lazy ace
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...


Existing radios are 100% compatible, on both FM and AM.

The way AM and FM are listened to today, there is no loss by adding
HD as an alternative to analog.

Sorry David, IBOC is compatible, but not 100%, as the analog sidebands
are limited and adjacent channels have interference by the digital
sidebands.

As has been shown, even at FCC level, there is no significant usage of
stations adjacent to locals in each market. So there is no loss if there is
what ammounts to unmeasurable listening.

Again the marketing viewpoint. This isn't a radio marketing news group
it is a hobby news group where people listen for other reasons than
tuning in for the programming material. That is not to say that the
programming is not the reason as I have tuned in out of market stations
to get programs not offered in my area.

People reading this news group care and do listen to out of market
stations and that listening is degraded by IBOC. Logically, since this
listening exists and is degraded by IBOC then IBOC becomes incompatible.
The best that you can argue is that IBOC is mostly compatible but that
is not 100% by any means.

Some people including myself do not agree that the existing
level of compatibility is acceptable. If it was 100% nobody would be
complaining about it.

I don't hear listeners complaining. I hear mostly DXers whining.

You don't care about DXers in your job but you should posting to this
news group.

The greater good is trying to preserve the existing free terrestrial
broadcast system, which will not endure unless a digital alternative is
offered.

We got that through numerous posts you have made.

You have well explained the radio
station/marketing perspective on this but that does not change the
listening experience, which has limitations placed on it by IBOC over
the existing long time analog transmission scheme.

However, the only listening being disrupted is the potential to listen to
adjacents... something that, in practice, is just not done.

Well I hate to break it to you but listening to adjacent stations is
"done" by the people reading this news group. How many times does
someone have to post a complaint here that IBOC degrades their
reception? Please don't come back with the marketing perspective because
I get it already.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Univision Sold for $13. Billion
 

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

dxAce wrote:



David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' since c.2000 and shameless
shill
wrote:

"RHF" wrote in message
ps.com...
Univision Sold for $13. Billion to a group of private investors.

http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news...t=Headlines&mo
re=/news/more-news.asp

http://www.nydailynews.com/business/...p-362965c.html

~ RHF

$12.7 billion, including assumption of liabilities. And that news is OLD.

Hopefully they'll can your fake Hispanic ass!

Oh yeah, you must be one of those 'liabilities'.

LMFAO

You mean to say David Eduardo is worth 0.3 Billion?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

lazy ace
 

David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', paid spokesperson for
Univision/iBiquity tried to put on a straight face when he/she/it shamelessly
shilled:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David ****elton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', the totally whacked boy from
Cleveland wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Yes, one must remember it's not about the serious listening that
HD/IBOC
assumes, but rather the serious money that Edweenie and his minions
hope
to make
by selling an unsuspecting public something it doesn't really need.

Those of us in radio do not make any money from HD. In fact, it costs us
in
new equipment and the iBiquity license we have to pay for from now on.

What we get is the additional channel(s) on FM for additional formats,
improved AM and FM quality and an opportunity to prolong the life of
free,
terrestrial radio.

Interesting marketing concept! Declare that something is dying and then
offer up
a fix.

Free terrestrial radio is not dying. It is in, in marketing terms,
maturation and decline. Very old technology (90 years for AM, 60 years for
FM, 45 years for FM stereo) and is slowly losing users. While the impact is
not drastic for FM, yet, it is for AM, with essentially very few listeners
under age 45 and an average listener age that goes up every year.

Almost seem to be a protection racket of sorts.

No, it is a product enhancement to make it useful into the future.

As always, follow the $$$

HD costs money to radio stations, and any payback is more like insurance,
not a profit center.

You're ****ing retarded, Edweenie!

lazy ace
 

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...


Existing radios are 100% compatible, on both FM and AM.

The way AM and FM are listened to today, there is no loss by adding
HD as an alternative to analog.

Sorry David, IBOC is compatible, but not 100%, as the analog sidebands
are limited and adjacent channels have interference by the digital
sidebands.

As has been shown, even at FCC level, there is no significant usage of
stations adjacent to locals in each market. So there is no loss if there is
what ammounts to unmeasurable listening.

Again the marketing viewpoint. This isn't a radio marketing news group
it is a hobby news group where people listen for other reasons than
tuning in for the programming material. That is not to say that the
programming is not the reason as I have tuned in out of market stations
to get programs not offered in my area.

People reading this news group care and do listen to out of market
stations and that listening is degraded by IBOC. Logically, since this
listening exists and is degraded by IBOC then IBOC becomes incompatible.
The best that you can argue is that IBOC is mostly compatible but that
is not 100% by any means.

Some people including myself do not agree that the existing
level of compatibility is acceptable. If it was 100% nobody would be
complaining about it.

I don't hear listeners complaining. I hear mostly DXers whining.

You don't care about DXers in your job but you should posting to this
news group.

The greater good is trying to preserve the existing free terrestrial
broadcast system, which will not endure unless a digital alternative is
offered.

We got that through numerous posts you have made.

You have well explained the radio
station/marketing perspective on this but that does not change the
listening experience, which has limitations placed on it by IBOC over
the existing long time analog transmission scheme.

However, the only listening being disrupted is the potential to listen to
adjacents... something that, in practice, is just not done.

Well I hate to break it to you but listening to adjacent stations is
"done" by the people reading this news group. How many times does
someone have to post a complaint here that IBOC degrades their
reception? Please don't come back with the marketing perspective because
I get it already.

Oh he'll be back. He's getting paid to come back.

lazy ace
 

dxAce wrote:

David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' well known fake Hispanic since
c.2000 and paid shill for Univision/iBiquity wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Yes, one must remember it's not about the serious listening that HD/IBOC
assumes, but rather the serious money that Edweenie and his minions hope
to make
by selling an unsuspecting public something it doesn't really need.
Those of us in radio do not make any money from HD.

If you're not going to make any money from HD then why the hell do you spend a
good part of your day shilling for it?


Because he's going to make money from RADIO.


I mean, that's what HD is all about....keeping Radio profitable. If
HD benefits Radio, and he draws his paycheck from Radio, he makes money,
whether he gets paid by Ibiquity, or not.

I've worked with consultants in the 80's who had no financial ties to
CRL, who would permit nothing else in their Radio stations. They
benefitted through the increased profitability of the Radio stations
after the CRL hardware was installed. (Although, I've yet to see a knob
marked "Arbitron Share" on any transmitter processing device.)

And if the stations changed consultants, out came the CRL, and in
went the next processors du jour.

CRL faded when alternatives, with better, less crushing audio, came
about...and the loudness wars began to settle into uneasy truce. But
there are some consultants who still swear by CRL.

My last station, we finally ended that insanity, and went with Omnia
FM, that I acquired through a cashless deal with one of my equipment
suppliers outside of the stations supply chain. Omnia is so tuneable,
and so easily firmware upgraded, that it rendered most everything
undesirable for all the hassle.

That didn't keep our consultant from Bitching every day he was in
town about it. But, ****, we were top 3, and #1 in two dayparts, what's
he going to do?

Consultants are paid a retainer, and, depending on the contract, a
bonus pursuant to ratings performance. Many PD's and GM's are paid the
same way: According to performance, especially ratings improvements. But
also sales improvements like improved share conversion, increased
margins.... And most all of them have their pet gimmicks. Some it's
Selector. Some it's the latest computer networking solution. Some it's
audio processing, some the DAM system, some even get snippy about the
type, brand and model of the CD players in the dubbing suite. All with
no financial connections.

Right now the hot ticket is HD. AM or FM. (Which has all but wiped
out ALL AM listening at my home base...but **** me...I'm just an old
fart who sleeps with his dog...why would any radio station be interested
in me? Besides the disposable income, the freedom to spend it as I
please, and my wide ranging tastes, why bother to serve me? Or anyone in
my neighborhood? Or anyone within 10 miles of me?....but I'm no longer
served by Radio. So **** on me. But I digress....) And GM's, PD's
consultants, sales manglers are all signing on to HD....because they
believe it translates to future profits.

The most recent...what's the group, Bridge?....shows Radio revenues
off again this past quarter, alternatives coming on strong. Broadcast
companies are putting large resources behind alternative methods of
delivery, and non traditional revenue stream development, because it's
getting tougher to earn a buck with all the choices emerging.

Radio, in the face of this changing landscape, will do what Radio has
always done: Evolve to meet new market realties. It will surive by
changing. And what it may evolve into, it's very likely we wouldn't
recognize from where we are today. But it will survive, and HD is one,
ONLY one, of the paths influencing that evolution. Even as it trashes
the AM band for listeners in unusual circumstances like me and the
people in my community.

But there are multiple entities at each station signed on to HD.
Because it represents the possibility of future growth, and future
profitibility. Few, if any of them, draw a dime from Ibiquity.

More to topic, it's the same with DRM. There are stations worldwide
that have shown interest in supporting DRM, as the future of shortwave,
even as hit trashes the bands. Few of DRM's proponents draw
compensation from DRM.

That David works for/with/over/under/around/and though Univision (and
so did I for a brief time when they bought a TV station I was working)
and that Univision is a signatory to the Ibiquity agenda, and an
investor in Ibiquity as a company isn't really that big an issue. Many
companies own stock in Ibiquity. Few, if any of their employees benefit
financially from the position, given that almost none of the employees
of the larger media companies get bonuses when the company's holdings
return a dividend.

He's a corporate broadcaster. He's not saying anything here that I've
not heard from anyone I've ever worked with or for.

And I've disagreed with most of them. Personally, I'm thinking HD,
especially on AM is a gamble at best. A sentiment reflected in comments
from WGN's Cheap Engineer, who pulled the AM stereo, what now, 2 years
ago? 3? But hesitated installing HD because he wasn't sure it was 1) the
way to go, technically speaking, or 2) fiscally a responsible investment.

But like I said earlier this week: That I can no longer hear even
some of the big stations due to IBOC hash where I am in the far north
suburbs?...they don't care.

They don't have to.

Univision Sold for $13. Billion
 

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

dxAce wrote:



David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' since c.2000 and shameless
shill
wrote:

"RHF" wrote in message
ps.com...
Univision Sold for $13. Billion to a group of private investors.

http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news...t=Headlines&mo
re=/news/more-news.asp

http://www.nydailynews.com/business/...p-362965c.html

~ RHF

$12.7 billion, including assumption of liabilities. And that news is OLD.

Hopefully they'll can your fake Hispanic ass!

Oh yeah, you must be one of those 'liabilities'.

LMFAO

You mean to say David Eduardo is worth 0.3 Billion?

Not by a long shot. But Univision obviously thinks his time is well spent shilling
here.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

lazy ace
 

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:

David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' well known fake Hispanic since
c.2000 and paid shill for Univision/iBiquity wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Yes, one must remember it's not about the serious listening that HD/IBOC
assumes, but rather the serious money that Edweenie and his minions hope
to make
by selling an unsuspecting public something it doesn't really need.
Those of us in radio do not make any money from HD.

If you're not going to make any money from HD then why the hell do you spend a
good part of your day shilling for it?


Because he's going to make money from RADIO.

I mean, that's what HD is all about....keeping Radio profitable. If
HD benefits Radio, and he draws his paycheck from Radio, he makes money,
whether he gets paid by Ibiquity, or not.

I've worked with consultants in the 80's who had no financial ties to
CRL, who would permit nothing else in their Radio stations. They
benefitted through the increased profitability of the Radio stations
after the CRL hardware was installed. (Although, I've yet to see a knob
marked "Arbitron Share" on any transmitter processing device.)

And if the stations changed consultants, out came the CRL, and in
went the next processors du jour.

CRL faded when alternatives, with better, less crushing audio, came
about...and the loudness wars began to settle into uneasy truce. But
there are some consultants who still swear by CRL.

My last station, we finally ended that insanity, and went with Omnia
FM, that I acquired through a cashless deal with one of my equipment
suppliers outside of the stations supply chain. Omnia is so tuneable,
and so easily firmware upgraded, that it rendered most everything
undesirable for all the hassle.

That didn't keep our consultant from Bitching every day he was in
town about it. But, ****, we were top 3, and #1 in two dayparts, what's
he going to do?

Consultants are paid a retainer, and, depending on the contract, a
bonus pursuant to ratings performance. Many PD's and GM's are paid the
same way: According to performance, especially ratings improvements. But
also sales improvements like improved share conversion, increased
margins.... And most all of them have their pet gimmicks. Some it's
Selector. Some it's the latest computer networking solution. Some it's
audio processing, some the DAM system, some even get snippy about the
type, brand and model of the CD players in the dubbing suite. All with
no financial connections.

Right now the hot ticket is HD. AM or FM. (Which has all but wiped
out ALL AM listening at my home base...but **** me...I'm just an old
fart who sleeps with his dog...why would any radio station be interested
in me? Besides the disposable income, the freedom to spend it as I
please, and my wide ranging tastes, why bother to serve me? Or anyone in
my neighborhood? Or anyone within 10 miles of me?....but I'm no longer
served by Radio. So **** on me. But I digress....) And GM's, PD's
consultants, sales manglers are all signing on to HD....because they
believe it translates to future profits.

The most recent...what's the group, Bridge?....shows Radio revenues
off again this past quarter, alternatives coming on strong. Broadcast
companies are putting large resources behind alternative methods of
delivery, and non traditional revenue stream development, because it's
getting tougher to earn a buck with all the choices emerging.

Radio, in the face of this changing landscape, will do what Radio has
always done: Evolve to meet new market realties. It will surive by
changing. And what it may evolve into, it's very likely we wouldn't
recognize from where we are today. But it will survive, and HD is one,
ONLY one, of the paths influencing that evolution. Even as it trashes
the AM band for listeners in unusual circumstances like me and the
people in my community.

But there are multiple entities at each station signed on to HD.
Because it represents the possibility of future growth, and future
profitibility. Few, if any of them, draw a dime from Ibiquity.

More to topic, it's the same with DRM. There are stations worldwide
that have shown interest in supporting DRM, as the future of shortwave,
even as hit trashes the bands. Few of DRM's proponents draw
compensation from DRM.

That David works for/with/over/under/around/and though Univision (and
so did I for a brief time when they bought a TV station I was working)
and that Univision is a signatory to the Ibiquity agenda, and an
investor in Ibiquity as a company isn't really that big an issue. Many
companies own stock in Ibiquity. Few, if any of their employees benefit
financially from the position, given that almost none of the employees
of the larger media companies get bonuses when the company's holdings
return a dividend.

He's a corporate broadcaster. He's not saying anything here that I've
not heard from anyone I've ever worked with or for.

And I've disagreed with most of them. Personally, I'm thinking HD,
especially on AM is a gamble at best. A sentiment reflected in comments
from WGN's Cheap Engineer, who pulled the AM stereo, what now, 2 years
ago? 3? But hesitated installing HD because he wasn't sure it was 1) the
way to go, technically speaking, or 2) fiscally a responsible investment.

But like I said earlier this week: That I can no longer hear even
some of the big stations due to IBOC hash where I am in the far north
suburbs?...they don't care.

They don't have to.

A pox on them all.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

lazy ace
 

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' well known fake Hispanic since
c.2000 and paid shill for Univision/iBiquity wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Yes, one must remember it's not about the serious listening that HD/IBOC
assumes, but rather the serious money that Edweenie and his minions hope
to make
by selling an unsuspecting public something it doesn't really need.
Those of us in radio do not make any money from HD.
If you're not going to make any money from HD then why the hell do you spend a
good part of your day shilling for it?

Because he's going to make money from RADIO.

I mean, that's what HD is all about....keeping Radio profitable. If
HD benefits Radio, and he draws his paycheck from Radio, he makes money,
whether he gets paid by Ibiquity, or not.

I've worked with consultants in the 80's who had no financial ties to
CRL, who would permit nothing else in their Radio stations. They
benefitted through the increased profitability of the Radio stations
after the CRL hardware was installed. (Although, I've yet to see a knob
marked "Arbitron Share" on any transmitter processing device.)

And if the stations changed consultants, out came the CRL, and in
went the next processors du jour.

CRL faded when alternatives, with better, less crushing audio, came
about...and the loudness wars began to settle into uneasy truce. But
there are some consultants who still swear by CRL.

My last station, we finally ended that insanity, and went with Omnia
FM, that I acquired through a cashless deal with one of my equipment
suppliers outside of the stations supply chain. Omnia is so tuneable,
and so easily firmware upgraded, that it rendered most everything
undesirable for all the hassle.

That didn't keep our consultant from Bitching every day he was in
town about it. But, ****, we were top 3, and #1 in two dayparts, what's
he going to do?

Consultants are paid a retainer, and, depending on the contract, a
bonus pursuant to ratings performance. Many PD's and GM's are paid the
same way: According to performance, especially ratings improvements. But
also sales improvements like improved share conversion, increased
margins.... And most all of them have their pet gimmicks. Some it's
Selector. Some it's the latest computer networking solution. Some it's
audio processing, some the DAM system, some even get snippy about the
type, brand and model of the CD players in the dubbing suite. All with
no financial connections.

Right now the hot ticket is HD. AM or FM. (Which has all but wiped
out ALL AM listening at my home base...but **** me...I'm just an old
fart who sleeps with his dog...why would any radio station be interested
in me? Besides the disposable income, the freedom to spend it as I
please, and my wide ranging tastes, why bother to serve me? Or anyone in
my neighborhood? Or anyone within 10 miles of me?....but I'm no longer
served by Radio. So **** on me. But I digress....) And GM's, PD's
consultants, sales manglers are all signing on to HD....because they
believe it translates to future profits.

The most recent...what's the group, Bridge?....shows Radio revenues
off again this past quarter, alternatives coming on strong. Broadcast
companies are putting large resources behind alternative methods of
delivery, and non traditional revenue stream development, because it's
getting tougher to earn a buck with all the choices emerging.

Radio, in the face of this changing landscape, will do what Radio has
always done: Evolve to meet new market realties. It will surive by
changing. And what it may evolve into, it's very likely we wouldn't
recognize from where we are today. But it will survive, and HD is one,
ONLY one, of the paths influencing that evolution. Even as it trashes
the AM band for listeners in unusual circumstances like me and the
people in my community.

But there are multiple entities at each station signed on to HD.
Because it represents the possibility of future growth, and future
profitibility. Few, if any of them, draw a dime from Ibiquity.

More to topic, it's the same with DRM. There are stations worldwide
that have shown interest in supporting DRM, as the future of shortwave,
even as hit trashes the bands. Few of DRM's proponents draw
compensation from DRM.

That David works for/with/over/under/around/and though Univision (and
so did I for a brief time when they bought a TV station I was working)
and that Univision is a signatory to the Ibiquity agenda, and an
investor in Ibiquity as a company isn't really that big an issue. Many
companies own stock in Ibiquity. Few, if any of their employees benefit
financially from the position, given that almost none of the employees
of the larger media companies get bonuses when the company's holdings
return a dividend.

He's a corporate broadcaster. He's not saying anything here that I've
not heard from anyone I've ever worked with or for.

And I've disagreed with most of them. Personally, I'm thinking HD,
especially on AM is a gamble at best. A sentiment reflected in comments
from WGN's Cheap Engineer, who pulled the AM stereo, what now, 2 years
ago? 3? But hesitated installing HD because he wasn't sure it was 1) the
way to go, technically speaking, or 2) fiscally a responsible investment.

But like I said earlier this week: That I can no longer hear even
some of the big stations due to IBOC hash where I am in the far north
suburbs?...they don't care.

They don't have to.

A pox on them all.



ROFLMAO! If you only knew some of the people I've worked with, you'd
know how close to the bone that one really is.

lazy ace
 

Put an old timey Western ranch wooden post assembly by your antenna
(outside) and a sign that says,Lazy Ace.
cuhulin

lazy ace
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo, otherwise known as David Frackelton Gleason, spawn of the
Cuyahoga wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Yes, one must remember it's not about the serious listening that
HD/IBOC
assumes, but rather the serious money that Edweenie and his minions
hope
to make
by selling an unsuspecting public something it doesn't really need.

Those of us in radio do not make any money from HD. In fact, it costs us
in
new equipment and the iBiquity license we have to pay for from now on.

No money? Univision owns part of iBiquity, does it not? So therefore
Univision
will be a beneficiary of those licensing fees and by extension, you,
Edweenie,
will also be a beneficiary!

The investments by the broadcasters are minor, and were kind of seed capital
to get the larger investment bankers and private capital sources to finance
the development of HD. The likelihood of any gain from this pales compared
to the cost of converting stations, developing second FM channels,
marketing, etc.

lazy ace
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' well known fake Hispanic
since
c.2000 and paid shill for Univision/iBiquity wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Yes, one must remember it's not about the serious listening that
HD/IBOC
assumes, but rather the serious money that Edweenie and his minions
hope
to make
by selling an unsuspecting public something it doesn't really need.

Those of us in radio do not make any money from HD.

If you're not going to make any money from HD then why the hell do you
spend a
good part of your day shilling for it?

Because it is one of those investments, like a new transmitter, that
preserves the ongoing business model.

lazy ace
 

"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
The digital alternative may well be the doom of AM radio. No one
will
pay to listen to a slightly inferior version of FM.

Pay? there is no fee.

Buy the radio, no further fee. Get the radio, get far improved
quality.

I will bet you have not listened to HD AM either ever or recently,
especially with codec ver. 2.2.5.

No one will be attracted to it under any circumstances if its chief
selling point is that it's "almost as good as the alternatives"

FM HD is better than any other current distribution system, plus it is
free.

AM HD is as good as any alternative system, and is free. It is much
better
than Analog AM.

"as good as" isn't what you've said previously, but it's also not good
enough to cut the mustard.

AM HD compares favorably to most online streams, to iPod audio, and the that
available currently from satellite. It is vastly better than analog AM.

lazy ace
 

"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...


The only difference is in the improved audio quality. There is no such
thing
as "serious" radio listening... it is almost all done to accompany other
things, like working, driving, etc.

The people who listen to AM don't put a lot of priority on audio
quality.

Yes, they are all older, most are over 45, and a majority over 55. That is
not a salable demographic, so the band will die as the existing listeners
age and no new ones come in due to audio quality.

People who do put a big priority on audio quality listen to FM.

It is nowhere as simple as that. AM is a spoken word band because music
sounds inferior on it. In other words, AM dropped any programming that
nobody would listen to anyway.

You'll never lure any portion of the FM audience back to AM.

Yes, you can.

lazy ace
 

David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo' the only genuine fake
Hispanic to ever come out of Hawken School wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo, otherwise known as David Frackelton Gleason, spawn of the
Cuyahoga wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Yes, one must remember it's not about the serious listening that
HD/IBOC
assumes, but rather the serious money that Edweenie and his minions
hope
to make
by selling an unsuspecting public something it doesn't really need.

Those of us in radio do not make any money from HD. In fact, it costs us
in
new equipment and the iBiquity license we have to pay for from now on.

No money? Univision owns part of iBiquity, does it not? So therefore
Univision
will be a beneficiary of those licensing fees and by extension, you,
Edweenie,
will also be a beneficiary!

The investments by the broadcasters are minor, and were kind of seed capital
to get the larger investment bankers and private capital sources to finance
the development of HD. The likelihood of any gain from this pales compared
to the cost of converting stations, developing second FM channels,
marketing, etc.

But you're still gonna make a $ or two, right, shill?

lazy ace
 

"David" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:09:28 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



The only difference is in the improved audio quality. There is no such
thing
as "serious" radio listening... it is almost all done to accompany other
things, like working, driving, etc.


Aside from being quieter, it really doesn't sound any better.

It is much better fidelity and quality

David "The Shill" Eduardo
 

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

Frank Dresser wrote:

This is the death of AM Radio?

HALLELUJAH!! THERE IS THE PROMISE OF LIFE AFTER DEATH!!!

No nighttime IBOC and fewer interfering signals?

Might I somenight be able to DX the Farsi station from LA? It seems so
unlikely, but...

IN AM RADIO, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!!!!

Thank you for your prophetic vision of the death of AM radio. Thank you.

SAY AMEN, EVERYBODY!!!

Frank Dresser

Here here. If AM is as slow about dying as shortwave, people will be
enjoying it far into the future.

It has about 7 to 10 years of life as it is, since the remaining salable
demos in 35-54 will be over 55 in that time period, and there will be no
advertisers. Just paid religion, infomecials and stuff like that.

lazy ace
 

David Frackelton Gleason, Univision Radio's only pompous poseur wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
The digital alternative may well be the doom of AM radio. No one
will
pay to listen to a slightly inferior version of FM.

Pay? there is no fee.

Buy the radio, no further fee. Get the radio, get far improved
quality.

I will bet you have not listened to HD AM either ever or recently,
especially with codec ver. 2.2.5.

No one will be attracted to it under any circumstances if its chief
selling point is that it's "almost as good as the alternatives"

FM HD is better than any other current distribution system, plus it is
free.

AM HD is as good as any alternative system, and is free. It is much
better
than Analog AM.

"as good as" isn't what you've said previously, but it's also not good
enough to cut the mustard.

AM HD compares favorably to most online streams, to iPod audio, and the that
available currently from satellite. It is vastly better than analog AM.

Yeah, and it QRM's two additional channels to boot!

Wow!

A pox upon you and your spawn, Edweenie!

lazy ace
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

As has been shown, even at FCC level, there is no significant usage of
stations adjacent to locals in each market. So there is no loss if there
is
what ammounts to unmeasurable listening.

Again the marketing viewpoint. This isn't a radio marketing news group
it is a hobby news group where people listen for other reasons than
tuning in for the programming material. That is not to say that the
programming is not the reason as I have tuned in out of market stations
to get programs not offered in my area.

When I began DXing, I not only joined NRC, NNRC, IRC, MWC, NZDXL, etc., but
I also subscribed to Broadcasting and Sponsor and such and learned about the
reason why I was hearing what I heard. Now, you say hobbyists have no
interest in the actual stations they listen too. You just gave me another
reason not to answer verification (QSL) requests.

I don't hear listeners complaining. I hear mostly DXers whining.

You don't care about DXers in your job but you should posting to this
news group.

As a DXer going back to 1958, I think it is important for DXers to know
about the radio business. If you want to live in a fantasy land, and get
angry about HD, then that is OK. But don't condemn radio as an industry for
doing what most of us think is right for the future.

The greater good is trying to preserve the existing free terrestrial
broadcast system, which will not endure unless a digital alternative is
offered.

We got that through numerous posts you have made.

You may have. DXass certainly hasn't, nor has Steve and the now-absent
"IBOC_Sucks" guy.

Well I hate to break it to you but listening to adjacent stations is
"done" by the people reading this news group. How many times does
someone have to post a complaint here that IBOC degrades their
reception? Please don't come back with the marketing perspective because
I get it already.

the symbiotic relationship is changing. You should know about it.

Univision Sold for $13. Billion
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Not by a long shot. But Univision obviously thinks his time is well spent
shilling
here.

I do this while waiting in airports, or in down time before research
projects... or while listening to them....

You, on the other hand, have nothing to do _but_ attacking Hispanics,
Canadians, owners of R-75's and such.

lazy ace
 

David Frackelton Gleason blew beans out his ass yet again when he wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...


The only difference is in the improved audio quality. There is no such
thing
as "serious" radio listening... it is almost all done to accompany other
things, like working, driving, etc.

The people who listen to AM don't put a lot of priority on audio
quality.

Yes, they are all older, most are over 45, and a majority over 55. That is
not a salable demographic, so the band will die as the existing listeners
age and no new ones come in due to audio quality.

People who do put a big priority on audio quality listen to FM.

It is nowhere as simple as that. AM is a spoken word band because music
sounds inferior on it. In other words, AM dropped any programming that
nobody would listen to anyway.

You'll never lure any portion of the FM audience back to AM.

Yes, you can.

Heck, you're either 60, or almost 60 so that makes you a member of that
un-salable demographic.

Just why the **** is a member of that un-salable demographic doing the
programming for all those stations then.

Shouldn't they look at canning your un-salable fake Hispanic ass?

Univision Sold for $13. Billion
 

David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Not by a long shot. But Univision obviously thinks his time is well spent
shilling
here.

I do this while waiting in airports, or in down time before research
projects... or while listening to them....

You, on the other hand, have nothing to do _but_ attacking Hispanics,
Canadians, owners of R-75's and such.

Well, I do attack dumbass Canucks, fake Hispanics, illegal Hispanics and those
who are unfortunate enough to not be able to tell that they are R75's vs.
R-75's. (Look at the front panel, you pedantic *******!).

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Drake R7, R8, R8A and R8B

I swear by, not at, Drake receivers.©

lazy ace
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


The investments by the broadcasters are minor, and were kind of seed
capital
to get the larger investment bankers and private capital sources to
finance
the development of HD. The likelihood of any gain from this pales
compared
to the cost of converting stations, developing second FM channels,
marketing, etc.

But you're still gonna make a $ or two, right, shill?

No, we are not. Radio revenues are declining, not increasing. we are looking
for ways to sustain the business model. I don't think HD will be a profit
center for at least a half-decade, if not more, and that will nonly be from
the new HD 2 channels.

lazy ace
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


AM HD compares favorably to most online streams, to iPod audio, and the
that
available currently from satellite. It is vastly better than analog AM.

Yeah, and it QRM's two additional channels to boot!

Channels nobody is listening to.

David "The Shill" Eduardo
 

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

Frank Dresser wrote:

This is the death of AM Radio?

HALLELUJAH!! THERE IS THE PROMISE OF LIFE AFTER DEATH!!!

No nighttime IBOC and fewer interfering signals?

Might I somenight be able to DX the Farsi station from LA? It seems
so
unlikely, but...

IN AM RADIO, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!!!!

Thank you for your prophetic vision of the death of AM radio. Thank
you.

SAY AMEN, EVERYBODY!!!

Frank Dresser

Here here. If AM is as slow about dying as shortwave, people will be
enjoying it far into the future.

It has about 7 to 10 years of life as it is, since the remaining salable
demos in 35-54 will be over 55 in that time period, and there will be no
advertisers. Just paid religion, infomecials and stuff like that.


If it goes digital, I give it 5 years, max.

It already is going digital. Our first HD station has been on in HD for
nearly two years.

lazy ace
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

You'll never lure any portion of the FM audience back to AM.

Yes, you can.

Heck, you're either 60, or almost 60 so that makes you a member of that
un-salable demographic.

Just why the **** is a member of that un-salable demographic doing the
programming for all those stations then.

I am asked to do it because I am successful. A lot of this is based on
experience, knowledge and sills in directing talent.

Shouldn't they look at canning your un-salable fake Hispanic ass?

Not when I increase ratings consistently.

Univision Sold for $13. Billion
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Not by a long shot. But Univision obviously thinks his time is well
spent
shilling
here.

I do this while waiting in airports, or in down time before research
projects... or while listening to them....

You, on the other hand, have nothing to do _but_ attacking Hispanics,
Canadians, owners of R-75's and such.

Well, I do attack dumbass Canucks, fake Hispanics, illegal Hispanics and
those
who are unfortunate enough to not be able to tell that they are R75's vs.
R-75's. (Look at the front panel, you pedantic *******!).

What a hot button. I also have an R-8-b and an R*390.

WTFC.

David "The Shill" Eduardo
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

Frank Dresser wrote:

This is the death of AM Radio?

HALLELUJAH!! THERE IS THE PROMISE OF LIFE AFTER DEATH!!!

No nighttime IBOC and fewer interfering signals?

Might I somenight be able to DX the Farsi station from LA? It seems
so
unlikely, but...

IN AM RADIO, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!!!!

Thank you for your prophetic vision of the death of AM radio. Thank
you.

SAY AMEN, EVERYBODY!!!

Frank Dresser

Here here. If AM is as slow about dying as shortwave, people will be
enjoying it far into the future.

It has about 7 to 10 years of life as it is, since the remaining salable
demos in 35-54 will be over 55 in that time period, and there will be no
advertisers. Just paid religion, infomecials and stuff like that.


If it goes digital, I give it 5 years, max.

It already is going digital. Our first HD station has been on in HD for
nearly two years.

Yes, and if it becomes primarily digital, it has 5 years left, max. And
that's probably optimistic.

David "The Shill" Eduardo
 

"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...

If it goes digital, I give it 5 years, max.

It already is going digital. Our first HD station has been on in HD for
nearly two years.

Yes, and if it becomes primarily digital, it has 5 years left, max. And
that's probably optimistic.

But that is not going to happen unless most radios are HD capable. This
probably means that it will never happen.

I have never heard it discussed.

Univision Sold for $13. Billion
 

David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', Univision Radio's
over-the-hill programmer wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Not by a long shot. But Univision obviously thinks his time is well
spent
shilling
here.

I do this while waiting in airports, or in down time before research
projects... or while listening to them....

You, on the other hand, have nothing to do _but_ attacking Hispanics,
Canadians, owners of R-75's and such.

Well, I do attack dumbass Canucks, fake Hispanics, illegal Hispanics and
those
who are unfortunate enough to not be able to tell that they are R75's vs.
R-75's. (Look at the front panel, you pedantic *******!).

What a hot button. I also have an R-8-b and an R*390.

No hot button here, boy. You are purely entertainment.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

David "The Shill" Eduardo
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...

If it goes digital, I give it 5 years, max.

It already is going digital. Our first HD station has been on in HD for
nearly two years.

Yes, and if it becomes primarily digital, it has 5 years left, max. And
that's probably optimistic.

But that is not going to happen unless most radios are HD capable. This
probably means that it will never happen.

I have never heard it discussed.

I agree. It will never happen.

lazy ace
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Telamon" wrote in message
...

As has been shown, even at FCC level, there is no significant usage of
stations adjacent to locals in each market. So there is no loss if there
is
what ammounts to unmeasurable listening.

Again the marketing viewpoint. This isn't a radio marketing news group
it is a hobby news group where people listen for other reasons than
tuning in for the programming material. That is not to say that the
programming is not the reason as I have tuned in out of market stations
to get programs not offered in my area.

When I began DXing, I not only joined NRC, NNRC, IRC, MWC, NZDXL, etc., but
I also subscribed to Broadcasting and Sponsor and such and learned about the
reason why I was hearing what I heard. Now, you say hobbyists have no
interest in the actual stations they listen too. You just gave me another
reason not to answer verification (QSL) requests.

Snip

Where did I indicate that I or others don't care about the stations we
listen too? I'm saying other people have reasons other than my own.

Some people like to DX stations, which often are the adjacent channels
to the locals. I don't DX to get QSL cards but other people do as a
hobby. I listen to out of market stations for the programming because I
am a program listener. I also tune through the AMBCB day and night to
see what distant stations I can hear. IBOC is limiting what I can hear.
I actually spend most of my listening time to out of my market stations
from the LA and San Diego areas by day and points further north and east
of me like KGO and KOH at night.

I spend the majority listening of my AMBCB listening to KOGO, KFI, KABC,
KNX and the local KVTA by day and add KGO and KOH at night. I spend a
little time with KTMS during the day, I can't get them very well at
night.

I would listen to KRLA but they put in a lousy signal even during the
day.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

lazy ace
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Snip

Where did I indicate that I or others don't care about the stations we
listen too? I'm saying other people have reasons other than my own.

If you say there is no interest in knowing about HD, then there is a de
facto lack of interest in the stations.

Univision Sold for $13. Billion
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Not by a long shot. But Univision obviously thinks his time is
well spent shilling here.

I do this while waiting in airports, or in down time before
research projects... or while listening to them....

You, on the other hand, have nothing to do _but_ attacking
Hispanics, Canadians, owners of R-75's and such.

Well, I do attack dumbass Canucks, fake Hispanics, illegal
Hispanics and those who are unfortunate enough to not be able to
tell that they are R75's vs. R-75's. (Look at the front panel, you
pedantic *******!).

What a hot button. I also have an R-8-b and an R*390.

How does the sound from the R8B compare to the R390? What do you use
for speakers on each radio? What antennas do you use?

I own a Drake R8B and an Ten-Tech RX340 that I use most of the time.

For AMBCB I use a 50 foot circumference shielded loop antenna in a
rectangular shape and Sony bookshelf speakers.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

lazy ace
 

David Eduardo wrote:
The greater good is trying to preserve the existing free terrestrial
broadcast system, which will not endure unless a digital alternative is
offered.

We got that through numerous posts you have made.

You may have. DXass certainly hasn't, nor has Steve and the now-absent
"IBOC_Sucks" guy.


And yet, you're the one who wrote, in post 173, that AM will never
become primarily digital and, in fact, you say you "have never heard it
discussed."

I think you need to get your story straight. Is digital the future or
not? And don't tell me that you think the "digital alternative" is the
half assed deployment of HD we've seen over the last couple of years.
If that's the case, then it's totally nap time for this thread.

lazy ace
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Snip

Where did I indicate that I or others don't care about the stations we
listen too? I'm saying other people have reasons other than my own.

If you say there is no interest in knowing about HD, then there is a de
facto lack of interest in the stations.

I know about HD and I don't think it has big enough payoff for the
listener for the cost of equipment.

I do not like the way HD is being implemented on AMBCB causing
interference to distant stations.

I don't like the fact that IBOC adversely affects my listening of analog
signals.

I listen to stations that are transmitting IBOC but I don't have a
receiver to get the digital signal. I might get a HD radio when the V2
radios come out if the IBOC standard continues to look stable. For
starters the makers of HD radios should make them upgradable and I
would like IBOC to be an open standard.

Where do my posts indicate a non-interest about AMBCB stations that use
IBOC?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Univision Sold for $13. Billion
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Not by a long shot. But Univision obviously thinks his time is well
spent
shilling
here.

I do this while waiting in airports, or in down time before research
projects... or while listening to them....

You, on the other hand, have nothing to do _but_ attacking Hispanics,
Canadians, owners of R-75's and such.

Well, I do attack dumbass Canucks, fake Hispanics, illegal Hispanics and
those
who are unfortunate enough to not be able to tell that they are R75's vs.
R-75's. (Look at the front panel, you pedantic *******!).

What a hot button. I also have an R-8-b and an R*390.

WTFC.

Hey iBiquity shill, take a look at this !

From RWOnline:

IBOC Pulled From FCC Agenda for Now

For a while there it looked like we'd get some decisions at last on
various important aspects of digital radio in the United States. But
the FCC pulled the final authorization for IBOC off its agenda Thursday

morning. A spokesman told RW Online, "It isn't done."

Stations will have to wait longer for easier notification procedures
when they fire up their digital transmitters or decide to multicast.

There was no indication of when commissioners might finalize the item,
which was expected to include a provision for multicasting, so stations

would no longer need an STA to split their digital signals, as well as
a strategy to handle AM nighttime authorization.

lazy ace
 

"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
The greater good is trying to preserve the existing free terrestrial
broadcast system, which will not endure unless a digital alternative
is
offered.

We got that through numerous posts you have made.

You may have. DXass certainly hasn't, nor has Steve and the now-absent
"IBOC_Sucks" guy.


And yet, you're the one who wrote, in post 173, that AM will never
become primarily digital and, in fact, you say you "have never heard it
discussed."

I think that most listening in the future will be to the digital signal, not
the analog. I have never heard anyone talk about turning analog off.

This Really Sucks
 

Pete KE9OA wrote:
Neither WBBM, WTMJ, not WGN seemed to care. First hand experience, since I
am one of the people who contacted them, letting them know that they had
lost a listener. They don't care. They are too busy putting on appearances,
being "with it".

Clearly,but if "loyal listeners" called or emailed that it sounds like
someone taking a shower all day they might do something.
DX'ers are a non issue to them. and who actually listens to WBBM anyway?
There's never a moment of silence between news and commercials,never


Pete

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. ..

"David" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:03:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


I currently have that problem here with a station I used to listen to
regularly on
790 that is now totally obliterated by the daytime IBOC from 780.

No can listen no more.

I know the station itself could care less.

You are an idiot. I don't know a real broadcaster on the planet who
reacts with indifference when told his signal is getting trashed and
that he has lost a listener.

If they are out of the metro (MSA), we don't care. There is no money in
out of market audience.

lazy ace
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.com...

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


AM HD compares favorably to most online streams, to iPod audio, and the
that
available currently from satellite. It is vastly better than analog AM.

Yeah, and it QRM's two additional channels to boot!

Channels nobody is listening to.


David, **** OFF! I don't generally use foul language, but you bring it out
in me. And that ain't good. You keep saying nobody is listening. Well, you
are then calling everyone in this NG, and tens-to-hundreds of thousands of
people across the US, and hundreds-of-thousands to MILLIONS in Canada,
Mexico and the Caribbean "nobody".

The measurement of out of market listening in the US and Mexico shows that
there is next to zero listening to out of market signals. Compared to the
gain to be had with HD, the infentissimal loss of out of market listening is
a very reasonable trade. we are talking about a minor sacrifice, and in
exchange getting a possible extension of the product life of both AM and FM
radio.

In the Aribtron data, which includes every county in the US and Puerto Rico,
there are only a couple of hundred stations out of 13,500 that get listening
outside their own market (MSA). Most of these cases are adjacent markets,
like Riverside and LA or Palm Beach and the Miami MSA, and are for mostly
FM. A few AM cases are known, mostly like WGN and WLS that have local, and
protected, signals in several adjacent metros due to the unusual ground
conductivith of parts of the Midwest. These are very few in number.

In the Caribbean, there are ISLANDS. There is no listening from one Island
to another on AM or FM. The listening patterns are like the US, but the
local bands tend to be fuller so stations in other towns on the same islands
can´t be heard (Puerto Rico ha 132 stations) And geography makes out of
market FM listening impssible. AM is almost gone in the Lesser Antilles,
with more than half the AMs of 25 years ago gone, and the local listening is
to FM.

In Mexico, there is a very high station density, so much so that AMs have
reduced power because they do not get any gain from rural coverage... as
there are local stations in all areas.

We take great offense to that. I consider your IBOC shilling SPAM, and if
you continue with it on this NG, I will personally mount a campaign to
have you releaved of your internet access. WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT! Not
the shilling, and not the QRM. GO AWAY!

I am so scared I am trembling.

You can't fact the facts, obviously.

lazy ace
 

David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', fake Hispanic since c.2000 and
paid shill for Univision Radio/iBiquity wrote:

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.com...

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


AM HD compares favorably to most online streams, to iPod audio, and the
that
available currently from satellite. It is vastly better than analog AM.

Yeah, and it QRM's two additional channels to boot!

Channels nobody is listening to.


David, **** OFF! I don't generally use foul language, but you bring it out
in me. And that ain't good. You keep saying nobody is listening. Well, you
are then calling everyone in this NG, and tens-to-hundreds of thousands of
people across the US, and hundreds-of-thousands to MILLIONS in Canada,
Mexico and the Caribbean "nobody".

The measurement of out of market listening in the US and Mexico shows that
there is next to zero listening to out of market signals. Compared to the
gain to be had with HD, the infentissimal loss of out of market listening is
a very reasonable trade. we are talking about a minor sacrifice, and in
exchange getting a possible extension of the product life of both AM and FM
radio.

In the Aribtron data, which includes every county in the US and Puerto Rico,
there are only a couple of hundred stations out of 13,500 that get listening
outside their own market (MSA). Most of these cases are adjacent markets,
like Riverside and LA or Palm Beach and the Miami MSA, and are for mostly
FM. A few AM cases are known, mostly like WGN and WLS that have local, and
protected, signals in several adjacent metros due to the unusual ground
conductivith of parts of the Midwest. These are very few in number.

In the Caribbean, there are ISLANDS. There is no listening from one Island
to another on AM or FM. The listening patterns are like the US, but the
local bands tend to be fuller so stations in other towns on the same islands
can´t be heard (Puerto Rico ha 132 stations) And geography makes out of
market FM listening impssible. AM is almost gone in the Lesser Antilles,
with more than half the AMs of 25 years ago gone, and the local listening is
to FM.

In Mexico, there is a very high station density, so much so that AMs have
reduced power because they do not get any gain from rural coverage... as
there are local stations in all areas.

We take great offense to that. I consider your IBOC shilling SPAM, and if
you continue with it on this NG, I will personally mount a campaign to
have you releaved of your internet access. WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT! Not
the shilling, and not the QRM. GO AWAY!

I am so scared I am trembling.

"You need to take a drink or a pill or a toke or something."

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA