For One and All,

Once again here is another one of the Legendary
Kiwa Air Core MW Loop Antenna's on eBay

eBay Auction Item # 5843381426

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shortwave-loop-A...temZ5843381426

The Opening Bidding is $200 with a Buy-It-Now Price of $795
Note - Shipping and Handling - TBD ?

This eBay Auction Ends : 23 DEC 2005 @ 10:19:20 PST

Question - Will this Kiwa Air Core MW Loop Antenna
beat the $760 Highest Price on eBay ? ? ?

NOTICE :
This is NOT my Auction and I am NOT Associated with the eBay Seller.

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That this Message is being Posted for Informational Purposes Only.


know your seller and something about what they are selling.
as always - buyer beware - life is a gamble and so is ebay ~ RHF

I wonder if this antenna was profitable for Kiwa. I asked Craig of Kiwa
if they'd ever bring the Kiwa loop back, assuming that they could get
all the materials (e.g., PVC pipe) required. He said no way. The Kiwa
loop will never be made again. I don't know why Craig would feel this
way unless the loop just wasn't a money maker.

Steve

Pure speculation on my part. There probably was profit in it but not
huge. That may have been a very labor intenstive product to build.

Hard to get materials is one factor. Also, the crowd of MW DX'ers gets
smaller and smaller with each passing year. Not to mention the
forthcoming destruction of the MW DX hobby courtesy of IBOC/digital
radio (thanks to the built in adjecent channel hash interference).

The cumulative effect of all of that may have made it more trouble than
it was worth and there isn't much in the way of "future growth."

Just a FYI, they turn the IBOC off at night, which is when most people
DX. However, I understand your concern. IBOC will probably fail.


wavetrapper wrote:
Pure speculation on my part. There probably was profit in it but not
huge. That may have been a very labor intenstive product to build.

Hard to get materials is one factor. Also, the crowd of MW DX'ers gets
smaller and smaller with each passing year. Not to mention the
forthcoming destruction of the MW DX hobby courtesy of IBOC/digital
radio (thanks to the built in adjecent channel hash interference).

The cumulative effect of all of that may have made it more trouble than
it was worth and there isn't much in the way of "future growth."

IBOC is not authorized currently for night use. It is ok to turn it on
at sunrise and have it run til sunset, I believe. Sunrise and sunset
are the two prime DX times on MW.

The broadcasters want it at night I think - which mean the FCC will
allow it eventually. They have to pretend to go through an
evaluation/consideration period first.

I can't see it succeeding on MW. Perhaps FM. I hope it does die a
quick death on MW.

wavetrapper wrote:

IBOC is not authorized currently for night use. It is ok to turn it on
at sunrise and have it run til sunset, I believe. Sunrise and sunset
are the two prime DX times on MW.

The broadcasters want it at night I think - which mean the FCC will
allow it eventually. They have to pretend to go through an
evaluation/consideration period first.

I can't see it succeeding on MW. Perhaps FM. I hope it does die a
quick death on MW.

Just like DRM.

DRM = QRM

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I think you're 100% right, Wavetrapper. Craig and I have been good friends
since the late 1980s, and I'm very familiar with his approach to Kiwa
products. Like with the Kiwa MAP unit, the MW Loop was labor-intensive to
build (but not quite as bad a situation as with the MAP). The major products
at Kiwa have been a labor of love for a dwindling hobby crowd. He kept the
parts costs as low as possible by doing most of the work himself (you should
have seen the ingenious, screw-driven device he cobbled together to cut the
spiral grooves for the wire in the PVC pipe core of the MW Loop!). Craig
also built his own flow-solder table for soldering PCBs, if I recall, and a
number of other clever tools and construction aids.

Craig is more of an inventor/engineer than he is a business person who has
all the expenses and profits figured out to the last penny. He had a very
good career before Kiwa as a broadcast station engineer, and gained quite a
reputation for modifying expensive pro-recording consoles to produce better
sound. He still does some consulting on the side, but his heart is in the
Kiwa Electronics business.

Unfortunately, as the hobby slowly decline, we lose some of the quality
accessories and peripherals like the Kiwa MAP and the Kiwa MW Loop. I'm
aware of an amazing prototype replacement for the MW loop that Craig was
working on a few years back, but now I don't think he'll be producing it.

Guy Atkins
Puyallup, WA USA

"wavetrapper" wrote in message
oups.com...
Pure speculation on my part. There probably was profit in it but not
huge. That may have been a very labor intenstive product to build.

Hard to get materials is one factor. Also, the crowd of MW DX'ers gets
smaller and smaller with each passing year. Not to mention the
forthcoming destruction of the MW DX hobby courtesy of IBOC/digital
radio (thanks to the built in adjecent channel hash interference).

The cumulative effect of all of that may have made it more trouble than
it was worth and there isn't much in the way of "future growth."

"Guy Atkins" schreef in bericht
. ..
I think you're 100% right, Wavetrapper. Craig and I have been good friends
since the late 1980s, and I'm very familiar with his approach to Kiwa
products. Like with the Kiwa MAP unit, the MW Loop was labor-intensive to
build (but not quite as bad a situation as with the MAP). The major
products
at Kiwa have been a labor of love for a dwindling hobby crowd. He kept the
parts costs as low as possible by doing most of the work himself (you
should
have seen the ingenious, screw-driven device he cobbled together to cut
the
spiral grooves for the wire in the PVC pipe core of the MW Loop!). Craig
also built his own flow-solder table for soldering PCBs, if I recall, and
a
number of other clever tools and construction aids.

Craig is more of an inventor/engineer than he is a business person who has
all the expenses and profits figured out to the last penny. He had a very
good career before Kiwa as a broadcast station engineer, and gained quite
a
reputation for modifying expensive pro-recording consoles to produce
better
sound. He still does some consulting on the side, but his heart is in the
Kiwa Electronics business.

Unfortunately, as the hobby slowly decline, we lose some of the quality
accessories and peripherals like the Kiwa MAP and the Kiwa MW Loop. I'm
aware of an amazing prototype replacement for the MW loop that Craig was
working on a few years back, but now I don't think he'll be producing it.


It should be nice when he stops production of these succesfull items, to put
the schematics/drawings on Internet, open to the interested hobby-builder.

MRe

Brenda Ann is looking for the schematics of a Spice Chest Radio.Guys and
gals,lets help her.Get on the stick.
cuhulin