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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Oh yeah, he has indicated to me that he currently has a Drake R8B and two R75's. So I wonder if he ever actually disposed of the Drake, or whether that was yet more of Edweenies BS? I gave away the Drake I had in LA, keeping the Ten Tec in Prescott and the R-75 in the Desert. I added a newer R8B later, as I got the bug for DXing Mexican AMs again. I also gave away an NRD 525 to an NRC member who was retired and needed a good radio. Hey, I'm retired and I need another good radio or two. Why don't you send me that R8B and the Ten-Tec? After all, you don't use them very much. The person I gave the 525 to had a long history of serving the NRC, as an editor, contributor and fine DXer. He prepared the most extensive list of Mexican AMs known, and was in radio and print as a professional all his life. Unlike you, he deserved the radio. So where is the other 'R-75'? You said you had two (2). dxAce Michigan USA |
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Whats her name Joan Fontaine in this old Suspicion movie on Radio tv,,,
she ought to take off that cat hat and that pin striped suit and those spectacles and put on a dress and let her hair down and she would be A OK lookin. cuhulin |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's a gamble... but doing nothing is not an alternative. If this is the best you can come up with, I suggest you read up on how to put satellites into orbit. That is an even worse business model. There is some doubt that satellite will be profitable before WiMax makes it obsolete, with better reception in the long run... especially in home and at work, where satellite is a frail contender. Gee, in that case it looks like your f*cked. Not to mention BUSTED!!! |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Hmmm. That is interesting. I also noticed that in 2004 in San Diego he participated in a panel discussion about the future of radio as "David Gleason". A link is he All the participants were listed by the simple form of thier name. He's obviously got some kind of scam going. How so? I have 4 names. Two first names, a middle name which is also my maternal surname, and a last n ame, which is my paternal surname. Simple. Well now you have a 5th name and that's BUSTED! |
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David Eduardo wrote: Listeners like you are not of any "value" to the local market. Since ratings show listening to stations by location, your listening to DX does not help the distant station... since your listening shows up in Grand Rapids, not in the home market to the station. At least he's not BUSTED!! |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't news. But the fact remains. That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen outside of the city grade contour. But, until there are receivers out there... nobody is going to cange much in a succesful (still) format. The changes will come in second tier formats, I think... and in modifications of existing ones to broaden them. WGN has to change, as it is in a revenue death spin, and is hurting the Trib's stock price single handed. So, WGN is waiting for receivers to fall into listeners' hands before lowering their demo target? I don't think they know how to change the demos on that one. This may be an example of the casualties of very old leaning AMs. They will have to very much remake the station for it to work for anyone. Once sampled, if the audio quality is attractive but the content hasn't changed, there will likely not be a resampling. Leaving HD to benefit those who already listen and enjoy. I think once there are enough receivers, stations with very old profiles will make changes, even at the risk of losing the big 12+ numbers. WGN coiuld lose 60% of its audience, and yet not be any less salable today. They will probably survey the under 55 listeners to see what they like and focus there, killing the 55+ content. Master AM programmer Gabe Hobbs, while at WFLA, instructed the hosts to address the elderly as, "are you one of those blue haired old ladies from..." or "sir, would you put your dentures in so we can understand you?" This essentially blew away the oldedr crowd, and was perceived as amusing by the younger listeners who then felt the station was "theirs." WGN will eventually have to do that. But not providing anything more attractive than audio quality for those who generally do not. If audio quality were the only selling point to KEZK, it would still be Schulke. And WRTH would have never been 'Beautiful Music.' It's the content that attracted and held listeners to each. Granted this is in an era when FM still had novelty listening, but the point is, when the audience began to shift from AM to FM, it was the content on the stations of either band that changed to create viable audiences...audio quality was only a factor where content requiring audio quality was concerned. Music went to FM, where off main music formats and talk took over AM. There were several qualities for youth. First, most FMs positioned as having less ocmmercials and less talk. Second, they emphasized the quality. AM became solid talk more due to the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine than anything else. A few operators, like Randy Michaels, realized tha the "dead" band had life for talk for over-35 listeners. In the early 70's, I put what was the 4th independent (not a spinn off from a simulcat FM) FM CHR on in Birmingham (First were WMYQ, WDRQ and KLSQ) and the biggest factors were the low commercial load and the quality. But I think success came as a product of both, not one or the other. The station hit #1 in its first year, too. And this was also at a time when AM was still wideband. On my McKay, an well done AM station could hold its own against an FM station without breathing hard. Even doing music. It was also the era when cheap receivers deemphasized AM, and flooded the market. In PR in '75 and on, Grego Ogrinosky and I discovered adjusting one of the earliest tri-band audio processors using an assortment of radios from k-Mart. If it sounded nice on my Dymek, I knew it was going to sound bad on the average radio. This was Leonard Kahn's sacred evangel: that AM is capable of the same, if not better audio, than native FM. That is to say, without the pre/de-emphasis that gives FM it's lower noise figure. Without that, audio quality of FM sux. The problem is that Lenard cost AM the time advantage. In 1978, AM had nearly 60% of all lsiteneing. In 1982, it had less than 50%. It was already over. Today, only by riding on an FM based system on the same chip do we have any hope. What I think will happen is that many second tier stations, ones that co ver just enough, but are not the top talker or sports staiton, will try formats that can be viable via HD. It will expand the raqnge of offerings, and make sush stations viable. Keep in mind that most markets have only 3 or 4 viable AMs. Some, like DC, have none. Just look at Chicago... 560, 670, 890, 780 are the only fully viable AMs for the metro. Then there are second tier ones, like 1000, 1160... and after that, nothing. Phoenix has only 2. San Diego has 1. San Francisco has 3, Cleveland has, maybe 2. Miami has one. Atlanta has 1. St. Louis has two. All the other AMs are less than perfect coverage, or totally defective. That's exactly my point...it's a gamble. A crap shoot. Targeting the superficiality and subjective perception of audio quality. While the real attraction to listening is content. No station today will do a youjnger A format. There is still time to adapt as HD gets into user hands. This is a 5 year issue. Keep in mind that satellite has talken 5 years to get to around 11 million subscribers. Of course, this is a poor analogy as satellite seems to have hit a wall... and may truly never be viable financially. I think the marginal but potential stations will do new formats. Most of these are in the hands of larger companies, and they will. invest in the facilities. And yet, you yourself have admitted that AM may not have 5 years to make it. The deathknell may sound before that. So, with time of the essence, content change must begin quickly, or the losses due to IBOC rash and stagnant content of sampled HD quality may be irretrievable. AM has the time between now and when so little of hte audience is under 55 that they are not viable as a business. That means that it starts getting difficult in 5 to 7 years, and horrible in 10. If FM HD succeeds, then it would drage AM along. But the growth is in existing older formats on stations that were not doing well, like KLOK. Its a stop-gap until HD makes younger formats viable. Our main Miami AM station has an average age of 72! Hold on...let me sit down with THAT shocker. Look at WGN. Average age is 57 now. The heritage AMs are getting really old. Our WAQI is a heritage Cuban station. The listeners are the original imigrants who grew up in Cuba. Our WQ BA has an average age of 41, as we put a younger format on it. WAQI has nearly 3 times the numbers, but we feel HD will help WQBA as we will eventually have to transform WAQI. $149 car radio this week. 6 others, from the Tivoli on down were announced. Announced is one thing. Available is another. The car radios are shipping. One of our talents in Houston got one at an audio place... when we switched on HD2 on KLTN. And the announcements are for products a month and a half or more out. With IBOC rash trashing listening in my area for more than a year, now listeners--the ones in my neighborhood that I can directly observe the listening habits of--have moved to other outlets. Most of them iPod. With a few to satellite. The rest have moved to FM. If you listen to the racket from Wall Street, they feel satellite may never make it. Its window is closing, they signed all the disenfranchised and early adopters, and they feel the price / value equation does not work for the rest of America. A mere announcement now...well, if you wanted to turn over the entire audience in a short time, this would be the way to do it. Supposedly there will be about 10 choices on the shelves by labor day. Then, you're making my point for me. AM-HD is going to benefit only existing listeners. IN the meantime, trashing the band audibly as any potential listeners sample content only underscored that FM is a better option for them. Younger, or older. No, in our case, we are aiming at 35-44, and waiting for HD to start. None of the stations I have studied gets any real listening outside of its 5 mv/m signal area (and what there is is suspect... probably done in the car, etc) and most is inside the 10 mv/m. In LA, nearly all our listening is inside the 15 mv/m due to the high noise levels in this market. When I say that HD puts content off limits to potential listeners, I'm not referring to those listeners outside of a market. I'm talking about listeners inside the market who are not graced with a city grade signal. WLS, the classic example here, does not put 15mv/m into Lake County. But listenership is, or at least was, quite high in Lake County. But with IBOC rash now sizzling up and down the dial, WLS has been very difficult to capture cleanly. Or on some days, listen to at all. We're not talking about DXing...we're talking about local listening. That's been put off limits by IBOC rash, and yet, solutions have not been widely available. This is a typical problem. The CD started slow. The hardware was costly, so not many CDs put out. Slowly, the prices went down and the software increased. But no manufacturer is going to produce until most of America has HD stations. Doing nothing may not be an alternative, but it may be better than doing something that produces more immediate harm than potential long term good. All of us are gambling. But the fact that no major owner is selling AM shows a lot of faith in HD. There has to be a better way. But it would take FCC reversing themselves. And we all know how likely that would be. And that would take too long. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: The fact that you are on this group means you are not an average listener. I don't see my being above average as important to this discussion. The average listener does not spend any time thinking about radio. It is just "there." AMBCB has good fidelity and so does FM. AMBCB is not stereo but I don't care as I listen to talk radio and news on that band. I don't spend much time with FM. Generally I listen to AMBCB, short wave, and spend time on the Internet for news. I don't think it is the sound as much as FM is in stereo. FM stereo was permitted in 1960, and it took 3 years to get to 100 stations. It had zero audience impact then. What made FM work was when the FCC madated the end to simulcasting, and suddenly a thousand or so new formats came on all over America, most with no commercials... in an era when AM had 18 minutes an hour on nearly every station. There are a number of AM stations playing music but I don't listen to them. There are news stations like KNS besides the talkers. Those that play music play standards or ethnic fare for the majority of cases. 65+ audience. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Again with the problem of how AMBCB sounds. AMBCB sounds just fine. Even when music is available on FM, such as Mexico (loads of music stations still there) the younger audience does not listen. In fact, FM listening in Mexico is higher than that of the US! It is nearly all about quality of the sound, not the programming... because most Mexican cities have more viable AM signals than US cities do. Maybe it is just that FM is stereo. Most FM listening in the US is not stereo. |
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