I am switching away from AM DXing, to exclusive SW Dxing, although I
must say , it is in a sad concession to the digital age.it's inevitable
that IBOC will be included during skywave, and this will benefit casual
listeners in urban areas, and terminate AM DXing.I won't be getting MY
way, so it's time to adapt.

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"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be
history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are
anti-radio and luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one,
I'll be sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his
internet connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in
radio, whether formatically or technically, and are very negative
towards the way stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX
organisaions as they almost all seem to be out to change radio to the
detriment of those of us who work in the field.

Since essentially no radio listening, in terms of percentage, is
skywave night listening, the other poings are moot.

Two things:

1. I question the wisdom of dismissing the hobby of dx'ing in this news
group. Sounds to me like you are trolling for trouble.

2. Like I already posted there is plenty of regional and national
commercials on radio so the long distance reception of stations does pay
off. Now you can go ahead and ignore that to continue to support your
wrongheaded assumptions.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be
history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are
anti-radio and luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one,
I'll be sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his
internet connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in
radio, whether formatically or technically, and are very negative
towards the way stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX
organisaions as they almost all seem to be out to change radio to the
detriment of those of us who work in the field.

Since essentially no radio listening, in terms of percentage, is
skywave night listening, the other poings are moot.

Two things:

1. I question the wisdom of dismissing the hobby of dx'ing in this news
group. Sounds to me like you are trolling for trouble.

He's a well known troll in other hobbie venues.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be
history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are
anti-radio and luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one,
I'll be sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his
internet connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in
radio, whether formatically or technically, and are very negative
towards the way stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX
organisaions as they almost all seem to be out to change radio to the
detriment of those of us who work in the field.

Since essentially no radio listening, in terms of percentage, is
skywave night listening, the other poings are moot.

Two things:

1. I question the wisdom of dismissing the hobby of dx'ing in this news
group. Sounds to me like you are trolling for trouble.

He's a well known troll in other hobbie venues.

I haven't checked on him in other news groups. He seems to be reasonable
in this news group in the past but lately he has gone down hill a little
in my opinion.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one,
I'll be sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his
internet connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in
radio, whether formatically or technically, and are very negative
towards the way stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX
organisaions as they almost all seem to be out to change radio to the
detriment of those of us who work in the field.

Since essentially no radio listening, in terms of percentage, is
skywave night listening, the other poings are moot.

Two things:

1. I question the wisdom of dismissing the hobby of dx'ing in this news
group. Sounds to me like you are trolling for trouble.

I sepcifically clarified that it was domestic (NRC and IRCA) MW DXers. For
some reason, they have chosen to attack broadcasting as an industry and
profession. Some even write letters to the FCC questioning the
qualifications of licensees who are doing exactly what the FCC wants:
improving local service.

2. Like I already posted there is plenty of regional and national
commercials on radio so the long distance reception of stations does pay
off. Now you can go ahead and ignore that to continue to support your
wrongheaded assumptions.

I know of less than a dozen stations today that make any money off skywave,
and out of 13,500 US AM and FM stations, less than 200 show up in ratings
outside their own market area (MSA and embedded metros).

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

1. I question the wisdom of dismissing the hobby of dx'ing in this news
group. Sounds to me like you are trolling for trouble.

He's a well known troll in other hobbie venues.

The only hobby venue I visit is this one.

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dxAce wrote:

I haven't checked on him in other news groups. He seems to be reasonable
in this news group in the past but lately he has gone down hill a little
in my opinion.

It is tough to have a high regard for AM DXers these days when they complain
about your management, programming and technical operation, and then send
one after another of false DX reports. As mentioned, the last one (on
Thursday) reported listening to KTNQ with a slogan that has not been used
for 13 or 14 years ("Radio Fiesta") and had a log of musical selections
(KTNQ is talk).

David "HFBPO" Gleason wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

1. I question the wisdom of dismissing the hobby of dx'ing in this news
group. Sounds to me like you are trolling for trouble.

He's a well known troll in other hobbie venues.

The only hobby venue I visit is this one.

Now perhaps.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On 5 Mar 2006 18:58:22 -0800, "cainbryan" wrote:

I am switching away from AM DXing, to exclusive SW Dxing, although I
must say , it is in a sad concession to the digital age.it's inevitable
that IBOC will be included during skywave, and this will benefit casual
listeners in urban areas, and terminate AM DXing.I won't be getting MY
way, so it's time to adapt.

I wouldn't be so sure. Half the population lives beyond the suburbs
and distant night time signals are fairly vital. Besides, the IBOC
makes the AM sound pretty bad.

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. com...

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio
and
luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one, I'll
be
sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his internet
connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in radio,
whether formatically or technically, and are very negative towards the way
stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX organisaions as they
almost all seem to be out to change radio to the detriment of those of us
who work in the field.

OK, but couldn't much the same be said of building preservationists? They
don't like the changes and want to keep some things the way they love,
despite the fact they have no ownership interest. I wouldn't call building
preservationists anti-architecture, however.



Since essentially no radio listening, in terms of percentage, is skywave
night listening, the other poings are moot.

However, to an Alex Jones SWL-type distrustful paranoid, Ibiquity's IBOC
looks hidden adgenda-ish. It's not about "CD quality sound" it's about
multicasting.

It is about all of this. It is about giving radio the digital buzzword,
more
channels, and improved AM quality.

Well, it's only my opinion, but the digital buzzword will soon be worth
about as much as the shopworn "turbo" buzzword of a few years ago. Already,
digital is being associated with pixellated video and cellphone audio. By
the time affordable IBOC recievers become available, the term digital may be
a negative.

If there is really much demand for improved AM quality, there would be more
demand for improved AM radios. Better skirt selectivity, lower distortion
dectectors and real noise blankers would be installed in everyday radios.
Such things are available in hobbyist radios. Most people don't want to pay
even a little extra money for a radio.

I think the multichannel capability might attract the most consumer
interest, if such interest develops.



So, if I've got it wrong, please tell me. Is it impossible for the
IBOC-AM
scheme to be used for multicasting?

Pretty much so. Not enough bandwidth unless analog is dropped and all the
signal is devoted to digital.



Yes, but ibiquity anticipates digital radio will replace analog. Then what?
Will the former analog channel be replaced with digital channels?

And might some of these replacement digital channels be pay channels?

Paranoid minds want to know!

Frank Dresser