, and this still doesn't make it right
at any time.

--
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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Please dont think for one minute i support or ever did support slavery...
because i dont and you know, as well as i that slavery still goes on in many
countrys today, especially some third world countrys but there is also still
a lot of it in the US and to a degree the UK too. I have no problems with
the comments you have made Michael and on the whole i agree with you.
The whole arguement on this thread was someone whit half a brain saying it
was the British Empire that created slavery.. and it simply isnt true. All i
pointed out was that slavery was massive in the US and you even had internal
wars over it so to have a go at the UK over slavery was a bit idiotic.
Cheers...

Actually it was the british colonies that introduced slavery in
America.
The first imported African slaves brought to the British North
American colonies were landed at Jamestown, Virginia in 1619.

Long before the U.S.A. existed.

In the 17th century, slavery was used as punishment by conquering
English Parliament armies against native Catholics in Ireland. Between
the years 1649 and 1653, during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland by
the New Model Army under the command of Oliver Cromwell, thousands of
Irish Catholics were forced into slavery. Cromwell had a deeply
religious antipathy to the Catholic religion and Irish Catholics who
had participated in Confederate Ireland had all their land confiscated
and were transported to the West Indies as slaves.


Actually it was the british colonies that introduced slavery in
America.
The first imported African slaves brought to the British North
American colonies were landed at Jamestown, Virginia in 1619.

Long before the U.S.A. existed.

In the 17th century, slavery was used as punishment by conquering
English Parliament armies against native Catholics in Ireland. Between
the years 1649 and 1653, during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland by
the New Model Army under the command of Oliver Cromwell, thousands of
Irish Catholics were forced into slavery. Cromwell had a deeply
religious antipathy to the Catholic religion and Irish Catholics who
had participated in Confederate Ireland had all their land confiscated
and were transported to the West Indies as slaves.

Eh?? why are you telling me this?? I didnt say and never have that slavery
never existed in the UK and i never said The British Empire didnt condone
and use slavery. But the English never introduced slavery to the US

Chronology Of The History Of Slavery: 1619-1789

1619
The other crucial event that would play a role in the development of America
was the arrival of Africans to Jamestown. A Dutch slave trader exchanged his
cargo of Africans for food in 1619. The Africans became indentured servants,
similar in legal position to many poor Englishmen who traded several years
labor in exchange for passage to America. The popular conception of a
racial-based slave system did not develop until the 1680's. (A Brief History
of Jamestown, The Association for the Preservation of Virginia Antiquities,
Richmond, VA 23220, email: , Web published February, 2000)

Note the word DUTCH....
Regards,
Graham

So who are your ancestors... where did they originate from?


Ireland.


Yes indeed, it explains your attitude... did you hear about the Rioting in
Belfast yesterday BTW...shocking... just animals....

"Lancer" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:36:42 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:

You *******s have ****ed over every country or civilization
you ever came into contact with. British Empire my ass.

I think you will find your ancestors are english, unless your a red
indian
you halfwit. Or a Peurto Rican scumbag. The people who came into contact
with The British Empire learnt "well some of you did" how to become
civilised. If it wasnt for the Likes of the British Empire you would be
running round in animalskin pants with a spear and live in a mud hut....
so
blow it out your ass chummy.........


Come on now, you think everyone in the U.S.A. ancestors are english?

Not at all but a good many of them are... thats also why your common
language is English....

The Magnum wrote:
Come on now, you think everyone in the U.S.A. ancestors are english?

Not at all but a good many of them are... thats also why your common
language is English....


Driving down South Boulevard this morning, you'd have thought our common
language was Spanish.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Oye, Gingo Asshole"

Beefsteak,,,, Beefsteak,,,,, eat a big old Steerrrr,,,,,, Beefsteak,,,,
Beefsteak,,,,, you can get one right hearrrrr,,,,,, Boston Market.
www.bostonmarket.com I don't have to order from Boston Market, (no
offense intended,Boston Market) There are plenty of Mississippi farmers
who raise grain fed Beef and it is available all over Jackson and there
is the Black Angus meat market about two miles South of me,Deer meat and
other kinds of great meat.
cuhulin

"Lancer" wrote in message
news:4325d050.25419343@2355323778...
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:24:48 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


Actually it was the british colonies that introduced slavery in
America.
The first imported African slaves brought to the British North
American colonies were landed at Jamestown, Virginia in 1619.

Long before the U.S.A. existed.

In the 17th century, slavery was used as punishment by conquering
English Parliament armies against native Catholics in Ireland. Between
the years 1649 and 1653, during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland by
the New Model Army under the command of Oliver Cromwell, thousands of
Irish Catholics were forced into slavery. Cromwell had a deeply
religious antipathy to the Catholic religion and Irish Catholics who
had participated in Confederate Ireland had all their land confiscated
and were transported to the West Indies as slaves.


Actually it was the british colonies that introduced slavery in
America.
The first imported African slaves brought to the British North
American colonies were landed at Jamestown, Virginia in 1619.

Long before the U.S.A. existed.

In the 17th century, slavery was used as punishment by conquering
English Parliament armies against native Catholics in Ireland. Between
the years 1649 and 1653, during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland by
the New Model Army under the command of Oliver Cromwell, thousands of
Irish Catholics were forced into slavery. Cromwell had a deeply
religious antipathy to the Catholic religion and Irish Catholics who
had participated in Confederate Ireland had all their land confiscated
and were transported to the West Indies as slaves.

Eh?? why are you telling me this?? I didnt say and never have that
slavery
never existed in the UK and i never said The British Empire didnt condone
and use slavery. But the English never introduced slavery to the US


Yes it was directed to you.

Because the British did introduce slavery to the U.S.



Chronology Of The History Of Slavery: 1619-1789

1619
The other crucial event that would play a role in the development of
America
was the arrival of Africans to Jamestown. A Dutch slave trader exchanged
his
cargo of Africans for food in 1619. The Africans became indentured
servants,
similar in legal position to many poor Englishmen who traded several
years
labor in exchange for passage to America. The popular conception of a
racial-based slave system did not develop until the 1680's. (A Brief
History
of Jamestown, The Association for the Preservation of Virginia
Antiquities,
Richmond, VA 23220, email: , Web published February, 2000)

Note the word DUTCH....
Regards,
Graham


Yes note the word Dutch, as, British colonization imported 21 slaves
from a Dutch frigate to the colony in Jamestown, Virginia in 1619,
three of whom are known to have been named Isabella, Antoney and
Pedro. Isabella and Antoney had later given birth to a slave boy named
William. This "William Tucker" is now considered the first African
American born in the English colonies in North America. The Dutch
delivered them, the British enslaved them.

Note the word British....

Dont you think if the DUTCH person SOLD them to the ENGLISH colonies then
they were ALREADY slaves???

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
m...
The Magnum wrote:
Come on now, you think everyone in the U.S.A. ancestors are english?

Not at all but a good many of them are... thats also why your common
language is English....


Driving down South Boulevard this morning, you'd have thought our common
language was Spanish.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Oye, Gingo Asshole"


Indeed, if you were to drive down Sparkbrook in Birmingham UK you would
think the common language was Urdu ;o)

"Lancer" wrote in message
news:4326d316.26128812@2355323778...
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:27:37 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"Lancer" wrote in message
news:4326996c.11367359@2355323778...
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:36:42 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:

You *******s have ****ed over every country or civilization
you ever came into contact with. British Empire my ass.

I think you will find your ancestors are english, unless your a red
indian
you halfwit. Or a Peurto Rican scumbag. The people who came into
contact
with The British Empire learnt "well some of you did" how to become
civilised. If it wasnt for the Likes of the British Empire you would
be
running round in animalskin pants with a spear and live in a mud
hut....
so
blow it out your ass chummy.........


Come on now, you think everyone in the U.S.A. ancestors are english?

Not at all but a good many of them are... thats also why your common
language is English....


Nah, I speak american...I spent a month working in the U.K., I needed
a translater.. The hardest to understand were your phone operators..

No such language as American... you will find it is English, just because
you use a few different words or a few of your words have different meanings
its still English.. Try phoning someone in Tyne and Wear UK and youll have
even more diffuculty ;o)