In article , "Dee Flint" wrote:

"J. D. B." wrote in message
...
John,

Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the
fun is and the copy is much better.

A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and various
digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The best was
DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also has a second
channel to display additional information.

CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the stone-age
hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital modes.

MultiPSK, while a bit cluttered and ugly, is a great program you can use.
MixW is cleaner looking and very good, but not as many capabilities in the
program.

Move on and start having fun.


You just don't get it do you. There are conditions for each mode that will
make that mode "the best". Every mode has its place. That goes for voice,
all the multiplicity of digital modes and yes CW. Last night you had the
best luck with DominoEx. Another night RTTY might be better. Another
night, voice might be more intelligible. Yet another night will favor CW.

Based on what I've read about DominoEX, it is a form of Multi-Frequency
Shift Keying. This variation looks to be more robust than others, however,
anything that can compromise FSK and MFSK has the potential to compromise
DominoEX. It will merely be a matter of the degree of severity needed
before it becomes unusable.

Just because something is old doesn't make it useless or stone age. Pencils
have been around far longer and are still highly useful.

Dee, N8UZE


Very well put. Every mode is useful, important and valuable in different
situations. What's unfortunate, is that the only modes the anti-CW crowd
wants and supports are "Lazy Mode" and "Retard mode"

Hymie

Hymie wrote:
In article , "Dee Flint" wrote:


Dee, N8UZE


Very well put. Every mode is useful, important and valuable in different
situations. What's unfortunate, is that the only modes the anti-CW crowd
wants and supports are "Lazy Mode" and "Retard mode"
wrong again

Hymie

"J. D. B." wrote in
:

John,

Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the
fun is and the copy is much better.

A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and
various digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The
best was DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also
has a second channel to display additional information.

CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the
stone-age hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital
modes.

Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

SC

"JOHN D" wrote in
news:gD2ug.2582$k31.2016@trnddc06:


"L is easy to remember. "to hell with it".

Thank you, I was haveing trouble confusing "F" and "L"

I got nothing against CW, but being kept out of amateur radio for 40+
years cus I had difficulty learning the code, sucks.
Finally, I got enough right to barely pass the 5 wpm test. Still can't
find anybody slow enough for me to copy on the air.
If I ever get good enough to use it, I'll try a few homebrew transmitter
projects.

I expect there are some technically competent people who might be
interested in amateur radio, but have no interest in learning code.
John

They're not interested in being about to communicate in all ways
effectively, they just want to be phonies. They they could've stuck to CB
for that.

Sorry Blow Code, but you cannot turn back the hands of time. The 13 & 20
WPM tests are gone forever. And soon, the CW testing requirement will
be eliminated completely. It's the will of the majority. It's
evolution. You can whine, cry and carry on all you want about the CW
testing requirement. It is going the way of the buggy whip, the Ford
Model-T, dinosaurs, the carrier pigeons, and a host of other old,
outdated, and unnecessary things of the past. Good Bye and Good Riddance.

Slow Code wrote:

Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

SC

Slow Code wrote:
Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

If CW testing is such a good thing, let's bump it up to 50.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry Blow Code, but you cannot turn back the hands of time. The 13 & 20
WPM tests are gone forever. And soon, the CW testing requirement will
be eliminated completely. It's the will of the majority. It's
evolution. You can whine, cry and carry on all you want about the CW
testing requirement. It is going the way of the buggy whip, the Ford
Model-T, dinosaurs, the carrier pigeons, and a host of other old,
outdated, and unnecessary things of the past. Good Bye and Good Riddance.


not the majority prehaps it is the will of and judgement of those that
are supposed to serve the bets interest of the people

the best interest of the people are served but ending code testing and
the code culture that has dominated it and sent it on a downword slide

not certain we can fix it with NOCode but it will be easier to try
Slow Code wrote:

Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

SC

"J. D. B." wrote in
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Dee, you can disagree all you want. The fact is that the world is
moving on and away from CW testing. Not the mode, but the testing
requirement.
It is just outdated and not necessary. If you want to learn it and
then use it, great. The time has come to stop forcing an old mode onto
people. We can debate the merits of CW all day. In 200 years, no one
will be using it. It will die a natural death like all languages
because the world evolves. Better things come along. And like many
humans, you are resisting change because people hate change. But
change is inevitable. You cannot stop this change and it is a change
for the better even if you won't admit it. History will show the only
way to save the Amateur Radio Service and help its growth is to evolve
and change. Out with the old and in with the new. Those that won't
evolve will fade from the earth just like stone-age man. Good bye CW
testing requirement. Your departure is long, long overdue.

Dee Flint wrote:


Again I disagree. That analogy is not really valid. A better one
would be comparing it to driving an automobile with a stick shift. I
personally feel that every one who drives should be required to know
how to drive a stick. They often get better mileage than automatics as
an experienced driver can do a better job of selecting the shift point
than a mere gadget. More people might select stick shifts if only
they knew how to drive one.

Dee, N8UZE




As it happens, I do think people should have to learn on a stick shift, but
I don't support code testing. If you can't drive a stick shift, you can't
drive my car, as every car I've had has had a stick shift and so will every
car I buy in future. OTOH, every rig I've bought has come with a mic, and
none of them came with a key. Now, I know you can get some QRP rigs that
are CW only.

The point is, there is a very real chance that it may be necessary to drive
someone else's car in an emergency, or even just to help out. What happens
when you need to get someone to the emergency room and the only car
available is a stick shift? It's no good saying that statistically manual
shifts are declining in sales, as there are plenty of us who will never buy
an automatic.

OK, maybe you can say that you don't own a mic, and all the rigs in your
shack are hooked up to a key (good luck on the local repeater!). What then
is the realistic scenario where I will have to use one of your radios to
save the world? (or even to save the next door neighbour) Doesn't seem to
likely, does it?

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:00 GMT, (Hymie)
wrote:

Very well put. Every mode is useful, important and valuable in different
situations. What's unfortunate, is that the only modes the anti-CW crowd
wants and supports are "Lazy Mode" and "Retard mode"

Even those who tout digital modes - they want to buy an interface and
software and "be" on digital. Then they wonder why the signal they're
hearing, that sounds just like the digital mode they use, doesn't work
on their setup. Maybe because a PSK program won't decode SSTV?

Reminds me of the GPRS "exerts" who can't understand why changing the
"code" on their radios doesn't eliminate the interference from the guy
next door.

The anti-CW crowd wants no code and a written test you can memorize
the answers to. It's their "right" to be on the air, isn't it? Even
if they need 2 more clues to be totally clueless?

Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:00 GMT, (Hymie)
wrote:

Very well put. Every mode is useful, important and valuable in different
situations. What's unfortunate, is that the only modes the anti-CW crowd
wants and supports are "Lazy Mode" and "Retard mode"

Even those who tout digital modes - they want to buy an interface and
software and "be" on digital. Then they wonder why the signal they're
hearing, that sounds just like the digital mode they use, doesn't work
on their setup. Maybe because a PSK program won't decode SSTV?

learn what you are tlaking about psk31 sounds very little like sstv and
most of the programs that can demolate it show you a spectrograhand
they look nothing alike

there is some time confusion in wether that sgnal BPSK 31 or QPSK31 but
the marvels of Windows wallo me to run the output of the sound card
interface to at least 2 program so it can be worked out

you just want to bash any ham that doesnot follow your morse fetish

Reminds me of the GPRS "exerts" who can't understand why changing the
"code" on their radios doesn't eliminate the interference from the guy
next door.

The anti-CW crowd wants no code and a written test you can memorize
the answers to. It's their "right" to be on the air, isn't it? Even
if they need 2 more clues to be totally clueless?
it is our right and everybody else right that any restriction to our
access to public spectrum be "neccisary and proper" (one of 3 clauses
in the constitution that give the power to regulate the airwave to the
govet at all) otherwise the 10 reserving all right and power to the
sates or the people applies modifing that is the thrid place where the
consititution of US touches on this issue mby making the constitution
and the TREATIES made the supreme law of the land

according the Govt lost the POWER to impose Morse Code test on the ARS
unless it can be justified under some other powere of the Constitution

I find it interesting that the ProCode tes crowd has such disrespect
for that document