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Steve wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

They got no local ratings that they could sell. They changed to a format
that they could sell.

They think liberal left wing radio is going to sell? Then they are wrong.

It is profitable where it is on a half decent signal, like Miami, San Diego,
Portland, etc.

And you are BUSTED everywhere.

He's been busted in Miami...
And down San Diego way...
He's been busted in Portland...
And in Ecuador they say...
Edweenie's been busted... Busted USA...

Apologies to whoever.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

I'm on the road, thanks for asking. Lovely day in Cd. Juárez, Chih.


Oh, good. Bring me back some cheese, would you?

The goat cheese I had with breakfast was delicious.

Was this before or after you were BUSTED?

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Many comment that "AM sounds fine to me." We find that in talking
to listeners... the older the listener, the more tolerant of AM
LoFi they tend to be. This is because the band has no inherent
stigma, and these listeners grew up on the sound... as awful as it
is.

If it's that damn awful, **** for brains, then what the **** are
you doing HERE, boy.

I am telling what the future holds, whether it is your preferred
point of vie wor not.

If regular AM is that damn bad, then you must hate shortwave even
more.

I clearly stated I was relaying listener opoinions, not mine. I grew
up on both AM and DX and have no problems with fading and such.

I would imagine that many DXers have had this experience: you are in
your car and tuning the AM dial to see what unusual thing you can
get. The passenger or passengers quickly ask why you are listeing to
"that noise."

Snip

They are objecting to the noise between stations. Turn down the volume
during station changing or use the memory buttons programed to local
stations. What a revelation this must be to you.

They are objecting to listening to a station that is not crystal clear, with
fading and static, not to the tuning in of that station.

During the daytime fading and static are not a problem. Static is not a
problem at night either but fading is a night time problem for 60 mile
plus stations from LA, San diego and further but no problem on the local
stations.

See you want your cake and you want to eat it too. Day or night is not a
problem on the locals, which according to you are the only ones to be
considered. The only problem is distant stations at night, which have
any fading associated with them and they don't count now do they.

So their is no problem with the stations that count for noise, fading or
sound quality.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article . com,
"Steve" wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Many comment that "AM sounds fine to me." We find that in talking
to listeners... the older the listener, the more tolerant of AM
LoFi they tend to be. This is because the band has no inherent
stigma, and these listeners grew up on the sound... as awful as it
is.

If it's that damn awful, **** for brains, then what the **** are
you doing HERE, boy.

I am telling what the future holds, whether it is your preferred
point of vie wor not.

If regular AM is that damn bad, then you must hate shortwave even
more.

I clearly stated I was relaying listener opoinions, not mine. I grew
up on both AM and DX and have no problems with fading and such.

I would imagine that many DXers have had this experience: you are in
your car and tuning the AM dial to see what unusual thing you can
get. The passenger or passengers quickly ask why you are listeing to
"that noise."

Snip

They are objecting to the noise between stations. Turn down the volume
during station changing or use the memory buttons programed to local
stations. What a revelation this must be to you.

They are objecting to listening to a station that is not crystal clear,
with
fading and static, not to the tuning in of that station.

And they're objecting to you because you're BUSTED.

David seems to have a lot of good information but his reasoning is poor
as posted on this news group.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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David Eduardo wrote:

It probably would. But, you are not getting the main issue: every 18 months,
the average age of AM listeners increases by a year. That means that in
another few years, most AM listeners will be over 55, and advertisers do not
buy over 55 listenership. The stations may be around, but they will be
losing money.

So, lobby Congress to set up a grant system so that local governments
can buy out the stations and set them up municipal information broadcasts
for homeland security and the like. Given what's on some of the stations
here, the local high school could do just as good a job programming them.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

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In article ,
David Eduardo wrote:

Many efforts have been made, all across the US, to make AM attract younger
demos via formats designed for 35-44, etc. The only one that has worked
somewhat is sports, but all music attempts have failed miserably. The
reason: AM does not sound as good. Listeners tell us this.

Well, the technical details of the stuff broadcast isn't that much
different. There's not going to be much content in the 9-15 kHz
frequencies in (what an old recording engineer who used to work at
A&M called) "that pop crap". He said that if they had problems cutting
a master disk, they just whacked off the high end until the cutter head
amps were happy, and none of the producers seemed to notice.

So it must be the current set of really crappy AM radios. Or the
processing that the stations (over)do.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

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"Mike" wrote in message
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Telamon wrote:

You can always stack the deck of possibilities in favor of an argument.

I thought I was just stating my opinion, along with the facts of the
climate where I live. No "deck stacking" here.

Lightning is not a problem for me because it does not happen very often
in southern California but I could see that being a problem in other
parts of the country. I expect that if the lightning storm was a
energetic one FM would also be affected.

Perhaps, but I'll take FM in a storm over AM any day.

FM does better in a office building because it is broadcast on a 100
times shorter wavelength that can penetrate the non-conductive openings
to where you are located inside the building.

Yes, I understand all of that.

Digital mode AM is not going to make a difference on a office building
penetration over analog.

Yes, I understand that also. That's why I'd rather see it move to FM
than to "digital AM".

FWIW, if radio stations really *are* serious about this "digital AM"
stuff, then they need some clever marketing to make it work. Call it
"ZM" or something - make people think it's something brand new.
"Digital AM" isn't going to cut it because it's stuck with the "AM" name.

It is being marketed as HD Radio, irrespective of the band.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message
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In article
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Telamon wrote:

You can always stack the deck of possibilities in favor of an argument.

I thought I was just stating my opinion, along with the facts of the
climate where I live. No "deck stacking" here.

Lightning is not a problem for me because it does not happen very often
in southern California but I could see that being a problem in other
parts of the country. I expect that if the lightning storm was a
energetic one FM would also be affected.

Perhaps, but I'll take FM in a storm over AM any day.

FM does better in a office building because it is broadcast on a 100
times shorter wavelength that can penetrate the non-conductive openings
to where you are located inside the building.

Yes, I understand all of that.

Digital mode AM is not going to make a difference on a office building
penetration over analog.

Yes, I understand that also. That's why I'd rather see it move to FM
than to "digital AM".

FWIW, if radio stations really *are* serious about this "digital AM"
stuff, then they need some clever marketing to make it work. Call it
"ZM" or something - make people think it's something brand new.
"Digital AM" isn't going to cut it because it's stuck with the "AM" name.

It is being marketed as HD Radio, irrespective of the band.

And you are BUSTED, regardless of your aliases.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

Re-read, please. I said, "You are tuning the AM dial to see what
unusual thing you can get."

In other words, you find some distant station, like listening to KOA
in LA... a reasonable clear signal for a DXer, but horrible for a
non-DXer due to fading, static bursts, buzz every time you go under
power lines, etc.

Now wait a minute. Here I am doing my best for discussion purposes
buying into part of your theories on what is important in AMBCB and you
try to slog the discussion back to DXing. I'm not buying into debate
tactics.

In this case, I am discussing what is acceptable reception to some is not to
others. Those used to "the old days" of listening to out of market AMs at
night have a tolerance. the younger generations do not.

You made an real world listening situation comment and I, using your
own reasoning, dismissed it based on your own market rationalizations
on what stations I should be listening too. Using your reasoning the
local stations have strong signals that sounds good on the average
car radio and not sound noisy. The other people in the car would not
object to listening to local stations.

I was only saying that tuning to an "outside station" is acceptable to
traditional AM users. To all others, it is not.

I don't DX AM radio stations in the car. I listen to distant stations,
when they sound good, for the program material. I'm a program listener
not a DXer.

If it is way out of market and on skywave, I would argue that it is DX.
Distance = DX.

It makes no difference when listening to FM analog, FM digital, AM
analog, or AM digital if the signal is poor for any reason the average
person is not going to listen to it. Going digital or using a different
band are engineering exercises at solving different issues other than
just reception. Arguments to the contrary are nonsensical.

We may be saying the same thing. I agree here, entirely.

The changes to HD are not intended to improve reception. They are intended
to improve the perception of quality.

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David Frackelton Gleason, posing somewhere as 'Eduardo', fake Hispanic and paid
shill for Univision Radio/iBiquity wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message
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In article
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Telamon wrote:

You can always stack the deck of possibilities in favor of an argument.

I thought I was just stating my opinion, along with the facts of the
climate where I live. No "deck stacking" here.

Lightning is not a problem for me because it does not happen very often
in southern California but I could see that being a problem in other
parts of the country. I expect that if the lightning storm was a
energetic one FM would also be affected.

Perhaps, but I'll take FM in a storm over AM any day.

FM does better in a office building because it is broadcast on a 100
times shorter wavelength that can penetrate the non-conductive openings
to where you are located inside the building.

Yes, I understand all of that.

Digital mode AM is not going to make a difference on a office building
penetration over analog.

Yes, I understand that also. That's why I'd rather see it move to FM
than to "digital AM".

FWIW, if radio stations really *are* serious about this "digital AM"
stuff, then they need some clever marketing to make it work. Call it
"ZM" or something - make people think it's something brand new.
"Digital AM" isn't going to cut it because it's stuck with the "AM" name.

It is being marketed as HD Radio, irrespective of the band.

Shilled, Edweenie?

dxAce
Michigan
USA