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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

I'm on the road, thanks for asking. Lovely day in Cd. Juárez, Chih.

Oh, good. Bring me back some cheese, would you?

The goat cheese I had with breakfast was delicious.

I'm a big fan of Chihuahua cheese...I just don't know how they sit on
those little stools.

Fung Gu Tu wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Obsessed!

You sure are obsessed!

You going over his resume with a fine-toothed comb, you damn near
memorized his web site, debating the hyphen (or lack thereof) in a
certain model radio (a hyphen? Who's the pedant, chump?), even ferreting
out his mother's obituary fer crissake!

Worst case of obsession I've ever seen--and YOU are the one obsessed!!!

Thanks Edweenie! I appreciate it!

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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FM in mono sounds better, even on a clock radio.

It does not sound better to me. FM has a little more of a high end
response but that's about it. You sure as hell are not going to hear the
difference on a clock radio.

Like I said before AM sounds good. I don't see what the problem is with
the sound quality. The quality can go down when you go out of the area
but you won't consider that anyway because it is out of the market. I
find weak signal FM more annoying than weak signal AM. FM gets a pretty
loud background hiss on a weak signal when you turn up the volume.

Many efforts have been made, all across the US, to make AM attract younger
demos via formats designed for 35-44, etc. The only one that has worked
somewhat is sports, but all music attempts have failed miserably. The
reason: AM does not sound as good. Listeners tell us this.

Well I suggest that you find out what the 35-44 group wants to talk
about then.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion the 35-44 group is not
listening. I hear plenty of people calling in to talk shows that are in
that age group. Often they call from work during the day or home later
in the day.

Their is no sense in putting music on AM except for the nostalgia
stations like I used to list to as a kid WKBW 1520 in Buffalo.

I would listen to WKBW because they brought back some of the
personalities from the past and they were very entertaining (read
besides the music that was played) but it looks like they went to left
wing talk radio. Pretty ugly. This link should be instructive.

http://wkbwradio.com/wwkb.htm

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Telamon
Ventura, California

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

FM in mono sounds better, even on a clock radio.

It does not sound better to me. FM has a little more of a high end
response but that's about it. You sure as hell are not going to hear
the
difference on a clock radio.

Like I said before AM sounds good. I don't see what the problem is with
the sound quality. The quality can go down when you go out of the area
but you won't consider that anyway because it is out of the market. I
find weak signal FM more annoying than weak signal AM. FM gets a pretty
loud background hiss on a weak signal when you turn up the volume.

Many efforts have been made, all across the US, to make AM attract
younger
demos via formats designed for 35-44, etc. The only one that has worked
somewhat is sports, but all music attempts have failed miserably. The
reason: AM does not sound as good. Listeners tell us this.

Well I suggest that you find out what the 35-44 group wants to talk
about then.

We already know that. They just don't want to hear it on AM. This is why, as
I have posted several times, a growing group of major market AM news / talk
staitons have moved to FM or are simulcasting on FM... because they know the
AM delivery system is not acceptable to the 35-44 group.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion the 35-44 group is not
listening. I hear plenty of people calling in to talk shows that are in
that age group. Often they call from work during the day or home later
in the day.

Very, very few are listening. Keep in mind, talk shows screen calls and nuke
most of the Social Security age callers, and give preference to younger
sounding listeners. It only takes a few calls out of thousands to give this
impression. Most listeners are, however, over 45... 60% are over 55.

Their is no sense in putting music on AM except for the nostalgia
stations like I used to list to as a kid WKBW 1520 in Buffalo.

That does not work. Clear Channel tried "real oldies" going back to the 50's
on a group of fairly decent AMs, and so did Entercom. None worked.

Standards is pure 65+. None of these groups is salable to advertisers.

With improved quality vai HD, AM will have further opportunites to appeal to
35-44 with existing formats and may develop new or niche formats.

I would listen to WKBW because they brought back some of the
personalities from the past and they were very entertaining (read
besides the music that was played) but it looks like they went to left
wing talk radio. Pretty ugly. This link should be instructive.

They got no local ratings that they could sell. They changed to a format
that they could sell.

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"Telamon" wrote in
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The average listener does not spend any time thinking about
radio. It is just "there."

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I think plenty of people think about AM radio. What about all
the people that listen to talk radio? They don't think about it?
What about all the people that look to AM radio for news and
weather and traffic reports?

They think about the shows or the content, not about "radio" per
se.

Well what do most people think then, that the voices are in their
head? Of course they think about radio. They have to take the time
to tune the stations in and program their favorites to memory.

People do not spend any time thinking about how radio works, why one
band has some programs and why another has others, etc. They think
only as far as the on and off switch and the presets. It is an
appliance, free, and easy to change. Nobody, short of those on this
group and similar ones, spend any time considering how radio works.

In the case of AM, the only thing listeners under 45 think is that it
sounds bad. Period.

Where do you get this? How does AM sound worse to these people than FM?

This is why the programming of WTOP in DC moved to FM, that of WNLS
in Tallahassee moved to FM, of WTAR in Phoenix now going to simulcast
on FM, KSL in Salt Lake doing the same thing... etc. These stations
believe they have a viable format in, at least, 35-44, which they do
not get, but believe they can get with the better sound quality of
FM.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. People do think about
radio when looking for programming content and when they find what they
like program in the buttons on the radio so they can go right to it.
People will listen at certain times to be entertained such as during
car commutes because you can listen and drive at the same time.

I am not different than the majority of people in that I turn the radio
on to hear the programming. If I want to "think" about radio I read and
post to this news group.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

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In the case of AM, the only thing listeners under 45 think is that it
sounds bad. Period.

Where do you get this? How does AM sound worse to these people than FM?

I "get that" by talking to listeners in person, or by having my staff do
that. AM is irrelevant due to sound quality. Under a certain age, you could
be giving away money and they would not listen because it is AM.

This is why the programming of WTOP in DC moved to FM, that of WNLS
in Tallahassee moved to FM, of WTAR in Phoenix now going to simulcast
on FM, KSL in Salt Lake doing the same thing... etc. These stations
believe they have a viable format in, at least, 35-44, which they do
not get, but believe they can get with the better sound quality of
FM.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. People do think about
radio when looking for programming content and when they find what they
like program in the buttons on the radio so they can go right to it.

But they do not ask "why." They just select from a menu of free options.

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In Phoenix, Bonneville bought a top 10 CHR, and is going to simulcast
KTAR on it. In Salt Lake, they took a lower-performing FM and nuked the
programming to simulcast KSL. In both cases, the AM had no coverage or
interference issues.

In Washington, they moved WTOP, the frequent #1 station to FM, and did
niche formatting on the old AM channel which was the best Am signal in
DC.

Clear Channel took Tallahassee's best AM (1270) and moved news talk to an
FM that was lower in billings and put only sports on the AM, WNLS.

This sort of thing is starting to happen, with the intervals being less
and less between swaps.

Something like that here, would be interesting to watch, give that talk
on FM, when tried, was not successful.

I do not think that the idea that you can do talk for people who are not
into talk will ever work. Talk listeners, aside from morning shows or potty
talk, appeals to 35+ in any language. So the issue is to make the delivery
method and the format relevant to the 35-44 group that should listen to
talk, but does not because they grew up after AM was the music medium of
choice and do not like it.

Many comment that "AM sounds fine to me." We find that in talking to
listeners... the older the listener, the more tolerant of AM LoFi they tend
to be. This is because the band has no inherent stigma, and these listeners
grew up on the sound... as awful as it is.

Since stations on AM went to talk formats because they could not do music
one, we know music is the last thing that may come back to AM with HD. For a
start, talk shows will sound better to the 35-44 demo and help keep stations
with a good balance of 35-54 to counter the "old" perception by buyers.

Asking under-35's, in their majority, to listen to any kind of talk with
content is not going to work. I have done personality heavy stations that
played 4 or 5 songs an hour all day, but there was a music base and the talk
was not political... it was lifestyle. I think we will see some creative
attempts and a bunch of failures before we find out how to make AM become
relevant to younger demos. Personally, I think it is going to be fun. And in
the long run, it will benefit listeners.... look how the fear of death after
the TV freeze forced music radio to develop into a robust alternative.

Give it a rest already! I have good stereo equipment at home in my car
and appreciate high fidelity reproduction in music. AM sounds good
because it is good not because I'm old and tolerant.

What are you, dense? You think I would listen to AMBCB if it did not
sound good? Why do think I generally do not listen to Internet radio?
Well I'll tell you why it sucks with all the digital artifacts in the
low bit rate stream.

Good God, I'm the one here complaining about the sound of DRM and
Internet streaming and you think that I think AMBCB is OK because I'm
tolerant?

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Telamon
Ventura, California

Mr.Maus,,,,,,, I wont kiss up,but I reckon you are A OK.Can you whistle
the Big Noise from Winetka thingy? I remember some of the whistling
lyrics to it.Do you?
cuhulin

I have to watch/listen to The Andy Griffith Radio tv show on tv now.All
bets are off.
cuhulin

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Many comment that "AM sounds fine to me." We find that in talking
to listeners... the older the listener, the more tolerant of AM
LoFi they tend to be. This is because the band has no inherent
stigma, and these listeners grew up on the sound... as awful as it
is.

If it's that damn awful, **** for brains, then what the **** are
you doing HERE, boy.

I am telling what the future holds, whether it is your preferred
point of vie wor not.

If regular AM is that damn bad, then you must hate shortwave even
more.

I clearly stated I was relaying listener opoinions, not mine. I grew
up on both AM and DX and have no problems with fading and such.

I would imagine that many DXers have had this experience: you are in
your car and tuning the AM dial to see what unusual thing you can
get. The passenger or passengers quickly ask why you are listeing to
"that noise."

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They are objecting to the noise between stations. Turn down the volume
during station changing or use the memory buttons programed to local
stations. What a revelation this must be to you.

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Telamon
Ventura, California