"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio and
luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one, I'll be
sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his internet
connection.

However, to an Alex Jones SWL-type distrustful paranoid, Ibiquity's IBOC
looks hidden adgenda-ish. It's not about "CD quality sound" it's about
multicasting.

So, if I've got it wrong, please tell me. Is it impossible for the IBOC-AM
scheme to be used for multicasting?

Frank Dresser

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"Frank Dresser" wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio and
luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one, I'll be
sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his internet
connection.

However, to an Alex Jones SWL-type distrustful paranoid, Ibiquity's IBOC
looks hidden adgenda-ish. It's not about "CD quality sound" it's about
multicasting.

So, if I've got it wrong, please tell me. Is it impossible for the IBOC-AM
scheme to be used for multicasting?


It is about making money. If a station, equipment vendor or the two of
them together can get an advantage in the market over a competitor then
they will do it. If they can put a competitor at a disadvantage they
will do it. The entire conspiracy is to make money. That the whole story.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio and
luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one, I'll be
sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his internet
connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in radio,
whether formatically or technically, and are very negative towards the way
stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX organisaions as they
almost all seem to be out to change radio to the detriment of those of us
who work in the field.

Since essentially no radio listening, in terms of percentage, is skywave
night listening, the other poings are moot.

However, to an Alex Jones SWL-type distrustful paranoid, Ibiquity's IBOC
looks hidden adgenda-ish. It's not about "CD quality sound" it's about
multicasting.

It is about all of this. It is about giving radio the digital buzzword, more
channels, and improved AM quality.

So, if I've got it wrong, please tell me. Is it impossible for the
IBOC-AM
scheme to be used for multicasting?

Pretty much so. Not enough bandwidth unless analog is dropped and all the
signal is devoted to digital.

David "La Gringa" Gleason wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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wrote in message
oups.com...
You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio and
luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one, I'll be
sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his internet
connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in radio,
whether formatically or technically, and are very negative towards the way
stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX organisaions as they
almost all seem to be out to change radio to the detriment of those of us
who work in the field.

Or was it a case of the DX organizations disassociating themselves from you?
Seems to me like you got your ass handed to you in most any discussion you
entered into.

Remember: IBOC = QRM

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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David "La Gringa" Gleason wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio
and
luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one, I'll
be
sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his internet
connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in radio,
whether formatically or technically, and are very negative towards the
way
stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX organisaions as they
almost all seem to be out to change radio to the detriment of those of us
who work in the field.

Or was it a case of the DX organizations disassociating themselves from
you?

Both the NRC, of which I was a member going back to the 50's and the IRCA,
which I helped found, are increasingly populated by anti-radio people who
are antagonistic towards the stations and the industry they DX. Add that to
the fact that all I seem to see at our AMs are faked DX reports (last one
was a "definite" ID for a name KTNQ has not used for 13 years) and I am
quite down on AM DXers as a group.

Clarification: except for you and a couple of Brother Stari kooks, SW DXers
are as a whole a really interesting group, and have a much less insular view
of things.

Seems to me like you got your ass handed to you in most any discussion you
entered into.

Hardly. The fact that a bunch of radio haters is against the progress of
radio actually supports my argument against the majority of AM (MW) DXers.

Remember: IBOC = QRM

HD = radio's best bet for the future.

I prefer Analog Radio and Analog TV and the old fashioned tried and true
CRT TV sets and CRT computer monitors.I dont care for that new fangled
digital crap.
cuhulin

I am switching away from AM DXing, to exclusive SW Dxing, although I
must say , it is in a sad concession to the digital age.it's inevitable
that IBOC will be included during skywave, and this will benefit casual
listeners in urban areas, and terminate AM DXing.I won't be getting MY
way, so it's time to adapt.

On 5 Mar 2006 18:58:22 -0800, "cainbryan" wrote:

I am switching away from AM DXing, to exclusive SW Dxing, although I
must say , it is in a sad concession to the digital age.it's inevitable
that IBOC will be included during skywave, and this will benefit casual
listeners in urban areas, and terminate AM DXing.I won't be getting MY
way, so it's time to adapt.

I wouldn't be so sure. Half the population lives beyond the suburbs
and distant night time signals are fairly vital. Besides, the IBOC
makes the AM sound pretty bad.

May you be correct !

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"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be
history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are
anti-radio and luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one,
I'll be sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his
internet connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in
radio, whether formatically or technically, and are very negative
towards the way stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX
organisaions as they almost all seem to be out to change radio to the
detriment of those of us who work in the field.

Since essentially no radio listening, in terms of percentage, is
skywave night listening, the other poings are moot.

Two things:

1. I question the wisdom of dismissing the hobby of dx'ing in this news
group. Sounds to me like you are trolling for trouble.

2. Like I already posted there is plenty of regional and national
commercials on radio so the long distance reception of stations does pay
off. Now you can go ahead and ignore that to continue to support your
wrongheaded assumptions.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California