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"norml" wrote in message ... David, Although I have my own problems with the closed little marketing bubble of which you seem to be an avatar, I have admired the way you have refused to rise to the bilious persoanal attacks to which you have been subjected in this and other fora. Hey, just like Arbitrlon, one can be a prophet for the concept yet a critic of the implementation. I am currently working on awareness of the need to hurry the Intel-iBiquity alliance's development of a chip that will allow efficient portables.... my gripe about HD. You have always seemed to be a guy with whom I might wish to have lunch, should you be in the Bay Area. Don't let dxie get to you now. He is a fun troll. I was in the debate club in JHS, so it is nice to have such a ready foil. Norm I get to San Jose about 10 times a year... so maybe we can get a bite or coffee. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: If it's put into the hands of scum like you, it will die immediately. Jerk I have built, managed and programmed AMs for the last 42 years. The decline is technology based, and can be corrected... with technology. That's like "correcting" someone's crooked teeth by blowing their head off. You're a liar, a fool, a troll and a one of the few men I've ever known who is accurate described by the term "bitch". Go ahead troll, troll your little heart out. Well, over $300,000,000 has already been spent on HD installs. There is no lie in stating that HD is happening, and there is a major commitment by every large broadcaster except Salem to the technology. There is also great concern about preventing the loss of AM, and HD is being emplyed as the ONLY solution. If you think this is exaggeration, trolling, a lie or whatever, you are simply trying to cover the sky with you hand. You mean you're trying to pull the wool over our eyes, don't you? You are a liar and a shill. Like I said, thinking you can 'save' AM with HD is like thinking you can "correct" a toothache by blowing the person's head off. Any one who denies this is simply afraid to face stark realities. The problem with AM, in everybody's proprietary research, is that the sound is such a barrier that nobody in the most recent two generations will listen to it. Until the sound is "fixed" there is no way to prevent the decline, ageing and eventual obsolescence of AM. Already, 75% of the band's listeners are over the age that advertisers are interested in. In LA, which is actually a heavier user of AM than many markets, less than 10% of the 12-24 listening is to AM. In 12-34, it is 6%, with 6 different FMs each having more 12-34 listening than the entire AM band in that age group. You didn't know that, did you! It's gradual decline would be far preferable to the fate you would hand it. Jerk. |
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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', prancing programmer and fake DXer wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David 'Prancer' Eduardo, poster boy for those kicked out of Ecuador wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Jerk I have built, managed and programmed AMs for the last 42 years. The decline is technology based, and can be corrected... with technology. Nothing wrong with the technology, 'tard boy. AM (MW) comes in just fine here. And it comes in even better without the HD/IBOC QRM. There is everything wrong with the technology. It sounds so inferior that nobody who "grew up" on FM will touch it, as it is irritating. Two generations now have no use for AM. The only users, like you, are old farts who do not look at the future or have lost most of their hearing. Hey, old fart! My hearing is just fine, been tested. It's great! I always wore earplugs. That must have made the DXing difficult. Unless you made it up. Another paper DXer. Are you related to Monferini? Nope, and I'm not a prancing fake Hispanic! |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: If it's put into the hands of scum like you, it will die immediately. Jerk I have built, managed and programmed AMs for the last 42 years. The decline is technology based, and can be corrected... with technology. That's like "correcting" someone's crooked teeth by blowing their head off. You're a liar, a fool, a troll and a one of the few men I've ever known who is accurate described by the term "bitch". Go ahead troll, troll your little heart out. Well, over $300,000,000 has already been spent on HD installs. There is no lie in stating that HD is happening, and there is a major commitment by every large broadcaster except Salem to the technology. There is also great concern about preventing the loss of AM, and HD is being emplyed as the ONLY solution. If you think this is exaggeration, trolling, a lie or whatever, you are simply trying to cover the sky with you hand. And you're trying to cover the band with QRM, prancer! |
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David Eduardo wrote: The problem with AM, in everybody's proprietary research, is that the sound is such a barrier that nobody in the most recent two generations will listen to it. Until the sound is "fixed" there is no way to prevent the decline, ageing and eventual obsolescence of AM. Already, 75% of the band's listeners are over the age that advertisers are interested in. Yo yo yo... ever hear of C-QUAM??? It produces a hi fidelity analog signal, IN ****ING STEREO, without subjecting the entire band to the interference that IBOC does. And I've heard C-Quam STEREO signals from hundreds of miles away via skywave at night. But, lo and behold, my firends who have been ripped off by buying HD radios, can't seem to get their digital carriers from across town...works welll... and the buzzsaw on the main and adjacent channels, I just love it. ....and IBOC at night???? Please don't make me punch your retarded ****ing LED's out. IBOC on AM is a JOKE... hahaha... J O K E joke.... turn the C-Quam back on, send iNiquity their splatterbox back and go the **** away. |
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"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: In LA, which is actually a heavier user of AM than many markets, less than 10% of the 12-24 listening is to AM. In 12-34, it is 6%, with 6 different FMs each having more 12-34 listening than the entire AM band in that age group. You didn't know that, did you! It's gradual decline would be far preferable to the fate you would hand it. Jerk. Gradual? Having less audience for the whole band than any of 6 FM stations is not slow death... it is death already in the younger demos, where the ad money is. In a few years, the 35-44 will be gone entirely, and the 45-54 will shrink. At that point, there is no ad revenue. Not one national buy in LA this year has been for 55+. The sad thing is that we waited, as an industry, till now. |
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wrote in message oups.com... I don't know whether you're retarded or a Univision employee (or both), but this guy is a complete piece of ****. He comes to this group spouting all kinds of bull**** that is hostile to the interests of the people here, whines like a baby when he catches hell and says the same thing over and over and over....all to elicit a reaction of outrage and indignation on the part of the posters here. He is good at trolling. I'll give him that. But he's a piece of ****. No one denies that AM is dying, but in that case let it die with dignity instead of ****ing on it when it's down. AM is not a person. There is no dignity in its death, but there is the loss off tens of thousands of jobs, and the losses to maybe hundreds of thousands of mutual fund shareholders, insurance companies and pension plans. Further, whether you agree with me or not, HD is coming and it is time to discuss whether any of the remaining receiver manufacturers, like ICOM, will produce receivers or receiver modules for HD. This is going to be the new reality, and countries like Mexico and Colombia and Brazil in this Hemisphere are already reviewing or have adopted the standard. Rede Globo in Brazil has ordered $2 million in HD devices, for example, and plans to convert all its AMs in the next several years. |
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wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: The problem with AM, in everybody's proprietary research, is that the sound is such a barrier that nobody in the most recent two generations will listen to it. Until the sound is "fixed" there is no way to prevent the decline, ageing and eventual obsolescence of AM. Already, 75% of the band's listeners are over the age that advertisers are interested in. Yo yo yo... ever hear of C-QUAM??? It produces a hi fidelity analog signal, IN ****ING STEREO, without subjecting the entire band to the interference that IBOC does. It was tried and failed, because there were legal delays that caused it to be introduced after FM had already taking th edominant position in music radio. Nobody cared, starting with most radio stations. The only way to bring a quality improvement to AM is by riding on the same system that FM uses to go digital. By the way, it is not about stereo. It is about being digital. And I've heard C-Quam STEREO signals from hundreds of miles away via skywave at night. But, lo and behold, my firends who have been ripped off by buying HD radios, can't seem to get their digital carriers from across town...works welll... and the buzzsaw on the main and adjacent channels, I just love it. The stations love it. It enhances the coverage of analog AMs where it matters, in the local market. CQuam is dead. It was dead in 1985. Move on. |
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David Eduardo wrote: wrote in message oups.com... I don't know whether you're retarded or a Univision employee (or both), but this guy is a complete piece of ****. He comes to this group spouting all kinds of bull**** that is hostile to the interests of the people here, whines like a baby when he catches hell and says the same thing over and over and over....all to elicit a reaction of outrage and indignation on the part of the posters here. He is good at trolling. I'll give him that. But he's a piece of ****. No one denies that AM is dying, but in that case let it die with dignity instead of ****ing on it when it's down. AM is not a person. There is no dignity in its death, but there is the loss off tens of thousands of jobs, and the losses to maybe hundreds of thousands of mutual fund shareholders, insurance companies and pension plans. Further, whether you agree with me or not, HD is coming and it is time to discuss whether any of the remaining receiver manufacturers, like ICOM, will produce receivers or receiver modules for HD. This is going to be the new reality, and countries like Mexico and Colombia and Brazil in this Hemisphere are already reviewing or have adopted the standard. Rede Globo in Brazil has ordered $2 million in HD devices, for example, and plans to convert all its AMs in the next several years. Screw you, pig. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: In LA, which is actually a heavier user of AM than many markets, less than 10% of the 12-24 listening is to AM. In 12-34, it is 6%, with 6 different FMs each having more 12-34 listening than the entire AM band in that age group. You didn't know that, did you! It's gradual decline would be far preferable to the fate you would hand it. Jerk. Gradual? Having less audience for the whole band than any of 6 FM stations is not slow death... it is death already in the younger demos, where the ad money is. In a few years, the 35-44 will be gone entirely, and the 45-54 will shrink. At that point, there is no ad revenue. Not one national buy in LA this year has been for 55+. The sad thing is that we waited, as an industry, till now. It's rapid decline would be far preferable to the fate you would hand it. Jerk. |
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wrote in message And I've heard C-Quam STEREO signals from hundreds of miles away via skywave at night. But, lo and behold, my firends who have been ripped off by buying HD radios, can't seem to get their digital carriers from across town...works welll... and the buzzsaw on the main and adjacent channels, I just love it. The stations love it. It enhances the coverage of analog AMs where it matters, in the local market. CQuam is dead. It was dead in 1985. Move on. CQuam is dead for reasons other than industrial delays in implementation. Although, in my never to be humble opinion, it's a better solution, you hit the nail he it is not about stereo. It is about being digital. FCC will not approve any new modulation technology that isn't digital. This despite earlier mandates that X-band allocations must be C-Quam equipped. Now, that mandate is dead in favor of the Powell FCC's digital mandate. And while it may be here, and it may be inevitable, now, the implementation has been poorly orchestrated, and with IBOC rash trashing the bands before receivers have been widely available, short sighted in the extreme. What's been done, sadly, is far more deleterious to AM usage than doing nothing. Because it's not only DXers who are affected, here. It's users in local coverage areas, who are now dealing with noises that they never had to before, in areas which, like where I live, are protected as local coverage but protected local stations are hit with IBOC interference. And if noise is one of the primary objections to AM usage, any system that introduces noise to the bands, even if that noise is gone in the digital mode, will only add to the objections of users who have marginal interst in AM anyway. Especially when the hardware to enjoy the new mode is both widely unavailable, and costly. Even if it's coming. The negative impression made by IBOC rash today, will plant seeds of undesirability that will persist. And you'll not get a fair trial when the new hardware is widely available. What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. The only potential uptick I see is in those auto systems where HD is included as a standard feature. Sampling of HD, at that point, would be a natural extension of radio sampling in general...playing with a new radio in a new car is fairly commonplace. See what it sounds like, on both bands...even if only to set the presets...there's still sampling going on. In that context, HD may get a fair hearing, and perhaps some encouraging acceptance. So, as with most radio techological innovations, it's going to have to be in the cars in order to expose that captive audience to a fair hearing of HD-AM for an interest to be generated. (This, despite the fact that a majority of listening is not in cars.) But for those listeners who would have to actively pursue an HD experience without current regular AM usage...I'm not seeing it. So far, you've been talking about how the stations love HD-AM. You and I know that the success of any radio station is found in listener centric product and behaviour. The point that radio stations love HD-AM is unimportant. It's the listener's embrace that matters. And outside of controlled demostrations, there is nothing to suggest that there is more interest in HD-AM than in C-Quam. And the jury will be out for some time to come. |
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David Eduardo wrote: wrote in message oups.com... I don't know whether you're retarded or a Univision employee (or both), but this guy is a complete piece of ****. He comes to this group spouting all kinds of bull**** that is hostile to the interests of the people here, whines like a baby when he catches hell and says the same thing over and over and over....all to elicit a reaction of outrage and indignation on the part of the posters here. He is good at trolling. I'll give him that. But he's a piece of ****. No one denies that AM is dying, but in that case let it die with dignity instead of ****ing on it when it's down. AM is not a person. There is no dignity in its death, but there is the loss off tens of thousands of jobs, and the losses to maybe hundreds of thousands of mutual fund shareholders, insurance companies and pension plans. Further, whether you agree with me or not, HD is coming and it is time to discuss whether any of the remaining receiver manufacturers, like ICOM, will produce receivers or receiver modules for HD. This is going to be the new reality, and countries like Mexico and Colombia and Brazil in this Hemisphere are already reviewing or have adopted the standard. Rede Globo in Brazil has ordered $2 million in HD devices, for example, and plans to convert all its AMs in the next several years. You should really be ashamed of yourself. It's one thing troll a newsgroup. It's not a nice thing, but it's forgiveable. But to mount a moral high horse and lament the loss of jobs and pension funds that you are personally, and intentionally, destroying is beyond rude. It is extremely distasteful, and sad. You obviously get some sort of 'kick' out of visiting this group, saying bizarre things, deriding the interests of others and just generally ****ting where other people live. Do you ever wonder why? Why do you derive more satisfaction out of putting other people down than from pursing interests of your own? Might be worth a moment's reflection. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: If it's put into the hands of scum like you, it will die immediately. Jerk I have built, managed and programmed AMs for the last 42 years. The decline is technology based, and can be corrected... with technology. That's like "correcting" someone's crooked teeth by blowing their head off. You're a liar, a fool, a troll and a one of the few men I've ever known who is accurate described by the term "bitch". Go ahead troll, troll your little heart out. Well, over $300,000,000 has already been spent on HD installs. There is no lie in stating that HD is happening, and there is a major commitment by every large broadcaster except Salem to the technology. There is also great concern about preventing the loss of AM, and HD is being emplyed as the ONLY solution. If you think this is exaggeration, trolling, a lie or whatever, you are simply trying to cover the sky with you hand. You mean you're trying to pull the wool over our eyes, don't you? You are a liar and a shill. Like I said, thinking you can 'save' AM with HD is like thinking you can "correct" a toothache by blowing the person's head off. Any one who denies this is simply afraid to face stark realities. The problem with AM, in everybody's proprietary research, is that the sound is such a barrier that nobody in the most recent two generations will listen to it. Until the sound is "fixed" there is no way to prevent the decline, ageing and eventual obsolescence of AM. Already, 75% of the band's listeners are over the age that advertisers are interested in. In LA, which is actually a heavier user of AM than many markets, less than 10% of the 12-24 listening is to AM. In 12-34, it is 6%, with 6 different FMs each having more 12-34 listening than the entire AM band in that age group. You didn't know that, did you! Again with the problem of how AMBCB sounds. AMBCB sounds just fine. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band dies. The only potential uptick I see is in those auto systems where HD is included as a standard feature. Sampling of HD, at that point, would be a natural extension of radio sampling in general...playing with a new radio in a new car is fairly commonplace. See what it sounds like, on both bands...even if only to set the presets...there's still sampling going on. In that context, HD may get a fair hearing, and perhaps some encouraging acceptance. That is exactly what will be the make-or-break as to AM. FM is healthy. It will become healthier with HD 2 channels. It can potentially drage AM back into the game. This is why none of the big operators has sold a viable AM in years... all believe the value will be enhanced by HD. That is a many-billion-dollar gamble. So, as with most radio techological innovations, it's going to have to be in the cars in order to expose that captive audience to a fair hearing of HD-AM for an interest to be generated. (This, despite the fact that a majority of listening is not in cars.) But for those listeners who would have to actively pursue an HD experience without current regular AM usage...I'm not seeing it. Cars are where Americans are forced to get a new radio. Obviously, there is a trickle down aspect, as not everyone buys new cars (ever) and not everyone buys a new car every year or two. But this is the opportunity for AM. It is not an overnighter, but the band is fading, not exploding. So far, you've been talking about how the stations love HD-AM. You and I know that the success of any radio station is found in listener centric product and behaviour. The point that radio stations love HD-AM is unimportant. It's the listener's embrace that matters. And outside of controlled demostrations, there is nothing to suggest that there is more interest in HD-AM than in C-Quam. And the jury will be out for some time to come. We are years away from being able to evaluate listener response, which will be based on product demand. But the few reports that have started coming in are favorable. On the FM side, we put a Tejano format on last week ont he KLTN HD2 channel, and we have registered several hundred calls (the format is on a marginal AM as well) asking about how to buy radios and all were very excited. This, perhaps and even hopefully will rub off on AM. |
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wrote in message ups.com... David Eduardo wrote: wrote in message You should really be ashamed of yourself. It's one thing troll a newsgroup. It's not a nice thing, but it's forgiveable. But to mount a moral high horse and lament the loss of jobs and pension funds that you are personally, and intentionally, destroying is beyond rude. Huh? We are trying to preserve the value of tens of billions of dollars worth of AM stations by keeping them viable for longer. It is extremely distasteful, and sad. You obviously get some sort of 'kick' out of visiting this group, saying bizarre things, deriding the interests of others and just generally ****ting where other people live. The facts are that 1) I did not invent HD, 2) I had nothing to do with its FCC approval and, 3) never thought it was the best system. However, it is _the_ system and only system because AM does not have the time for a different one and because any system that is not on the same chip as the FM digital system will fail automatically. This is how AM radio in the Western Hemisphere and, probably, Asia is going to be. If you think reality is in disagreement with your interests, don't blame me. Go see a psychiatrist. Do you ever wonder why? Why do you derive more satisfaction out of putting other people down than from pursing interests of your own? Might be worth a moment's reflection. Putting down? Do you have any inkling of how fast AM is losing its economic viability in the USA? Most of the listeners are over 55, a group no large advertiser buys, and the younger demos are shrinking each year as the average age of AM listeners goes up. HD is as good as we are going to get to have a second chance on keeping AM viable. And did I forget to mention... in the Spanish / Portuguese equivalent of Radio World, several of the Brazilian operators were quoted as considering HD for domestic Short Wave. You might want me to blame me for that, too. |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... There ya go. A REAL compatible system, and it doesn't annihilate the adjacents, either. It's also just as likely to save AM as IBOC (moreso, imho), and there are already tens of thousands of radios already out there to receive it. In one word, this will not work: DIGITAL C-Quam was tried and failed in the mid 80's. Any system that does not come on the same chip as the FM digital system will also fail. Any system that is not digital will fail at the marketing stage. Oh, and David Eduardo... this should have some meaning to you.... En boca cerrada no entran moscas.. Irrelevant in this case. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Jerk I have built, managed and programmed AMs for the last 42 years. The decline is technology based, and can be corrected... with technology. Nothing wrong with the technology, 'tard boy. AM (MW) comes in just fine here. And it comes in even better without the HD/IBOC QRM. There is everything wrong with the technology. It sounds so inferior that nobody who "grew up" on FM will touch it, as it is irritating. Two generations now have no use for AM. The only users, like you, are old farts who do not look at the future or have lost most of their hearing. I don't know where you are coming from on this. I grew up listening to FM and AM and I think AMBCB sounds just fine. The fact that you are on this group means you are not an average listener. I have posted data from a variety of US markets, as well as national averages. Again: in 12-34 year old listeners, in LA, the total share for AM is less than the indvidual station shares for the 6 highest rated FMs. 6%. Nearly nobody. AM may sound good to you, but to nearly everyone under 45, it is presently irrelevant and sucks. AMBCB has good fidelity and so does FM. AMBCB is not stereo but I don't care as I listen to talk radio and news on that band. I don't spend much time with FM. Generally I listen to AMBCB, short wave, and spend time on the Internet for news. The problem is just that. Only talk shows and such get on AM, because anything else that requires fidelty will not work. Talk appeals to a very old audience, and in many cases, it is getting harder and harder to sell. This is what is bothering me about the move to HD. The move is supposed to be an improvement but it does not seem that way to me. The move to HD is just going to cost me money, not make an improvement, and change my listening in ways I don't want. It's a lousy deal for me to spend money I don't need to spend to keep getting what I already have. Same problem for DRM on short wave. DRM is an effort to make SW relevant, just as HD is for MW, to newer generations that are looking for digital quality (in developed nations) and at least FM quality in others. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Again with the problem of how AMBCB sounds. AMBCB sounds just fine. Even when music is available on FM, such as Mexico (loads of music stations still there) the younger audience does not listen. In fact, FM listening in Mexico is higher than that of the US! It is nearly all about quality of the sound, not the programming... because most Mexican cities have more viable AM signals than US cities do. |
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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' and whoring for Univision Radio/iBiquity wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Jerk I have built, managed and programmed AMs for the last 42 years. The decline is technology based, and can be corrected... with technology. Nothing wrong with the technology, 'tard boy. AM (MW) comes in just fine here. And it comes in even better without the HD/IBOC QRM. There is everything wrong with the technology. It sounds so inferior that nobody who "grew up" on FM will touch it, as it is irritating. Two generations now have no use for AM. The only users, like you, are old farts who do not look at the future or have lost most of their hearing. I don't know where you are coming from on this. I grew up listening to FM and AM and I think AMBCB sounds just fine. The fact that you are on this group means you are not an average listener. I have posted data from a variety of US markets, as well as national averages. Again: in 12-34 year old listeners, in LA, the total share for AM is less than the indvidual station shares for the 6 highest rated FMs. 6%. Nearly nobody. AM may sound good to you, but to nearly everyone under 45, it is presently irrelevant and sucks. AMBCB has good fidelity and so does FM. AMBCB is not stereo but I don't care as I listen to talk radio and news on that band. I don't spend much time with FM. Generally I listen to AMBCB, short wave, and spend time on the Internet for news. The problem is just that. Only talk shows and such get on AM, because anything else that requires fidelty will not work. Talk appeals to a very old audience, and in many cases, it is getting harder and harder to sell. This is what is bothering me about the move to HD. The move is supposed to be an improvement but it does not seem that way to me. The move to HD is just going to cost me money, not make an improvement, and change my listening in ways I don't want. It's a lousy deal for me to spend money I don't need to spend to keep getting what I already have. Same problem for DRM on short wave. DRM is an effort to make SW relevant, just as HD is for MW, to newer generations that are looking for digital quality (in developed nations) and at least FM quality in others. Hey, Edweenie, stuff your panty hose in it, boy. |
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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' and shamelessly whoring for Univision Radio/iBiquity wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Jerk I have built, managed and programmed AMs for the last 42 years. The decline is technology based, and can be corrected... with technology. Nothing wrong with the technology, 'tard boy. AM (MW) comes in just fine here. And it comes in even better without the HD/IBOC QRM. There is everything wrong with the technology. It sounds so inferior that nobody who "grew up" on FM will touch it, as it is irritating. Two generations now have no use for AM. The only users, like you, are old farts who do not look at the future or have lost most of their hearing. I don't know where you are coming from on this. I grew up listening to FM and AM and I think AMBCB sounds just fine. The fact that you are on this group means you are not an average listener. The fact that YOU are on this group means YOU got lost somewhere along the way, prancing boy. Find your way back. dxAce Michigan USA |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band dies. Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't news. But the fact remains. That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen outside of the city grade contour. The only potential uptick I see is in those auto systems where HD is included as a standard feature. Sampling of HD, at that point, would be a natural extension of radio sampling in general...playing with a new radio in a new car is fairly commonplace. See what it sounds like, on both bands...even if only to set the presets...there's still sampling going on. In that context, HD may get a fair hearing, and perhaps some encouraging acceptance. That is exactly what will be the make-or-break as to AM. FM is healthy. It will become healthier with HD 2 channels. It can potentially drage AM back into the game. This is why none of the big operators has sold a viable AM in years... all believe the value will be enhanced by HD. That is a many-billion-dollar gamble. That's exactly my point...it's a gamble. A crap shoot. Targeting the superficiality and subjective perception of audio quality. While the real attraction to listening is content. You've noted growth at your AM's on the West Coast. Those are due to content, not audio quality. And your growth has exceeded expectations. Whether HD has been implemented or not, HD's 'improved' audio quality is not a factor, since receiving hardware is both expensive and not widely available. In fact, your share increase would exceed the number of HD radios sold in those markets were explosive growth has taken place. IF HD audio is not a factor, it's the content that's attracting listeners. In under 45 demo's at that. However, HD is putting that content off limits to potential listeners, by trashing the bands in weak signal areas with other station's HD rash. If noise and audio quality are, indeed, factors keeping AM from stable growth, or at least stable levels of listenership, increasing noise found in HD sidebands is not going to be a viable solution. So, as with most radio techological innovations, it's going to have to be in the cars in order to expose that captive audience to a fair hearing of HD-AM for an interest to be generated. (This, despite the fact that a majority of listening is not in cars.) But for those listeners who would have to actively pursue an HD experience without current regular AM usage...I'm not seeing it. Cars are where Americans are forced to get a new radio. Obviously, there is a trickle down aspect, as not everyone buys new cars (ever) and not everyone buys a new car every year or two. But this is the opportunity for AM. It is not an overnighter, but the band is fading, not exploding. So far, you've been talking about how the stations love HD-AM. You and I know that the success of any radio station is found in listener centric product and behaviour. The point that radio stations love HD-AM is unimportant. It's the listener's embrace that matters. And outside of controlled demostrations, there is nothing to suggest that there is more interest in HD-AM than in C-Quam. And the jury will be out for some time to come. We are years away from being able to evaluate listener response, which will be based on product demand. But the few reports that have started coming in are favorable. On the FM side, we put a Tejano format on last week ont he KLTN HD2 channel, and we have registered several hundred calls (the format is on a marginal AM as well) asking about how to buy radios and all were very excited. This, perhaps and even hopefully will rub off on AM. Then, again, if audio quality is really an issue, that same Tejano format on HD2, since HD radios must resolve both AM and FM HD, will present an attraction of listeners away from the AM station, even if listening is done in AM HD. So, the net advantage to AM, here is zero where the same content is available on FM, analog or digital. As you said, that makes AM HD an enormous gamble. And an expensive buy-in to the game. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band dies. The only potential uptick I see is in those auto systems where HD is included as a standard feature. Sampling of HD, at that point, would be a natural extension of radio sampling in general...playing with a new radio in a new car is fairly commonplace. See what it sounds like, on both bands...even if only to set the presets...there's still sampling going on. In that context, HD may get a fair hearing, and perhaps some encouraging acceptance. That is exactly what will be the make-or-break as to AM. FM is healthy. It will become healthier with HD 2 channels. It can potentially drage AM back into the game. This is why none of the big operators has sold a viable AM in years... all believe the value will be enhanced by HD. That is a many-billion-dollar gamble. So, as with most radio techological innovations, it's going to have to be in the cars in order to expose that captive audience to a fair hearing of HD-AM for an interest to be generated. (This, despite the fact that a majority of listening is not in cars.) But for those listeners who would have to actively pursue an HD experience without current regular AM usage...I'm not seeing it. Cars are where Americans are forced to get a new radio. Obviously, there is a trickle down aspect, as not everyone buys new cars (ever) and not everyone buys a new car every year or two. But this is the opportunity for AM. It is not an overnighter, but the band is fading, not exploding. So far, you've been talking about how the stations love HD-AM. You and I know that the success of any radio station is found in listener centric product and behaviour. The point that radio stations love HD-AM is unimportant. It's the listener's embrace that matters. And outside of controlled demostrations, there is nothing to suggest that there is more interest in HD-AM than in C-Quam. And the jury will be out for some time to come. We are years away from being able to evaluate listener response, which will be based on product demand. But the few reports that have started coming in are favorable. On the FM side, we put a Tejano format on last week ont he KLTN HD2 channel, and we have registered several hundred calls (the format is on a marginal AM as well) asking about how to buy radios and all were very excited. This, perhaps and even hopefully will rub off on AM. Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Again with the problem of how AMBCB sounds. AMBCB sounds just fine. Even when music is available on FM, such as Mexico (loads of music stations still there) the younger audience does not listen. In fact, FM listening in Mexico is higher than that of the US! It is nearly all about quality of the sound, not the programming... because most Mexican cities have more viable AM signals than US cities do. Yes, but why do you keep ducking the issue about your name? |
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D Peter Maus wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band dies. Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't news. But the fact remains. That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen outside of the city grade contour. I don't listen very much to WBBM, but on the occasions that I do, you are correct in that I have noted no change in their content. What I do notice without fail is that when they have their HD/IBOC up and running is the total annihilation of at least two adjacent channels. Such a wonderful system, it seems to me, will only force more listeners away from the MW bands. The potential to drive those of us who tune around at night (or currently during the daytime) looking for alternative voices from outside our 'local' market or 'area' off the band for good does not seem to be a productive use of this resource. dxAce Michigan USA |
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Steve wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band dies. The only potential uptick I see is in those auto systems where HD is included as a standard feature. Sampling of HD, at that point, would be a natural extension of radio sampling in general...playing with a new radio in a new car is fairly commonplace. See what it sounds like, on both bands...even if only to set the presets...there's still sampling going on. In that context, HD may get a fair hearing, and perhaps some encouraging acceptance. That is exactly what will be the make-or-break as to AM. FM is healthy. It will become healthier with HD 2 channels. It can potentially drage AM back into the game. This is why none of the big operators has sold a viable AM in years... all believe the value will be enhanced by HD. That is a many-billion-dollar gamble. So, as with most radio techological innovations, it's going to have to be in the cars in order to expose that captive audience to a fair hearing of HD-AM for an interest to be generated. (This, despite the fact that a majority of listening is not in cars.) But for those listeners who would have to actively pursue an HD experience without current regular AM usage...I'm not seeing it. Cars are where Americans are forced to get a new radio. Obviously, there is a trickle down aspect, as not everyone buys new cars (ever) and not everyone buys a new car every year or two. But this is the opportunity for AM. It is not an overnighter, but the band is fading, not exploding. So far, you've been talking about how the stations love HD-AM. You and I know that the success of any radio station is found in listener centric product and behaviour. The point that radio stations love HD-AM is unimportant. It's the listener's embrace that matters. And outside of controlled demostrations, there is nothing to suggest that there is more interest in HD-AM than in C-Quam. And the jury will be out for some time to come. We are years away from being able to evaluate listener response, which will be based on product demand. But the few reports that have started coming in are favorable. On the FM side, we put a Tejano format on last week ont he KLTN HD2 channel, and we have registered several hundred calls (the format is on a marginal AM as well) asking about how to buy radios and all were very excited. This, perhaps and even hopefully will rub off on AM. Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? It's true! Right about that time he ceased being David_Gleason and became David Eduardo on the net. Now he claims to have been baptized 'Eduardo' in 1947, up in Cleveland, Ohio. He was born David Frackelton Gleason in 1946. One wonders why, when he spent so much time in Mexico, Ecuador, San Juan, etc., he did not use the 'Eduardo' shtick at that time? He had business cards printed, signed letters to listeners, was on HCJB, had his name in radio publications, both professional and hobby (most often appearing as David Gleason and at times as David F. Gleason) and NEVER once does the name 'Eduardo' ever come up. If one looks at his resume page, one very telling item is his mothers death notice which appears to be dated 1997 which lists her survivors as: Carolyn G. Oberndorf, David Gleason, H. Lansing Vail, Thomas V. H. Vail, Jane Vaughn and Stanton K. Gleason. Wonder why David didn't at least get an F. tossed in there, let alone an E. F.? At least his stepbrother got the V. H. put in. Bottom line, he certainly is a Frackelton, but he sure as hell isn't an 'Eduardo', at least until right around the year 2000 when he adopted that shtick, apparently right around the time he discovered that he could check off a box on the Census form and become an instant Hispanic. Most likely somehow all related to his business activities. dxAce Michigan USA |
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dxAce wrote: Steve wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band dies. The only potential uptick I see is in those auto systems where HD is included as a standard feature. Sampling of HD, at that point, would be a natural extension of radio sampling in general...playing with a new radio in a new car is fairly commonplace. See what it sounds like, on both bands...even if only to set the presets...there's still sampling going on. In that context, HD may get a fair hearing, and perhaps some encouraging acceptance. That is exactly what will be the make-or-break as to AM. FM is healthy. It will become healthier with HD 2 channels. It can potentially drage AM back into the game. This is why none of the big operators has sold a viable AM in years... all believe the value will be enhanced by HD. That is a many-billion-dollar gamble. So, as with most radio techological innovations, it's going to have to be in the cars in order to expose that captive audience to a fair hearing of HD-AM for an interest to be generated. (This, despite the fact that a majority of listening is not in cars.) But for those listeners who would have to actively pursue an HD experience without current regular AM usage...I'm not seeing it. Cars are where Americans are forced to get a new radio. Obviously, there is a trickle down aspect, as not everyone buys new cars (ever) and not everyone buys a new car every year or two. But this is the opportunity for AM. It is not an overnighter, but the band is fading, not exploding. So far, you've been talking about how the stations love HD-AM. You and I know that the success of any radio station is found in listener centric product and behaviour. The point that radio stations love HD-AM is unimportant. It's the listener's embrace that matters. And outside of controlled demostrations, there is nothing to suggest that there is more interest in HD-AM than in C-Quam. And the jury will be out for some time to come. We are years away from being able to evaluate listener response, which will be based on product demand. But the few reports that have started coming in are favorable. On the FM side, we put a Tejano format on last week ont he KLTN HD2 channel, and we have registered several hundred calls (the format is on a marginal AM as well) asking about how to buy radios and all were very excited. This, perhaps and even hopefully will rub off on AM. Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? It's true! Right about that time he ceased being David_Gleason and became David Eduardo on the net. Now he claims to have been baptized 'Eduardo' in 1947, up in Cleveland, Ohio. He was born David Frackelton Gleason in 1946. One wonders why, when he spent so much time in Mexico, Ecuador, San Juan, etc., he did not use the 'Eduardo' shtick at that time? He had business cards printed, signed letters to listeners, was on HCJB, had his name in radio publications, both professional and hobby (most often appearing as David Gleason and at times as David F. Gleason) and NEVER once does the name 'Eduardo' ever come up. If one looks at his resume page, one very telling item is his mothers death notice which appears to be dated 1997 which lists her survivors as: Carolyn G. Oberndorf, David Gleason, H. Lansing Vail, Thomas V. H. Vail, Jane Vaughn and Stanton K. Gleason. Wonder why David didn't at least get an F. tossed in there, let alone an E. F.? At least his stepbrother got the V. H. put in. Bottom line, he certainly is a Frackelton, but he sure as hell isn't an 'Eduardo', at least until right around the year 2000 when he adopted that shtick, apparently right around the time he discovered that he could check off a box on the Census form and become an instant Hispanic. Most likely somehow all related to his business activities. dxAce Michigan USA It's also interesting that, on his website, Tardo represents himself as "Executive Vice President of Univision Radio's research and programming division". However, if you look at the page promoting the NAB conference in San Diego in 2004 http://tinyurl.com/rzgea he's "president of programming at Univision Radio". Either Tardo was demoted since 2004 or he isn't able to keep his story straight. Interesting. |
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Steve wrote: dxAce wrote: Steve wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band dies. The only potential uptick I see is in those auto systems where HD is included as a standard feature. Sampling of HD, at that point, would be a natural extension of radio sampling in general...playing with a new radio in a new car is fairly commonplace. See what it sounds like, on both bands...even if only to set the presets...there's still sampling going on. In that context, HD may get a fair hearing, and perhaps some encouraging acceptance. That is exactly what will be the make-or-break as to AM. FM is healthy. It will become healthier with HD 2 channels. It can potentially drage AM back into the game. This is why none of the big operators has sold a viable AM in years... all believe the value will be enhanced by HD. That is a many-billion-dollar gamble. So, as with most radio techological innovations, it's going to have to be in the cars in order to expose that captive audience to a fair hearing of HD-AM for an interest to be generated. (This, despite the fact that a majority of listening is not in cars.) But for those listeners who would have to actively pursue an HD experience without current regular AM usage...I'm not seeing it. Cars are where Americans are forced to get a new radio. Obviously, there is a trickle down aspect, as not everyone buys new cars (ever) and not everyone buys a new car every year or two. But this is the opportunity for AM. It is not an overnighter, but the band is fading, not exploding. So far, you've been talking about how the stations love HD-AM. You and I know that the success of any radio station is found in listener centric product and behaviour. The point that radio stations love HD-AM is unimportant. It's the listener's embrace that matters. And outside of controlled demostrations, there is nothing to suggest that there is more interest in HD-AM than in C-Quam. And the jury will be out for some time to come. We are years away from being able to evaluate listener response, which will be based on product demand. But the few reports that have started coming in are favorable. On the FM side, we put a Tejano format on last week ont he KLTN HD2 channel, and we have registered several hundred calls (the format is on a marginal AM as well) asking about how to buy radios and all were very excited. This, perhaps and even hopefully will rub off on AM. Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? It's true! Right about that time he ceased being David_Gleason and became David Eduardo on the net. Now he claims to have been baptized 'Eduardo' in 1947, up in Cleveland, Ohio. He was born David Frackelton Gleason in 1946. One wonders why, when he spent so much time in Mexico, Ecuador, San Juan, etc., he did not use the 'Eduardo' shtick at that time? He had business cards printed, signed letters to listeners, was on HCJB, had his name in radio publications, both professional and hobby (most often appearing as David Gleason and at times as David F. Gleason) and NEVER once does the name 'Eduardo' ever come up. If one looks at his resume page, one very telling item is his mothers death notice which appears to be dated 1997 which lists her survivors as: Carolyn G. Oberndorf, David Gleason, H. Lansing Vail, Thomas V. H. Vail, Jane Vaughn and Stanton K. Gleason. Wonder why David didn't at least get an F. tossed in there, let alone an E. F.? At least his stepbrother got the V. H. put in. Bottom line, he certainly is a Frackelton, but he sure as hell isn't an 'Eduardo', at least until right around the year 2000 when he adopted that shtick, apparently right around the time he discovered that he could check off a box on the Census form and become an instant Hispanic. Most likely somehow all related to his business activities. dxAce Hmmm. That is interesting. I also noticed that in 2004 in San Diego he participated in a panel discussion about the future of radio as "David Gleason". A link is he http://tinyurl.com/l7mr8 He's obviously got some kind of scam going. Also, I don't know whether this has been posted before, but the following might explain why Tardo wants to disrupt the activities of RRS. Turns out he just plain old doesn't like DXers and "took his Drake to the dumpster" out of disgust: ************************************************** *********** ************************************************** *********** KTNQ is no longer testing. IBOC is on 6 A to 6 P permanently. We believe it may be the only one on the West Coast in regular operation (David Gleason, Univisi?n Radio, ibid.) So, did you guys forget to notify the FCC of your IBOC operation? Notification is supposed to take place within 10 days from your startup date (Barry McLarnon, VE3JF, Ottawa, ON, ibid.) The FCC list is hardly complete. It is missing several hundred stations that have notified of intent and are installing now. Just in my company, there are 16 stations installing the gear and several already running; they were among the original Ibiquity signers. I'd say that the FCC is simply not paying much attention to the list (Gleason, ibid.) I'm sure they don't care about intent, or who's signed up with Ibiquity, but you DO have to formally notify them soon after you actually start transmitting IBOC. If you don't, then I'd say you are operating illegally. Of course, that doesn't seem to matter much these days (Barry McLarnon, VE3JF, Ottawa, ON, ibid.) Barry, KTNQ has done all the necessary notifications. Our company has never been fined or cited for a major violation. Suggesting we are operating incorrectly without first checking is personally, professionally and morally of the highest offense. It's rude, Barry, and insensitive to a company that has 1,500 employees and probably does more service to its communities than any other broadcast company I know of on this planet. Yes, I am ****ed. And really offended. Why the hell do you and some other DXers think that every radio station in the US is operating illegally and incompetently. [whining jag clipped] This kind of crap is enough to make me take the Drake to the dumpster and forget about DXing. And you wonder why stations don't answer reports anymore --- several of the supposed DXers on this group have enough misguided venom to turn off any broadcaster. Most of us are professions, responsible and dedicated. There are over 100 thousand people working in radio. Nearly none of them are dishonest and deceitful. KTNQ had its paperwork for IBOC in order, as it does on every legal and technical matter, long before you started speculating and pointing your finger. I first became an NRC member in 1958. After this insult, 2003 will be my last if I can get a refund for my remaining months. And --- you should have seen this message _before_ I edited it (David Gleason, ibid.) [snip] I hope David and Barry can get over what seems to be a pretty mild misunderstanding. I, for one, value both David's industry insight and Barry's outstanding DX skills, and I'd hate to lose either of them on this list or in the club (or at the convention this fall!!!) s (Scott Fybush, NY, ibid.) The tone of the Barry-gram was simply so dismissive and rude, that I am disposing of the Drake, already wrote to NRC to cancel membership and am out of here. This is like being a conservative at the annual Marx-Engels Awards (Gleason, ibid.) I would urge that this thread be terminated (NRC-AM Moderator, ibid.) ************************************************** ******** ************************************************** ******** It looks like Tardo never really got this tantrum out of his system and is now taking it out on RRS. Talk about a prima donna! Yes, I had read that previously but had forgotten about the Drake comment. Sacrilege! dxAce Michigan USA |
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dxAce wrote: Steve wrote: dxAce wrote: Steve wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band dies. The only potential uptick I see is in those auto systems where HD is included as a standard feature. Sampling of HD, at that point, would be a natural extension of radio sampling in general...playing with a new radio in a new car is fairly commonplace. See what it sounds like, on both bands...even if only to set the presets...there's still sampling going on. In that context, HD may get a fair hearing, and perhaps some encouraging acceptance. That is exactly what will be the make-or-break as to AM. FM is healthy. It will become healthier with HD 2 channels. It can potentially drage AM back into the game. This is why none of the big operators has sold a viable AM in years... all believe the value will be enhanced by HD. That is a many-billion-dollar gamble. So, as with most radio techological innovations, it's going to have to be in the cars in order to expose that captive audience to a fair hearing of HD-AM for an interest to be generated. (This, despite the fact that a majority of listening is not in cars.) But for those listeners who would have to actively pursue an HD experience without current regular AM usage...I'm not seeing it. Cars are where Americans are forced to get a new radio. Obviously, there is a trickle down aspect, as not everyone buys new cars (ever) and not everyone buys a new car every year or two. But this is the opportunity for AM. It is not an overnighter, but the band is fading, not exploding. So far, you've been talking about how the stations love HD-AM. You and I know that the success of any radio station is found in listener centric product and behaviour. The point that radio stations love HD-AM is unimportant. It's the listener's embrace that matters. And outside of controlled demostrations, there is nothing to suggest that there is more interest in HD-AM than in C-Quam. And the jury will be out for some time to come. We are years away from being able to evaluate listener response, which will be based on product demand. But the few reports that have started coming in are favorable. On the FM side, we put a Tejano format on last week ont he KLTN HD2 channel, and we have registered several hundred calls (the format is on a marginal AM as well) asking about how to buy radios and all were very excited. This, perhaps and even hopefully will rub off on AM. Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? It's true! Right about that time he ceased being David_Gleason and became David Eduardo on the net. Now he claims to have been baptized 'Eduardo' in 1947, up in Cleveland, Ohio. He was born David Frackelton Gleason in 1946. One wonders why, when he spent so much time in Mexico, Ecuador, San Juan, etc., he did not use the 'Eduardo' shtick at that time? He had business cards printed, signed letters to listeners, was on HCJB, had his name in radio publications, both professional and hobby (most often appearing as David Gleason and at times as David F. Gleason) and NEVER once does the name 'Eduardo' ever come up. If one looks at his resume page, one very telling item is his mothers death notice which appears to be dated 1997 which lists her survivors as: Carolyn G. Oberndorf, David Gleason, H. Lansing Vail, Thomas V. H. Vail, Jane Vaughn and Stanton K. Gleason. Wonder why David didn't at least get an F. tossed in there, let alone an E. F.? At least his stepbrother got the V. H. put in. Bottom line, he certainly is a Frackelton, but he sure as hell isn't an 'Eduardo', at least until right around the year 2000 when he adopted that shtick, apparently right around the time he discovered that he could check off a box on the Census form and become an instant Hispanic. Most likely somehow all related to his business activities. dxAce Hmmm. That is interesting. I also noticed that in 2004 in San Diego he participated in a panel discussion about the future of radio as "David Gleason". A link is he http://tinyurl.com/l7mr8 He's obviously got some kind of scam going. Also, I don't know whether this has been posted before, but the following might explain why Tardo wants to disrupt the activities of RRS. Turns out he just plain old doesn't like DXers and "took his Drake to the dumpster" out of disgust: ************************************************** *********** ************************************************** *********** KTNQ is no longer testing. IBOC is on 6 A to 6 P permanently. We believe it may be the only one on the West Coast in regular operation (David Gleason, Univisi?n Radio, ibid.) So, did you guys forget to notify the FCC of your IBOC operation? Notification is supposed to take place within 10 days from your startup date (Barry McLarnon, VE3JF, Ottawa, ON, ibid.) The FCC list is hardly complete. It is missing several hundred stations that have notified of intent and are installing now. Just in my company, there are 16 stations installing the gear and several already running; they were among the original Ibiquity signers. I'd say that the FCC is simply not paying much attention to the list (Gleason, ibid.) I'm sure they don't care about intent, or who's signed up with Ibiquity, but you DO have to formally notify them soon after you actually start transmitting IBOC. If you don't, then I'd say you are operating illegally. Of course, that doesn't seem to matter much these days (Barry McLarnon, VE3JF, Ottawa, ON, ibid.) Barry, KTNQ has done all the necessary notifications. Our company has never been fined or cited for a major violation. Suggesting we are operating incorrectly without first checking is personally, professionally and morally of the highest offense. It's rude, Barry, and insensitive to a company that has 1,500 employees and probably does more service to its communities than any other broadcast company I know of on this planet. Yes, I am ****ed. And really offended. Why the hell do you and some other DXers think that every radio station in the US is operating illegally and incompetently. [whining jag clipped] This kind of crap is enough to make me take the Drake to the dumpster and forget about DXing. And you wonder why stations don't answer reports anymore --- several of the supposed DXers on this group have enough misguided venom to turn off any broadcaster. Most of us are professions, responsible and dedicated. There are over 100 thousand people working in radio. Nearly none of them are dishonest and deceitful. KTNQ had its paperwork for IBOC in order, as it does on every legal and technical matter, long before you started speculating and pointing your finger. I first became an NRC member in 1958. After this insult, 2003 will be my last if I can get a refund for my remaining months. And --- you should have seen this message _before_ I edited it (David Gleason, ibid.) [snip] I hope David and Barry can get over what seems to be a pretty mild misunderstanding. I, for one, value both David's industry insight and Barry's outstanding DX skills, and I'd hate to lose either of them on this list or in the club (or at the convention this fall!!!) s (Scott Fybush, NY, ibid.) The tone of the Barry-gram was simply so dismissive and rude, that I am disposing of the Drake, already wrote to NRC to cancel membership and am out of here. This is like being a conservative at the annual Marx-Engels Awards (Gleason, ibid.) I would urge that this thread be terminated (NRC-AM Moderator, ibid.) ************************************************** ******** ************************************************** ******** It looks like Tardo never really got this tantrum out of his system and is now taking it out on RRS. Talk about a prima donna! Yes, I had read that previously but had forgotten about the Drake comment. Sacrilege! Oh yeah, he has indicated to me that he currently has a Drake R8B and two R75's. So I wonder if he ever actually disposed of the Drake, or whether that was yet more of Edweenies BS? |
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dxAce wrote: dxAce wrote: Steve wrote: dxAce wrote: Steve wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band dies. The only potential uptick I see is in those auto systems where HD is included as a standard feature. Sampling of HD, at that point, would be a natural extension of radio sampling in general...playing with a new radio in a new car is fairly commonplace. See what it sounds like, on both bands...even if only to set the presets...there's still sampling going on. In that context, HD may get a fair hearing, and perhaps some encouraging acceptance. That is exactly what will be the make-or-break as to AM. FM is healthy. It will become healthier with HD 2 channels. It can potentially drage AM back into the game. This is why none of the big operators has sold a viable AM in years... all believe the value will be enhanced by HD. That is a many-billion-dollar gamble. So, as with most radio techological innovations, it's going to have to be in the cars in order to expose that captive audience to a fair hearing of HD-AM for an interest to be generated. (This, despite the fact that a majority of listening is not in cars.) But for those listeners who would have to actively pursue an HD experience without current regular AM usage...I'm not seeing it. Cars are where Americans are forced to get a new radio. Obviously, there is a trickle down aspect, as not everyone buys new cars (ever) and not everyone buys a new car every year or two. But this is the opportunity for AM. It is not an overnighter, but the band is fading, not exploding. So far, you've been talking about how the stations love HD-AM. You and I know that the success of any radio station is found in listener centric product and behaviour. The point that radio stations love HD-AM is unimportant. It's the listener's embrace that matters. And outside of controlled demostrations, there is nothing to suggest that there is more interest in HD-AM than in C-Quam. And the jury will be out for some time to come. We are years away from being able to evaluate listener response, which will be based on product demand. But the few reports that have started coming in are favorable. On the FM side, we put a Tejano format on last week ont he KLTN HD2 channel, and we have registered several hundred calls (the format is on a marginal AM as well) asking about how to buy radios and all were very excited. This, perhaps and even hopefully will rub off on AM. Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? It's true! Right about that time he ceased being David_Gleason and became David Eduardo on the net. Now he claims to have been baptized 'Eduardo' in 1947, up in Cleveland, Ohio. He was born David Frackelton Gleason in 1946. One wonders why, when he spent so much time in Mexico, Ecuador, San Juan, etc., he did not use the 'Eduardo' shtick at that time? He had business cards printed, signed letters to listeners, was on HCJB, had his name in radio publications, both professional and hobby (most often appearing as David Gleason and at times as David F. Gleason) and NEVER once does the name 'Eduardo' ever come up. If one looks at his resume page, one very telling item is his mothers death notice which appears to be dated 1997 which lists her survivors as: Carolyn G. Oberndorf, David Gleason, H. Lansing Vail, Thomas V. H. Vail, Jane Vaughn and Stanton K. Gleason. Wonder why David didn't at least get an F. tossed in there, let alone an E. F.? At least his stepbrother got the V. H. put in. Bottom line, he certainly is a Frackelton, but he sure as hell isn't an 'Eduardo', at least until right around the year 2000 when he adopted that shtick, apparently right around the time he discovered that he could check off a box on the Census form and become an instant Hispanic. Most likely somehow all related to his business activities. dxAce Hmmm. That is interesting. I also noticed that in 2004 in San Diego he participated in a panel discussion about the future of radio as "David Gleason". A link is he http://tinyurl.com/l7mr8 He's obviously got some kind of scam going. Also, I don't know whether this has been posted before, but the following might explain why Tardo wants to disrupt the activities of RRS. Turns out he just plain old doesn't like DXers and "took his Drake to the dumpster" out of disgust: ************************************************** *********** ************************************************** *********** KTNQ is no longer testing. IBOC is on 6 A to 6 P permanently. We believe it may be the only one on the West Coast in regular operation (David Gleason, Univisi?n Radio, ibid.) So, did you guys forget to notify the FCC of your IBOC operation? Notification is supposed to take place within 10 days from your startup date (Barry McLarnon, VE3JF, Ottawa, ON, ibid.) The FCC list is hardly complete. It is missing several hundred stations that have notified of intent and are installing now. Just in my company, there are 16 stations installing the gear and several already running; they were among the original Ibiquity signers. I'd say that the FCC is simply not paying much attention to the list (Gleason, ibid.) I'm sure they don't care about intent, or who's signed up with Ibiquity, but you DO have to formally notify them soon after you actually start transmitting IBOC. If you don't, then I'd say you are operating illegally. Of course, that doesn't seem to matter much these days (Barry McLarnon, VE3JF, Ottawa, ON, ibid.) Barry, KTNQ has done all the necessary notifications. Our company has never been fined or cited for a major violation. Suggesting we are operating incorrectly without first checking is personally, professionally and morally of the highest offense. It's rude, Barry, and insensitive to a company that has 1,500 employees and probably does more service to its communities than any other broadcast company I know of on this planet. Yes, I am ****ed. And really offended. Why the hell do you and some other DXers think that every radio station in the US is operating illegally and incompetently. [whining jag clipped] This kind of crap is enough to make me take the Drake to the dumpster and forget about DXing. And you wonder why stations don't answer reports anymore --- several of the supposed DXers on this group have enough misguided venom to turn off any broadcaster. Most of us are professions, responsible and dedicated. There are over 100 thousand people working in radio. Nearly none of them are dishonest and deceitful. KTNQ had its paperwork for IBOC in order, as it does on every legal and technical matter, long before you started speculating and pointing your finger. I first became an NRC member in 1958. After this insult, 2003 will be my last if I can get a refund for my remaining months. And --- you should have seen this message _before_ I edited it (David Gleason, ibid.) [snip] I hope David and Barry can get over what seems to be a pretty mild misunderstanding. I, for one, value both David's industry insight and Barry's outstanding DX skills, and I'd hate to lose either of them on this list or in the club (or at the convention this fall!!!) s (Scott Fybush, NY, ibid.) The tone of the Barry-gram was simply so dismissive and rude, that I am disposing of the Drake, already wrote to NRC to cancel membership and am out of here. This is like being a conservative at the annual Marx-Engels Awards (Gleason, ibid.) I would urge that this thread be terminated (NRC-AM Moderator, ibid.) ************************************************** ******** ************************************************** ******** It looks like Tardo never really got this tantrum out of his system and is now taking it out on RRS. Talk about a prima donna! Yes, I had read that previously but had forgotten about the Drake comment. Sacrilege! Oh yeah, he has indicated to me that he currently has a Drake R8B and two R75's. So I wonder if he ever actually disposed of the Drake, or whether that was yet more of Edweenies BS? From alt.politics.immigration on June 28 2006: "I own two of them [referring to the R75's]. Also a Drake and a TenTec." I seem to recall him saying the Drake was an R8B, but have not yet found that quote. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message .com... AM is not a person. There is no dignity in its death, but there is the loss off tens of thousands of jobs, and the losses to maybe hundreds of thousands of mutual fund shareholders, insurance companies and pension plans. [snip] Oh, my. This is serious. And since all the AM listeners are projected to become FM listeners, the ad money will similiarly go the FM stations. Will the FM stations be able to hire some of the current AM workers? Not if those AM workers die with AM radio, they won't. And those poor investors? Well, if they're looking ahead, they'll be selling Clear Channel and buying -- oh, I dunno -- maybe Clear Channel. Frank Dresser |
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"Steve" wrote in message s.com... David Eduardo wrote: Huh? We are trying to preserve the value of tens of billions of dollars worth of AM stations by keeping them viable for longer. The truth is more along the lines of "We are trying to make a quick buck while the opportunity still exists." There is no way to make a quick buck in radio. If you know how, please illuminate us. Otherwise, do what you keep telling me to do: stuff it. Your defense for soing nothing is based on a total lack of facts, no alternate plan, no alternatives. You just criticize what is being done, yet have no suggestions... just invective. This is how AM radio in the Western Hemisphere and, probably, Asia is going to be. If you think reality is in disagreement with your interests, don't blame me. Go see a psychiatrist. If you're right, then the decline of AM will go from rapid to greased lightning. Since HD does not interfere with existing AM listening in analog, try explaining this one, too. I'm pretty sure that "putting down" refers to the interests of folks in this newsgroup. You might want to read the next post you reply to. That said, HD does not even promise to keep AM viable. It is simply an alternative form of death. Face this simple fact and pull your fat little head out of the sand. Proof? This is like saying in 1960 that FM stereo will kill FM. Existing receivers are compatible, and those with new receivers get a better quality. The losers: an tiny handful of DXers on AM, and a very few listeners to distant signals. The DXers will adapt (just as they did to 24/7 schedules in the 50's and 60's) and the distant "regulars" will have to go to satellite, streaming, etc. |
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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', since c.2000 wrote: "Steve" wrote in message s.com... David Eduardo wrote: Huh? We are trying to preserve the value of tens of billions of dollars worth of AM stations by keeping them viable for longer. The truth is more along the lines of "We are trying to make a quick buck while the opportunity still exists." There is no way to make a quick buck in radio. If you know how, please illuminate us. Otherwise, do what you keep telling me to do: stuff it. Your defense for soing nothing is based on a total lack of facts, no alternate plan, no alternatives. You just criticize what is being done, yet have no suggestions... just invective. This is how AM radio in the Western Hemisphere and, probably, Asia is going to be. If you think reality is in disagreement with your interests, don't blame me. Go see a psychiatrist. If you're right, then the decline of AM will go from rapid to greased lightning. Since HD does not interfere with existing AM listening in analog, try explaining this one, too. Sure it does, Edweenie! It DESTROYS the two adjacent channels, you blubbering nitwit! dxAce Michigan USA |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message s.com... David Eduardo wrote: Huh? We are trying to preserve the value of tens of billions of dollars worth of AM stations by keeping them viable for longer. The truth is more along the lines of "We are trying to make a quick buck while the opportunity still exists." There is no way to make a quick buck in radio. If you know how, please illuminate us. Otherwise, do what you keep telling me to do: stuff it. Your defense for soing nothing is based on a total lack of facts, no alternate plan, no alternatives. You just criticize what is being done, yet have no suggestions... just invective. That's more than you have, Sunshine. This is how AM radio in the Western Hemisphere and, probably, Asia is going to be. If you think reality is in disagreement with your interests, don't blame me. Go see a psychiatrist. If you're right, then the decline of AM will go from rapid to greased lightning. Since HD does not interfere with existing AM listening in analog, try explaining this one, too. It does interfere with existing AM listening, nutsack. Maybe you should actually turn on a radio one of these days. You've apparently never heard one. I'm pretty sure that "putting down" refers to the interests of folks in this newsgroup. You might want to read the next post you reply to. That said, HD does not even promise to keep AM viable. It is simply an alternative form of death. Face this simple fact and pull your fat little head out of the sand. Proof? This is like saying in 1960 that FM stereo will kill FM. No. Not at all. Existing receivers are compatible, and those with new receivers get a better quality. The losers: an tiny handful of DXers on AM, and a very few listeners to distant signals. The DXers will adapt (just as they did to 24/7 schedules in the 50's and 60's) and the distant "regulars" will have to go to satellite, streaming, etc. A tiny handful of people who appear to have you worried enough to keep coming back to this group again and again and again. You sure seem preoccupied with this unimportant group. |
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cushions.One time,in the winter time,she came boiling out from her blanket on her couch,she jumped on the hard wood floor and barked her arse off at me. cuhulin |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't news. But the fact remains. That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen outside of the city grade contour. But, until there are receivers out there... nobody is going to cange much in a succesful (still) format. The changes will come in second tier formats, I think... and in modifications of existing ones to broaden them. WGN has to change, as it is in a revenue death spin, and is hurting the Trib's stock price single handed. That's exactly my point...it's a gamble. A crap shoot. Targeting the superficiality and subjective perception of audio quality. While the real attraction to listening is content. No station today will do a youjnger A format. There is still time to adapt as HD gets into user hands. This is a 5 year issue. Keep in mind that satellite has talken 5 years to get to around 11 million subscribers. Of course, this is a poor analogy as satellite seems to have hit a wall... and may truly never be viable financially. You've noted growth at your AM's on the West Coast. Those are due to content, not audio quality. And your growth has exceeded expectations. But the growth is in existing older formats on stations that were not doing well, like KLOK. Its a stop-gap until HD makes younger formats viable. Our main Miami AM station has an average age of 72! Whether HD has been implemented or not, HD's 'improved' audio quality is not a factor, since receiving hardware is both expensive and not widely available. $149 car radio this week. 6 others, from the Tivoli on down were announced. In fact, your share increase would exceed the number of HD radios sold in those markets were explosive growth has taken place. IF HD audio is not a factor, it's the content that's attracting listeners. In under 45 demo's at that. Nope, It is all older, and we are talking about going form 0.4 to 0.6 in some cases. Holding the water out of the fields by putting a finger in the dike. Waiting for the chance that HD affords us. However, HD is putting that content off limits to potential listeners, by trashing the bands in weak signal areas with other station's HD rash. If noise and audio quality are, indeed, factors keeping AM from stable growth, or at least stable levels of listenership, increasing noise found in HD sidebands is not going to be a viable solution. None of the stations I have studied gets any real listening outside of its 5 mv/m signal area (and what there is is suspect... probably done in the car, etc) and most is inside the 10 mv/m. In LA, nearly all our listening is inside the 15 mv/m due to the high noise levels in this market. We don't lose anything. In fact, the AM HD is useable farther than analog due to analog noise. Then, again, if audio quality is really an issue, that same Tejano format on HD2, since HD radios must resolve both AM and FM HD, will present an attraction of listeners away from the AM station, even if listening is done in AM HD. The AM will probably go away eventually. It is one of the AMs that shoud never have existed. As long as we keep the audience, and expand it, we really don't care what the delivery method is. It's a gamble... but doing nothing is not an alternative. |
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Steve wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message s.com... David Eduardo wrote: Huh? We are trying to preserve the value of tens of billions of dollars worth of AM stations by keeping them viable for longer. The truth is more along the lines of "We are trying to make a quick buck while the opportunity still exists." There is no way to make a quick buck in radio. If you know how, please illuminate us. Otherwise, do what you keep telling me to do: stuff it. Your defense for soing nothing is based on a total lack of facts, no alternate plan, no alternatives. You just criticize what is being done, yet have no suggestions... just invective. That's more than you have, Sunshine. This is how AM radio in the Western Hemisphere and, probably, Asia is going to be. If you think reality is in disagreement with your interests, don't blame me. Go see a psychiatrist. If you're right, then the decline of AM will go from rapid to greased lightning. Since HD does not interfere with existing AM listening in analog, try explaining this one, too. It does interfere with existing AM listening, nutsack. Maybe you should actually turn on a radio one of these days. You've apparently never heard one. I'm pretty sure that "putting down" refers to the interests of folks in this newsgroup. You might want to read the next post you reply to. That said, HD does not even promise to keep AM viable. It is simply an alternative form of death. Face this simple fact and pull your fat little head out of the sand. Proof? This is like saying in 1960 that FM stereo will kill FM. No. Not at all. Existing receivers are compatible, and those with new receivers get a better quality. The losers: an tiny handful of DXers on AM, and a very few listeners to distant signals. The DXers will adapt (just as they did to 24/7 schedules in the 50's and 60's) and the distant "regulars" will have to go to satellite, streaming, etc. A tiny handful of people who appear to have you worried enough to keep coming back to this group again and again and again. You sure seem preoccupied with this unimportant group. Obsessed! dxAce Michigan USA |
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David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't news. But the fact remains. That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen outside of the city grade contour. But, until there are receivers out there... nobody is going to cange much in a succesful (still) format. The changes will come in second tier formats, I think... and in modifications of existing ones to broaden them. WGN has to change, as it is in a revenue death spin, and is hurting the Trib's stock price single handed. That's exactly my point...it's a gamble. A crap shoot. Targeting the superficiality and subjective perception of audio quality. While the real attraction to listening is content. No station today will do a youjnger A format. There is still time to adapt as HD gets into user hands. This is a 5 year issue. Keep in mind that satellite has talken 5 years to get to around 11 million subscribers. Of course, this is a poor analogy as satellite seems to have hit a wall... and may truly never be viable financially. You've noted growth at your AM's on the West Coast. Those are due to content, not audio quality. And your growth has exceeded expectations. But the growth is in existing older formats on stations that were not doing well, like KLOK. Its a stop-gap until HD makes younger formats viable. Our main Miami AM station has an average age of 72! Whether HD has been implemented or not, HD's 'improved' audio quality is not a factor, since receiving hardware is both expensive and not widely available. $149 car radio this week. 6 others, from the Tivoli on down were announced. In fact, your share increase would exceed the number of HD radios sold in those markets were explosive growth has taken place. IF HD audio is not a factor, it's the content that's attracting listeners. In under 45 demo's at that. Nope, It is all older, and we are talking about going form 0.4 to 0.6 in some cases. Holding the water out of the fields by putting a finger in the dike. Waiting for the chance that HD affords us. However, HD is putting that content off limits to potential listeners, by trashing the bands in weak signal areas with other station's HD rash. If noise and audio quality are, indeed, factors keeping AM from stable growth, or at least stable levels of listenership, increasing noise found in HD sidebands is not going to be a viable solution. None of the stations I have studied gets any real listening outside of its 5 mv/m signal area (and what there is is suspect... probably done in the car, etc) and most is inside the 10 mv/m. In LA, nearly all our listening is inside the 15 mv/m due to the high noise levels in this market. We don't lose anything. In fact, the AM HD is useable farther than analog due to analog noise. Then, again, if audio quality is really an issue, that same Tejano format on HD2, since HD radios must resolve both AM and FM HD, will present an attraction of listeners away from the AM station, even if listening is done in AM HD. The AM will probably go away eventually. It is one of the AMs that shoud never have existed. As long as we keep the audience, and expand it, we really don't care what the delivery method is. It's a gamble... but doing nothing is not an alternative. If this is the best you can come up with, I suggest you read up on how to put satellites into orbit. |
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dxAce wrote: Steve wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band dies. The only potential uptick I see is in those auto systems where HD is included as a standard feature. Sampling of HD, at that point, would be a natural extension of radio sampling in general...playing with a new radio in a new car is fairly commonplace. See what it sounds like, on both bands...even if only to set the presets...there's still sampling going on. In that context, HD may get a fair hearing, and perhaps some encouraging acceptance. That is exactly what will be the make-or-break as to AM. FM is healthy. It will become healthier with HD 2 channels. It can potentially drage AM back into the game. This is why none of the big operators has sold a viable AM in years... all believe the value will be enhanced by HD. That is a many-billion-dollar gamble. So, as with most radio techological innovations, it's going to have to be in the cars in order to expose that captive audience to a fair hearing of HD-AM for an interest to be generated. (This, despite the fact that a majority of listening is not in cars.) But for those listeners who would have to actively pursue an HD experience without current regular AM usage...I'm not seeing it. Cars are where Americans are forced to get a new radio. Obviously, there is a trickle down aspect, as not everyone buys new cars (ever) and not everyone buys a new car every year or two. But this is the opportunity for AM. It is not an overnighter, but the band is fading, not exploding. So far, you've been talking about how the stations love HD-AM. You and I know that the success of any radio station is found in listener centric product and behaviour. The point that radio stations love HD-AM is unimportant. It's the listener's embrace that matters. And outside of controlled demostrations, there is nothing to suggest that there is more interest in HD-AM than in C-Quam. And the jury will be out for some time to come. We are years away from being able to evaluate listener response, which will be based on product demand. But the few reports that have started coming in are favorable. On the FM side, we put a Tejano format on last week ont he KLTN HD2 channel, and we have registered several hundred calls (the format is on a marginal AM as well) asking about how to buy radios and all were very excited. This, perhaps and even hopefully will rub off on AM. Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? It's true! Right about that time he ceased being David_Gleason and became David Eduardo on the net. Now he claims to have been baptized 'Eduardo' in 1947, up in Cleveland, Ohio. He was born David Frackelton Gleason in 1946. One wonders why, when he spent so much time in Mexico, Ecuador, San Juan, etc., he did not use the 'Eduardo' shtick at that time? He had business cards printed, signed letters to listeners, was on HCJB, had his name in radio publications, both professional and hobby (most often appearing as David Gleason and at times as David F. Gleason) and NEVER once does the name 'Eduardo' ever come up. If one looks at his resume page, one very telling item is his mothers death notice which appears to be dated 1997 which lists her survivors as: Carolyn G. Oberndorf, David Gleason, H. Lansing Vail, Thomas V. H. Vail, Jane Vaughn and Stanton K. Gleason. Wonder why David didn't at least get an F. tossed in there, let alone an E. F.? At least his stepbrother got the V. H. put in. Bottom line, he certainly is a Frackelton, but he sure as hell isn't an 'Eduardo', at least until right around the year 2000 when he adopted that shtick, apparently right around the time he discovered that he could check off a box on the Census form and become an instant Hispanic. Most likely somehow all related to his business activities. dxAce Michigan USA It doesn't get much lamer than that. Steve |
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