one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post an
opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making such
assertions.
In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case.
Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm

In article ,
"mike maghakian" wrote:

one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post
an opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making
such assertions. In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy
Atkins, there is another source who people should not argue with in
this case. Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm

The E1 specifications and operating features make it out to be a good
receiver. I remember having a favorable impression of it when
information became available about the unit.

A refurb at $399.95 sounds like a good deal.

Brian Hill is getting one soon so I'm sure we will hear about it from
him.

People that are just Trolling for an argument are best Plonked. Some
people are just not worth reading.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"mike maghakian" wrote:

The E1 specifications and operating features make it out to be a good
receiver. I remember having a favorable impression of it when
information became available about the unit.

A refurb at $399.95 sounds like a good deal.

.....anyone who would plunk down $400 plus change
for a 'refurbished' (Chinese made) Eton E1 needs to
have their respective head examined. This radio is NOT the
successor to the Sony 2010 boys and girls.

.....and besides, why on earth would anyone spend this
much cabbage on a short-wave radio when, for the most
part, short-wave broadcasting is chock-full of complete
paranoid whackjobs like Alex Jones, Racist separatists
like 'Pastor' Pete Peters and complete whackjobs like
Brother RG Stair ??

No thanks folks. : ) I'm not gonna spend $400 to buy
a short-wave when every-other-program on the dial
is either some PAYtriot scam artist trying to sell you
outrageously priced 'numismatic' gold coins of dubious
pedigree, carnival sideshow barkers who claim that their
"South Pole Magnetic Charged Water" (..just $29.95 a gallon)
will cure you of everything from baldness to stinky
feet...and of course Rev Billy Bob of the 1st Church of The
Creator in West Bumfrigg, Idaho who says that Jeezus H Christ
was a blond haired/blue eyed Aryan who fathered racially
pure white children via M. Magedeline in France......

Ha Ha Ha!!
-- Gay shlog dein kup en vant!

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post an
opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making such
assertions.
In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case.
Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm

Interesting update on that radio, although a quality issue like a
wobbly optical encoder is worrisome on a radio in that price range.
But more to the point just exactly what is a "Pro Opinion" and why
should it be given any more credibility than than the collective
opinions of users on on eham, radiointel, Yahoo or this forum. Also,
because Eton appears to be the single largest advertiser in PBWR
occupying several pages in the version I read, should reviews of their
radios be taken as truly independent?

I would take the well written opinons in PBWR to be just that and
nothing more. They are another source of information about radios but
not THE source.

That said I am impressed by the E1 and am seriously considering buying
one. But my decision will be influenced more by the opinions seen on
fora than one review in PBWR.

John S. wrote:
Also,
because Eton appears to be the single largest advertiser in PBWR
occupying several pages in the version I read, should reviews of their
radios be taken as truly independent?



Good point, John. I haven't read any reviews that denied that the E1 is
a fine portable. What I have read are reviews that find a flaw here or
there. For example, some have said that the E1 is not as sensitive on
SW as some of the Sony portables, while others have said that the E1
cannot accommodate as much of an antenna as the S800s. These reviews
then go on to assert that the E1 is nevertheless a fine radio.
Overpriced, perhaps, but so are many other portables. However, the
reaction to some E1 boosters to these reviews is bizarre. I'm afraid
that the E1 is taking the place of the S800 as "the portable about
which one is only allowed to speak praise". I even encountered one guy
who refused to believe that the E1 had no internal ferrite antenna. He
insisted that there was an excellent ferrite loop, but Eton had
"reasons" for wanting to deny that it was there. This is sheer
craziness.

You'll never get 100% consensus on any radio. That being the case,
people should be free to voice their opinions without getting trounced
on. And if you like the E1, you should just enjoy it and not feel
defensive. More power to you, I say.

Steve

In article . com,
"John S." wrote:

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can
post an opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for
making such assertions. In addition to people who are intelligent
like Guy Atkins, there is another source who people should not
argue with in this case. Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1
is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm

Interesting update on that radio, although a quality issue like a
wobbly optical encoder is worrisome on a radio in that price range.
But more to the point just exactly what is a "Pro Opinion" and why
should it be given any more credibility than than the collective
opinions of users on on eham, radiointel, Yahoo or this forum. Also,
because Eton appears to be the single largest advertiser in PBWR
occupying several pages in the version I read, should reviews of
their radios be taken as truly independent?

I would take the well written opinons in PBWR to be just that and
nothing more. They are another source of information about radios
but not THE source.

That said I am impressed by the E1 and am seriously considering
buying one. But my decision will be influenced more by the opinions
seen on fora than one review in PBWR.

The Pro opinion stems from the fact that they have test equipment and
the experience to make the measurements comparing the performance
against other radios.

You get the unvarnished good and bad from PBWR AND a relative feature
comparison to other radios in its class.

The opinions in PBWR are generated from a panel of people not just one
person so reading it gives you a broader perspective then you get from
a persons personal review. An example is that a noise blanker may not
work on the type of noise around one persons residence where the other
people on the panel had no problems. This will be reported in the
review.

I think PBWR is a great place to start for reviews of a radio comparing
it to others in it class and to then follow it up with reviews on the
Internet that you mentioned.

Obviously you need to weed out the nut case opinions. Some people just
do not make sense like using the incorrect bandwidth for a mode and
then reporting the sound is muddy as an example of a worthless opinion.
If you read an opinion that states you need to spend days with a radio
to learn how to use it to get the most out of it should be a good
warning sign that it is not a good review as there are a small set of
interacting controls and it only takes a minute to go through all the
permutations of adjustments.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post an
opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making such
assertions.
In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case.
Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm


Mikie, Mikie, Mikie - who cares what these guys think, the E1 is not
worth the money, per MY review:

NOTE: Watch out - the batteries blow up, when used with the AC adaptor
!

So, what is the point of plopping down $500 for this radio - there is
not much of interest on shortwave anymore, one can buy a $25 Radio
Shack digital PLL AM/FM radio for AM DXing (THE E1 DOESN'T EVEN HAVE AN
INTERNAL FERRITE-BAR ANTENNA, OR COME WITH A SATELLITE ANTENNA !), and
one can buy a satellite radio for $50, now. Also, after getting $500
in-the-hole, one gets to shell out a monthly fee for satellite radio,
plus an activation fee - a bigger ripoff than cable T.V. !
Evidentually, there are major technical problems with the actual
satellites, so its future is in question !

So, what is the bottom-line ? Well let's see, $500 for the radio,
probably another $100 - $200 for the AM and satellite external
antennas, $9 - $12 monthly fee, and the activation fee. Is this another
blunder by Grundig/Eton/Tecsun, or a total ripoff - I suspect a bit of
both !

This baby, I believe, is assembled in India, while the rest of the
Grundig/Eton/Tecsun junk is made in China. I wonder, if the E1 is as
cheap as, the Grundig S350 ?

This is a copy of a post from gearlog.com (the BBC and "Voice of the
Andes" are now gone from SW, too):

Shortwave Eton E1
Posted by: Larry N.
Monday, October 31, 2005 8:03 PM

David,
I am shocked your would recommend this new radio from Eton.
Honest?, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT?
It does not have Digital Radio Mondale! Who in 2005/2006 would spend
$500.00 for a top of the line portable without it? In few years the
shortwave part of this radio will be useless. DW is leaving analog
shortwave by June 2006. Radio New Zealand by the end of December 2006.

I would hope you would admit your mistake and if not withdrawing your
recommendation at least make note of the lack of Digital Radio Mondale
and why that is important!

73
Larry


AND Mikie, I just read that the major stockholder in XM Satellite Radio
sold off its shares - it may go under ! A pretty receiver (aren't all
the Grundig/Eton/Tecsun junk), that will make a nice FM radio.

Dear Mike,

You are quite correct in your assertions. I myself have been impressed
by the specifications of the Eton E1. However, I have not bought one
and do not plan to buy one in the near future for the following
reasons:

It has no MW Ferrite antenna. This, I understand, is due to digital
"hash" that cannot be corrected and would be picked up by such an
antenna.

It has no handle nor is there any easy or convenient way of adding one
to the radio.

Those two points are significant to me but relatively minor. The major
problem I have is:

It does not feature DRM, DAB (Canadian or European), or IBOC. (I
personally have no interest in any form of "pay" radio. In my opinion
it is only a matter of time before advertisements become common on
virtually all "satellite" radio channels and the listener will STILL be
paying month after month for this "service!" After all, look at the
cable-TV model where this has already happened.)

But I digress. In other words, in my opinion, the Eton E1 actually
breaks no new ground. Its specifications, extremely good, nevertheless
appear to show that the radio will peform just about the same as the
Grundig Satellit 800. (And regardless of what anyone tells you, the
Satellit 800, again extremely good, is not at all in the same league
as, say, the Drake R8B, the JRC NRD545, or the AOR AR7030 Plus. This,
by inference, would also apply to the E1 which does, however, offer far
better performance VALUE for money than do the tabletops mentioned.)

I am waiting to see if Degen introduces their rumored new model the
DE-1108 and if it does feature the newer modes of reception as well as
offering superb performance.

However, I do understand, from owners, that the E1 is a good and
satisfying set and that, if one does not already own a radio of this
caliber, the E1, with all its "faults," is a good one to buy. After
all, there has never been nor is there ever likely to be a "perfect"
shortwave radio. And Eton has always been a very customer-centric
company, offering superb service before and after the sale.

Should Degen's proposed new radio not live up to expectations, there
may be a new Eton E1 in my future, after all.

Best,

Joe

P.S. Some people here have "complained" that Eton advertises heavily in
PASSPORT TO WORLD BAND RADIO and this somehow makes pASSPORT's reviews
"suspect." One need only READ many of the reviews of Eton/Grundig
radios in PASSPORT to see that this "suspicion" is absolutely
groundless. PASSPORT "calls 'em as they see 'em." PASSPORT is
DEFINITELY the best SW review source we have and should be supported by
all of us here, at least in my opinion. No one else tests SW radios in
their own laboratories and prints their findings (and, as readers know,
they often differ from manufacturers' own published specifications).
And if Eton is a big advertiser, I say MORE POWER TO THEM! What OTHER
company supports the shortwave listener the way Eton does?

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post an
opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making such
assertions.
In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case.
Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm

In article .com,
"Joe Analssandrini" wrote:

P.S. Some people here have "complained" that Eton advertises heavily
in PASSPORT TO WORLD BAND RADIO and this somehow makes pASSPORT's
reviews "suspect." One need only READ many of the reviews of
Eton/Grundig radios in PASSPORT to see that this "suspicion" is
absolutely groundless. PASSPORT "calls 'em as they see 'em." PASSPORT
is DEFINITELY the best SW review source we have and should be
supported by all of us here, at least in my opinion. No one else
tests SW radios in their own laboratories and prints their findings
(and, as readers know, they often differ from manufacturers' own
published specifications). And if Eton is a big advertiser, I say
MORE POWER TO THEM! What OTHER company supports the shortwave
listener the way Eton does?

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can
post an opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for
making such assertions. In addition to people who are intelligent
like Guy Atkins, there is another source who people should not
argue with in this case. Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1
is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm

Dear Mike,

You are quite correct in your assertions. I myself have been
impressed by the specifications of the Eton E1. However, I have not
bought one and do not plan to buy one in the near future for the
following reasons:

It has no MW Ferrite antenna. This, I understand, is due to digital
"hash" that cannot be corrected and would be picked up by such an
antenna.

It has no handle nor is there any easy or convenient way of adding
one to the radio.

Those two points are significant to me but relatively minor. The
major problem I have is:

It does not feature DRM, DAB (Canadian or European), or IBOC. (I
personally have no interest in any form of "pay" radio. In my opinion
it is only a matter of time before advertisements become common on
virtually all "satellite" radio channels and the listener will STILL
be paying month after month for this "service!" After all, look at
the cable-TV model where this has already happened.)

But I digress. In other words, in my opinion, the Eton E1 actually
breaks no new ground. Its specifications, extremely good,
nevertheless appear to show that the radio will peform just about the
same as the Grundig Satellit 800. (And regardless of what anyone
tells you, the Satellit 800, again extremely good, is not at all in
the same league as, say, the Drake R8B, the JRC NRD545, or the AOR
AR7030 Plus. This, by inference, would also apply to the E1 which
does, however, offer far better performance VALUE for money than do
the tabletops mentioned.)

I am waiting to see if Degen introduces their rumored new model the
DE-1108 and if it does feature the newer modes of reception as well
as offering superb performance.

However, I do understand, from owners, that the E1 is a good and
satisfying set and that, if one does not already own a radio of this
caliber, the E1, with all its "faults," is a good one to buy. After
all, there has never been nor is there ever likely to be a "perfect"
shortwave radio. And Eton has always been a very customer-centric
company, offering superb service before and after the sale.

Should Degen's proposed new radio not live up to expectations, there
may be a new Eton E1 in my future, after all.

The other radios you mention do not have built in antennas of any sort.

The E1 is designed as a portable radio.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California