Wikipedia has a solid definition for IBOC

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In the SF Bay area, plenty of people listen to Sacramento stations. Bay
side stations are often weak in 680 corridoor, and would be trashed if
central valley powerhouses started daytime IBOC.

The SF Bay area is a market where AM does well because the terrain
isn't friendly to FM, or because many people live far south of San
Fransciso. I could see problems if Monterey AM stations went IBOC in
the SF "normal" AM could suffer.

Afer all, IBOC isn't something for nothing. They are stealing what used
to be guard bands. It is no different as if the FCC all of a sudden
allowed normal AM broadcast stations to fill the empty channels.

Sure it is... if it were normal AM stations, it would still be QRM, but at
least we could make heads or tails out of what it was that was interfering
with our favorite stations.

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Technically, you are correct, but you get my point. IBOC is basically
violating the good engineering practices of yesteryear,

As BPL violates good engineering practices of yesteryear. Which brings
us right back to the greedy corporate whores...

(not my quote-please reference the FCC Commissioner from that era that
referred to the 50s at the FCC as the "whorehouse years" in regards to
the VHF/UHF and color TV system wars. Looks like not too much has
changed since then).

That fcc commissioner dude called them the what years??? Haw Haw Haw!
Hey,what does that make him?
cuhulin

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You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio and
luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one, I'll be
sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his internet
connection.

However, to an Alex Jones SWL-type distrustful paranoid, Ibiquity's IBOC
looks hidden adgenda-ish. It's not about "CD quality sound" it's about
multicasting.

So, if I've got it wrong, please tell me. Is it impossible for the IBOC-AM
scheme to be used for multicasting?


It is about making money. If a station, equipment vendor or the two of
them together can get an advantage in the market over a competitor then
they will do it. If they can put a competitor at a disadvantage they
will do it. The entire conspiracy is to make money. That the whole story.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio and
luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one, I'll be
sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his internet
connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in radio,
whether formatically or technically, and are very negative towards the way
stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX organisaions as they
almost all seem to be out to change radio to the detriment of those of us
who work in the field.

Since essentially no radio listening, in terms of percentage, is skywave
night listening, the other poings are moot.

However, to an Alex Jones SWL-type distrustful paranoid, Ibiquity's IBOC
looks hidden adgenda-ish. It's not about "CD quality sound" it's about
multicasting.

It is about all of this. It is about giving radio the digital buzzword, more
channels, and improved AM quality.

So, if I've got it wrong, please tell me. Is it impossible for the
IBOC-AM
scheme to be used for multicasting?

Pretty much so. Not enough bandwidth unless analog is dropped and all the
signal is devoted to digital.

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In the SF Bay area, plenty of people listen to Sacramento stations. Bay
side stations are often weak in 680 corridoor, and would be trashed if
central valley powerhouses started daytime IBOC.

There is no ratings evidence of any listening in the SF market to Sacramento
stations in the Bay Area. There is some in the area nearer Sacto than SF,
however.

David "La Gringa" Gleason wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio and
luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one, I'll be
sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his internet
connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in radio,
whether formatically or technically, and are very negative towards the way
stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX organisaions as they
almost all seem to be out to change radio to the detriment of those of us
who work in the field.

Or was it a case of the DX organizations disassociating themselves from you?
Seems to me like you got your ass handed to you in most any discussion you
entered into.

Remember: IBOC = QRM

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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David "La Gringa" Gleason wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.

And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio
and
luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one, I'll
be
sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his internet
connection.

As to DXers, I find that most today are very opposed to changes in radio,
whether formatically or technically, and are very negative towards the
way
stations operate. I have disassociate myself form DX organisaions as they
almost all seem to be out to change radio to the detriment of those of us
who work in the field.

Or was it a case of the DX organizations disassociating themselves from
you?

Both the NRC, of which I was a member going back to the 50's and the IRCA,
which I helped found, are increasingly populated by anti-radio people who
are antagonistic towards the stations and the industry they DX. Add that to
the fact that all I seem to see at our AMs are faked DX reports (last one
was a "definite" ID for a name KTNQ has not used for 13 years) and I am
quite down on AM DXers as a group.

Clarification: except for you and a couple of Brother Stari kooks, SW DXers
are as a whole a really interesting group, and have a much less insular view
of things.

Seems to me like you got your ass handed to you in most any discussion you
entered into.

Hardly. The fact that a bunch of radio haters is against the progress of
radio actually supports my argument against the majority of AM (MW) DXers.

Remember: IBOC = QRM

HD = radio's best bet for the future.

I prefer Analog Radio and Analog TV and the old fashioned tried and true
CRT TV sets and CRT computer monitors.I dont care for that new fangled
digital crap.
cuhulin