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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.com...

AM is not a person. There is no dignity in its death, but there is the
loss
off tens of thousands of jobs, and the losses to maybe hundreds of
thousands
of mutual fund shareholders, insurance companies and pension plans.

[snip]

Oh, my. This is serious. And since all the AM listeners are projected to
become FM listeners, the ad money will similiarly go the FM stations. Will
the FM stations be able to hire some of the current AM workers? Not if
those AM workers die with AM radio, they won't.

And those poor investors? Well, if they're looking ahead, they'll be
selling Clear Channel and buying -- oh, I dunno -- maybe Clear Channel.

Frank Dresser

"Steve" wrote in message
s.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

Huh? We are trying to preserve the value of tens of billions of dollars
worth of AM stations by keeping them viable for longer.

The truth is more along the lines of "We are trying to make a quick
buck while the opportunity still exists."

There is no way to make a quick buck in radio. If you know how, please
illuminate us. Otherwise, do what you keep telling me to do: stuff it. Your
defense for soing nothing is based on a total lack of facts, no alternate
plan, no alternatives. You just criticize what is being done, yet have no
suggestions... just invective.

This is how AM radio in the Western Hemisphere and, probably, Asia is
going
to be. If you think reality is in disagreement with your interests, don't
blame me. Go see a psychiatrist.

If you're right, then the decline of AM will go from rapid to greased
lightning.

Since HD does not interfere with existing AM listening in analog, try
explaining this one, too.

I'm pretty sure that "putting down" refers to the interests of folks in
this newsgroup. You might want to read the next post you reply to. That
said, HD does not even promise to keep AM viable. It is simply an
alternative form of death. Face this simple fact and pull your fat
little head out of the sand.

Proof? This is like saying in 1960 that FM stereo will kill FM. Existing
receivers are compatible, and those with new receivers get a better quality.

The losers: an tiny handful of DXers on AM, and a very few listeners to
distant signals. The DXers will adapt (just as they did to 24/7 schedules in
the 50's and 60's) and the distant "regulars" will have to go to satellite,
streaming, etc.

David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', since c.2000 wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
s.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

Huh? We are trying to preserve the value of tens of billions of dollars
worth of AM stations by keeping them viable for longer.

The truth is more along the lines of "We are trying to make a quick
buck while the opportunity still exists."

There is no way to make a quick buck in radio. If you know how, please
illuminate us. Otherwise, do what you keep telling me to do: stuff it. Your
defense for soing nothing is based on a total lack of facts, no alternate
plan, no alternatives. You just criticize what is being done, yet have no
suggestions... just invective.

This is how AM radio in the Western Hemisphere and, probably, Asia is
going
to be. If you think reality is in disagreement with your interests, don't
blame me. Go see a psychiatrist.

If you're right, then the decline of AM will go from rapid to greased
lightning.

Since HD does not interfere with existing AM listening in analog, try
explaining this one, too.

Sure it does, Edweenie! It DESTROYS the two adjacent channels, you blubbering
nitwit!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
s.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

Huh? We are trying to preserve the value of tens of billions of dollars
worth of AM stations by keeping them viable for longer.

The truth is more along the lines of "We are trying to make a quick
buck while the opportunity still exists."

There is no way to make a quick buck in radio. If you know how, please
illuminate us. Otherwise, do what you keep telling me to do: stuff it. Your
defense for soing nothing is based on a total lack of facts, no alternate
plan, no alternatives. You just criticize what is being done, yet have no
suggestions... just invective.

That's more than you have, Sunshine.

This is how AM radio in the Western Hemisphere and, probably, Asia is
going
to be. If you think reality is in disagreement with your interests, don't
blame me. Go see a psychiatrist.

If you're right, then the decline of AM will go from rapid to greased
lightning.

Since HD does not interfere with existing AM listening in analog, try
explaining this one, too.

It does interfere with existing AM listening, nutsack. Maybe you should
actually turn on a radio one of these days. You've apparently never
heard one.

I'm pretty sure that "putting down" refers to the interests of folks in
this newsgroup. You might want to read the next post you reply to. That
said, HD does not even promise to keep AM viable. It is simply an
alternative form of death. Face this simple fact and pull your fat
little head out of the sand.

Proof? This is like saying in 1960 that FM stereo will kill FM.

No. Not at all.

Existing
receivers are compatible, and those with new receivers get a better quality.

The losers: an tiny handful of DXers on AM, and a very few listeners to
distant signals. The DXers will adapt (just as they did to 24/7 schedules in
the 50's and 60's) and the distant "regulars" will have to go to satellite,
streaming, etc.

A tiny handful of people who appear to have you worried enough to keep
coming back to this group again and again and again. You sure seem
preoccupied with this unimportant group.

''mine'' are natural analog mono/stereo,muffled by doggys couch seat
cushions.One time,in the winter time,she came boiling out from her
blanket on her couch,she jumped on the hard wood floor and barked her
arse off at me.
cuhulin

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You
remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you
can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't
news. But the fact remains.

That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no
interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is
there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't
change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out
that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only
really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos
you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the
content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen
outside of the city grade contour.

But, until there are receivers out there... nobody is going to cange much in
a succesful (still) format. The changes will come in second tier formats, I
think... and in modifications of existing ones to broaden them. WGN has to
change, as it is in a revenue death spin, and is hurting the Trib's stock
price single handed.

That's exactly my point...it's a gamble. A crap shoot. Targeting the
superficiality and subjective perception of audio quality. While the real
attraction to listening is content.

No station today will do a youjnger A format. There is still time to adapt
as HD gets into user hands. This is a 5 year issue. Keep in mind that
satellite has talken 5 years to get to around 11 million subscribers. Of
course, this is a poor analogy as satellite seems to have hit a wall... and
may truly never be viable financially.

You've noted growth at your AM's on the West Coast. Those are due to
content, not audio quality. And your growth has exceeded expectations.

But the growth is in existing older formats on stations that were not doing
well, like KLOK. Its a stop-gap until HD makes younger formats viable. Our
main Miami AM station has an average age of 72!

Whether HD has been implemented or not, HD's 'improved' audio quality is
not a factor, since receiving hardware is both expensive and not widely
available.

$149 car radio this week. 6 others, from the Tivoli on down were announced.

In fact, your share increase would exceed the number of HD radios sold in
those markets were explosive growth has taken place. IF HD audio is not a
factor, it's the content that's attracting listeners. In under 45 demo's
at that.

Nope, It is all older, and we are talking about going form 0.4 to 0.6 in
some cases. Holding the water out of the fields by putting a finger in the
dike. Waiting for the chance that HD affords us.

However, HD is putting that content off limits to potential listeners,
by trashing the bands in weak signal areas with other station's HD rash.
If noise and audio quality are, indeed, factors keeping AM from stable
growth, or at least stable levels of listenership, increasing noise found
in HD sidebands is not going to be a viable solution.

None of the stations I have studied gets any real listening outside of its 5
mv/m signal area (and what there is is suspect... probably done in the car,
etc) and most is inside the 10 mv/m. In LA, nearly all our listening is
inside the 15 mv/m due to the high noise levels in this market.

We don't lose anything. In fact, the AM HD is useable farther than analog
due to analog noise.

Then, again, if audio quality is really an issue, that same Tejano
format on HD2, since HD radios must resolve both AM and FM HD, will
present an attraction of listeners away from the AM station, even if
listening is done in AM HD.

The AM will probably go away eventually. It is one of the AMs that shoud
never have existed. As long as we keep the audience, and expand it, we
really don't care what the delivery method is.

It's a gamble... but doing nothing is not an alternative.

India truck drivers are coming to U.S.A.Are they going to ''fight'' the
illegal aliens from South of our U.S.A.Borders for 18 wheeler truck
driving jobs in U.S.A.?
cuhulin

Steve wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
s.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

Huh? We are trying to preserve the value of tens of billions of dollars
worth of AM stations by keeping them viable for longer.

The truth is more along the lines of "We are trying to make a quick
buck while the opportunity still exists."

There is no way to make a quick buck in radio. If you know how, please
illuminate us. Otherwise, do what you keep telling me to do: stuff it. Your
defense for soing nothing is based on a total lack of facts, no alternate
plan, no alternatives. You just criticize what is being done, yet have no
suggestions... just invective.

That's more than you have, Sunshine.

This is how AM radio in the Western Hemisphere and, probably, Asia is
going
to be. If you think reality is in disagreement with your interests, don't
blame me. Go see a psychiatrist.

If you're right, then the decline of AM will go from rapid to greased
lightning.

Since HD does not interfere with existing AM listening in analog, try
explaining this one, too.

It does interfere with existing AM listening, nutsack. Maybe you should
actually turn on a radio one of these days. You've apparently never
heard one.

I'm pretty sure that "putting down" refers to the interests of folks in
this newsgroup. You might want to read the next post you reply to. That
said, HD does not even promise to keep AM viable. It is simply an
alternative form of death. Face this simple fact and pull your fat
little head out of the sand.

Proof? This is like saying in 1960 that FM stereo will kill FM.

No. Not at all.

Existing
receivers are compatible, and those with new receivers get a better quality.

The losers: an tiny handful of DXers on AM, and a very few listeners to
distant signals. The DXers will adapt (just as they did to 24/7 schedules in
the 50's and 60's) and the distant "regulars" will have to go to satellite,
streaming, etc.

A tiny handful of people who appear to have you worried enough to keep
coming back to this group again and again and again. You sure seem
preoccupied with this unimportant group.

Obsessed!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You
remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you
can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't
news. But the fact remains.

That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no
interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is
there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't
change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out
that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only
really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos
you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the
content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen
outside of the city grade contour.

But, until there are receivers out there... nobody is going to cange much in
a succesful (still) format. The changes will come in second tier formats, I
think... and in modifications of existing ones to broaden them. WGN has to
change, as it is in a revenue death spin, and is hurting the Trib's stock
price single handed.

That's exactly my point...it's a gamble. A crap shoot. Targeting the
superficiality and subjective perception of audio quality. While the real
attraction to listening is content.

No station today will do a youjnger A format. There is still time to adapt
as HD gets into user hands. This is a 5 year issue. Keep in mind that
satellite has talken 5 years to get to around 11 million subscribers. Of
course, this is a poor analogy as satellite seems to have hit a wall... and
may truly never be viable financially.

You've noted growth at your AM's on the West Coast. Those are due to
content, not audio quality. And your growth has exceeded expectations.

But the growth is in existing older formats on stations that were not doing
well, like KLOK. Its a stop-gap until HD makes younger formats viable. Our
main Miami AM station has an average age of 72!

Whether HD has been implemented or not, HD's 'improved' audio quality is
not a factor, since receiving hardware is both expensive and not widely
available.

$149 car radio this week. 6 others, from the Tivoli on down were announced.

In fact, your share increase would exceed the number of HD radios sold in
those markets were explosive growth has taken place. IF HD audio is not a
factor, it's the content that's attracting listeners. In under 45 demo's
at that.

Nope, It is all older, and we are talking about going form 0.4 to 0.6 in
some cases. Holding the water out of the fields by putting a finger in the
dike. Waiting for the chance that HD affords us.

However, HD is putting that content off limits to potential listeners,
by trashing the bands in weak signal areas with other station's HD rash.
If noise and audio quality are, indeed, factors keeping AM from stable
growth, or at least stable levels of listenership, increasing noise found
in HD sidebands is not going to be a viable solution.

None of the stations I have studied gets any real listening outside of its 5
mv/m signal area (and what there is is suspect... probably done in the car,
etc) and most is inside the 10 mv/m. In LA, nearly all our listening is
inside the 15 mv/m due to the high noise levels in this market.

We don't lose anything. In fact, the AM HD is useable farther than analog
due to analog noise.

Then, again, if audio quality is really an issue, that same Tejano
format on HD2, since HD radios must resolve both AM and FM HD, will
present an attraction of listeners away from the AM station, even if
listening is done in AM HD.

The AM will probably go away eventually. It is one of the AMs that shoud
never have existed. As long as we keep the audience, and expand it, we
really don't care what the delivery method is.

It's a gamble... but doing nothing is not an alternative.

If this is the best you can come up with, I suggest you read up on how
to put satellites into orbit.

dxAce wrote:
Steve wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM
content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in
users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if
there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in
how good it may or may not sound.

Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can
tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band
dies.

The only potential uptick I see is in those auto systems where HD is
included as a standard feature. Sampling of HD, at that point, would be a
natural extension of radio sampling in general...playing with a new radio
in a new car is fairly commonplace. See what it sounds like, on both
bands...even if only to set the presets...there's still sampling going on.
In that context, HD may get a fair hearing, and perhaps some encouraging
acceptance.

That is exactly what will be the make-or-break as to AM. FM is healthy. It
will become healthier with HD 2 channels. It can potentially drage AM back
into the game. This is why none of the big operators has sold a viable AM in
years... all believe the value will be enhanced by HD. That is a
many-billion-dollar gamble.

So, as with most radio techological innovations, it's going to have to be
in the cars in order to expose that captive audience to a fair hearing of
HD-AM for an interest to be generated. (This, despite the fact that a
majority of listening is not in cars.) But for those listeners who would
have to actively pursue an HD experience without current regular AM
usage...I'm not seeing it.

Cars are where Americans are forced to get a new radio. Obviously, there is
a trickle down aspect, as not everyone buys new cars (ever) and not everyone
buys a new car every year or two. But this is the opportunity for AM. It is
not an overnighter, but the band is fading, not exploding.

So far, you've been talking about how the stations love HD-AM. You and
I know that the success of any radio station is found in listener centric
product and behaviour. The point that radio stations love HD-AM is
unimportant. It's the listener's embrace that matters. And outside of
controlled demostrations, there is nothing to suggest that there is more
interest in HD-AM than in C-Quam. And the jury will be out for some time
to come.

We are years away from being able to evaluate listener response, which will
be based on product demand. But the few reports that have started coming in
are favorable. On the FM side, we put a Tejano format on last week ont he
KLTN HD2 channel, and we have registered several hundred calls (the format
is on a marginal AM as well) asking about how to buy radios and all were
very excited. This, perhaps and even hopefully will rub off on AM.

Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this
use of this name promote your business?

It's true! Right about that time he ceased being David_Gleason and became David
Eduardo on the net.

Now he claims to have been baptized 'Eduardo' in 1947, up in Cleveland, Ohio. He
was born David Frackelton Gleason in 1946.

One wonders why, when he spent so much time in Mexico, Ecuador, San Juan, etc., he
did not use the 'Eduardo' shtick at that time? He had business cards printed,
signed letters to listeners, was on HCJB, had his name in radio publications, both
professional and hobby (most often appearing as David Gleason and at times as
David F. Gleason) and NEVER once does the name 'Eduardo' ever come up.

If one looks at his resume page, one very telling item is his mothers death notice
which appears to be dated 1997 which lists her survivors as:

Carolyn G. Oberndorf, David Gleason, H. Lansing Vail, Thomas V. H. Vail, Jane
Vaughn and Stanton K. Gleason.

Wonder why David didn't at least get an F. tossed in there, let alone an E. F.?
At least his stepbrother got the V. H. put in.

Bottom line, he certainly is a Frackelton, but he sure as hell isn't an 'Eduardo',
at least until right around the year 2000 when he adopted that shtick, apparently
right around the time he discovered that he could check off a box on the Census
form and become an instant Hispanic.

Most likely somehow all related to his business activities.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

It doesn't get much lamer than that.

Steve