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David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Again with the problem of how AMBCB sounds. AMBCB sounds just fine. Even when music is available on FM, such as Mexico (loads of music stations still there) the younger audience does not listen. In fact, FM listening in Mexico is higher than that of the US! It is nearly all about quality of the sound, not the programming... because most Mexican cities have more viable AM signals than US cities do. Maybe it is just that FM is stereo. Most FM listening in the US is not stereo. Most people in the US aren't BUSTED, but you are. |
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"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's a gamble... but doing nothing is not an alternative. If this is the best you can come up with, I suggest you read up on how to put satellites into orbit. That is an even worse business model. There is some doubt that satellite will be profitable before WiMax makes it obsolete, with better reception in the long run... especially in home and at work, where satellite is a frail contender. Gee, in that case it looks like your f*cked. Not to mention BUSTED!!! Satellite has 300 channels in the hands of only two owners. AM and FM radio have 13,500 stations in the hads of about 3500 owners. When there are viable alternative delivery systems to towers in the marksh and antennas on the hill, we will push the content through them. For the moment, there are no "free" alternatives that seem to be both viable, not tied to a cellular provider, or don't have recurring fees associated to them. |
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"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: Listeners like you are not of any "value" to the local market. Since ratings show listening to stations by location, your listening to DX does not help the distant station... since your listening shows up in Grand Rapids, not in the home market to the station. At least he's not BUSTED!! Whatever that means. Are you DX's sock puppet? You both post the same gibberish, with no content, no facts, no suggestions and no information. You just are here to insult others. At least DX had a brief exchange about Niger today. You don't apport anything. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's a gamble... but doing nothing is not an alternative. If this is the best you can come up with, I suggest you read up on how to put satellites into orbit. That is an even worse business model. There is some doubt that satellite will be profitable before WiMax makes it obsolete, with better reception in the long run... especially in home and at work, where satellite is a frail contender. Gee, in that case it looks like your f*cked. Not to mention BUSTED!!! Satellite has 300 channels in the hands of only two owners. AM and FM radio have 13,500 stations in the hads of about 3500 owners. When there are viable alternative delivery systems to towers in the marksh and antennas on the hill, we will push the content through them. For the moment, there are no "free" alternatives that seem to be both viable, not tied to a cellular provider, or don't have recurring fees associated to them. For the moment, you are BUSTED!!!! |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: Listeners like you are not of any "value" to the local market. Since ratings show listening to stations by location, your listening to DX does not help the distant station... since your listening shows up in Grand Rapids, not in the home market to the station. At least he's not BUSTED!! Whatever that means. Are you DX's sock puppet? You both post the same gibberish, with no content, no facts, no suggestions and no information. You just are here to insult others. At least DX had a brief exchange about Niger today. You don't apport anything. LOL! You're just mad because you got caught today with your hand in the cookie jar. BUSTED! |
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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' since c.2000 and shillmaster for HD/IBOC wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: Listeners like you are not of any "value" to the local market. Since ratings show listening to stations by location, your listening to DX does not help the distant station... since your listening shows up in Grand Rapids, not in the home market to the station. At least he's not BUSTED!! Whatever that means. Are you DX's sock puppet? You both post the same gibberish, with no content, no facts, no suggestions and no information. You just are here to insult others. At least DX had a brief exchange about Niger today. Yeah, and it beat all your IBOC crap, didn't it, Edweenie? So where is the other 'R-75'? You said you had two (2). dxAce Michigan USA |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't news. But the fact remains. That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen outside of the city grade contour. But, until there are receivers out there... nobody is going to cange much in a succesful (still) format. The changes will come in second tier formats, I think... and in modifications of existing ones to broaden them. WGN has to change, as it is in a revenue death spin, and is hurting the Trib's stock price single handed. So, WGN is waiting for receivers to fall into listeners' hands before lowering their demo target? I don't think they know how to change the demos on that one. This may be an example of the casualties of very old leaning AMs. They will have to very much remake the station for it to work for anyone. Once sampled, if the audio quality is attractive but the content hasn't changed, there will likely not be a resampling. Leaving HD to benefit those who already listen and enjoy. I think once there are enough receivers, stations with very old profiles will make changes, even at the risk of losing the big 12+ numbers. WGN coiuld lose 60% of its audience, and yet not be any less salable today. They will probably survey the under 55 listeners to see what they like and focus there, killing the 55+ content. Master AM programmer Gabe Hobbs, while at WFLA, instructed the hosts to address the elderly as, "are you one of those blue haired old ladies from..." or "sir, would you put your dentures in so we can understand you?" This essentially blew away the oldedr crowd, and was perceived as amusing by the younger listeners who then felt the station was "theirs." WGN will eventually have to do that. WLS did something like that under Michael Packer. A memo was leaked to Bob Feder of the Sun-Times who hammered WLS for weeks about the displacement of the older listeners in favor of younger demos. The stink hit other media, and eventually, the strategy had to be rescinded. If Roe Conn called someone a blue hair today, there would be armed riots at 190 North. If you really want to blow off 55+, it's going to have to be done gracefully. Guys like Feder really don't get it. And are on a f*cking mission when they get their back up about things like this. But not providing anything more attractive than audio quality for those who generally do not. If audio quality were the only selling point to KEZK, it would still be Schulke. And WRTH would have never been 'Beautiful Music.' It's the content that attracted and held listeners to each. Granted this is in an era when FM still had novelty listening, but the point is, when the audience began to shift from AM to FM, it was the content on the stations of either band that changed to create viable audiences...audio quality was only a factor where content requiring audio quality was concerned. Music went to FM, where off main music formats and talk took over AM. {content stipulated. Disagree, but stipulated} Then, you're making my point for me. AM-HD is going to benefit only existing listeners. IN the meantime, trashing the band audibly as any potential listeners sample content only underscored that FM is a better option for them. Younger, or older. No, in our case, we are aiming at 35-44, and waiting for HD to start. None of the stations I have studied gets any real listening outside of its 5 mv/m signal area (and what there is is suspect... probably done in the car, etc) and most is inside the 10 mv/m. In LA, nearly all our listening is inside the 15 mv/m due to the high noise levels in this market. When I say that HD puts content off limits to potential listeners, I'm not referring to those listeners outside of a market. I'm talking about listeners inside the market who are not graced with a city grade signal. WLS, the classic example here, does not put 15mv/m into Lake County. But listenership is, or at least was, quite high in Lake County. But with IBOC rash now sizzling up and down the dial, WLS has been very difficult to capture cleanly. Or on some days, listen to at all. We're not talking about DXing...we're talking about local listening. That's been put off limits by IBOC rash, and yet, solutions have not been widely available. This is a typical problem. The CD started slow. The hardware was costly, so not many CDs put out. Slowly, the prices went down and the software increased. But no manufacturer is going to produce until most of America has HD stations. The difference being that the CD was an optional outlet to content, and that the same desirable content was still available through previous technology. If you didn't have a CD player, you didn't get LP's full of digital hash. That's my point, he With the current arrangement, I can't get the content of my choice--LOCAL content, not out of market content--because it's covered up with digital rash from offending stations testing HD. And the digital solution is not widely available for at least another month and a half. This after a year's worth of escalating HD interference. Leaving me, and much of Lake County to move to alternatives. That seems like it's pretty shortsighted thinking. Unless the goal is to blow off existing listeners before creating new radio content under HD. Why is it that the industry is so loathe to address that. So far, you've not addressed that issue, yourself, here. Which raises the spectre that I, and my neighbors, are just to be casualties of new technology. Worth little. Valued less. The fact that no one wants to address this indicates some mindsets that are exactly the reason corporations, and media corporations especially, have become so reviled by street level citizens. We don't matter. Our complaints, legitimate complaints now, are not only not addressed, but effectively stonewalled by the unwillingness to actually acknowledge that a problem exists. I have a colleague, who, when we all get together to speak of technical issues in our businesses, has only one answer when the subject of computers come up: get a Mac. It doesn't matter what the issue. The response is always the same: get a Mac. One particular gathering, the subject of a locked hard drive came up. One colleague's year's work was out of reach. And we were all discussing options for retrieving the data. In walks this clown and all he says is "Get a Mac." Well the one person who was trying to retrieve his work came over the table at this Bozo, and we were all pretty much in agreement... here was someone who had all the answers, but didn't bother to listen to the questions, and in a very high handed and dismissive tone, offered advice that failed to address the problem in an ongoing pattern. This is what's driving so many of this newsgroup to abuse in these discussions....the problems...the REAL problems associated with the implementation of AM-HD aren't being addressed, ie, interference with local stations. And questions about why we don't matter go largely unaddressed....in favor of data about contours vs ratings, and monetizable listeners. So, let me put it this way....WLS is strong in Lake County. Even though the signal is not 15mv/m. Lake County listenership is high, and WLS is a strong radio station, here. And yet, here, HD rash has been encroaching on WLS, to the degree that it's now sometimes virtually impossible to hear, much less enjoy....and this HD rash is coming from another radio station. You telling me this is acceptable? Even when WLS, itself is NOT transmitting HD and so no digital solution is available? (the C-Quam pilot is still lit and the station is still in stereo, even as of 00:30 UTC today. Why is no one addressing this? This is not DX. This is not skywave. It's LOCAL. And it's local interference. With all due respect, David...why can't you address THIS? And circumstances like it across the nation. Because they DO exist. We get that it's going to become a standard. We get that it uses 'unused interchannel bandwidth.' But there IS interference. And it IS LOCAL interference. Without an HD solution. It's interference that we can't avoid, and that we can't resolve. It's LP's full of digital noise and no CD players within miles. Is it just 'tough ****?' Is that why you don't address it? Because, if so, you're going to find that the mentality that allows the mindset that stonewall's real, valid, local listener's concerns is a mindset that will bring to market more contempt than embrace. And THAT, more than any other single factor, is what separates success from struggle and eventually, failure. And THAT is what has the historically even tempered members (Brenda Ann is a good example) of at least this newsgroup spitting and swearing at you like they'd just gotten a Language Development Grant from the Navy. And we've shared some light moments, on USENet in the past, but you're trying even MY patience. And I'm not your adversary. Doing nothing may not be an alternative, but it may be better than doing something that produces more immediate harm than potential long term good. All of us are gambling. But the fact that no major owner is selling AM shows a lot of faith in HD. There has to be a better way. But it would take FCC reversing themselves. And we all know how likely that would be. And that would take too long. Especially now that the inteference is here, it's real, and it's been publicly encountered. |
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D Peter Maus wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't news. But the fact remains. That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen outside of the city grade contour. But, until there are receivers out there... nobody is going to cange much in a succesful (still) format. The changes will come in second tier formats, I think... and in modifications of existing ones to broaden them. WGN has to change, as it is in a revenue death spin, and is hurting the Trib's stock price single handed. So, WGN is waiting for receivers to fall into listeners' hands before lowering their demo target? I don't think they know how to change the demos on that one. This may be an example of the casualties of very old leaning AMs. They will have to very much remake the station for it to work for anyone. Once sampled, if the audio quality is attractive but the content hasn't changed, there will likely not be a resampling. Leaving HD to benefit those who already listen and enjoy. I think once there are enough receivers, stations with very old profiles will make changes, even at the risk of losing the big 12+ numbers. WGN coiuld lose 60% of its audience, and yet not be any less salable today. They will probably survey the under 55 listeners to see what they like and focus there, killing the 55+ content. Master AM programmer Gabe Hobbs, while at WFLA, instructed the hosts to address the elderly as, "are you one of those blue haired old ladies from..." or "sir, would you put your dentures in so we can understand you?" This essentially blew away the oldedr crowd, and was perceived as amusing by the younger listeners who then felt the station was "theirs." WGN will eventually have to do that. WLS did something like that under Michael Packer. A memo was leaked to Bob Feder of the Sun-Times who hammered WLS for weeks about the displacement of the older listeners in favor of younger demos. The stink hit other media, and eventually, the strategy had to be rescinded. If Roe Conn called someone a blue hair today, there would be armed riots at 190 North. If you really want to blow off 55+, it's going to have to be done gracefully. Guys like Feder really don't get it. And are on a f*cking mission when they get their back up about things like this. But not providing anything more attractive than audio quality for those who generally do not. If audio quality were the only selling point to KEZK, it would still be Schulke. And WRTH would have never been 'Beautiful Music.' It's the content that attracted and held listeners to each. Granted this is in an era when FM still had novelty listening, but the point is, when the audience began to shift from AM to FM, it was the content on the stations of either band that changed to create viable audiences...audio quality was only a factor where content requiring audio quality was concerned. Music went to FM, where off main music formats and talk took over AM. {content stipulated. Disagree, but stipulated} Then, you're making my point for me. AM-HD is going to benefit only existing listeners. IN the meantime, trashing the band audibly as any potential listeners sample content only underscored that FM is a better option for them. Younger, or older. No, in our case, we are aiming at 35-44, and waiting for HD to start. None of the stations I have studied gets any real listening outside of its 5 mv/m signal area (and what there is is suspect... probably done in the car, etc) and most is inside the 10 mv/m. In LA, nearly all our listening is inside the 15 mv/m due to the high noise levels in this market. When I say that HD puts content off limits to potential listeners, I'm not referring to those listeners outside of a market. I'm talking about listeners inside the market who are not graced with a city grade signal. WLS, the classic example here, does not put 15mv/m into Lake County. But listenership is, or at least was, quite high in Lake County. But with IBOC rash now sizzling up and down the dial, WLS has been very difficult to capture cleanly. Or on some days, listen to at all. We're not talking about DXing...we're talking about local listening. That's been put off limits by IBOC rash, and yet, solutions have not been widely available. This is a typical problem. The CD started slow. The hardware was costly, so not many CDs put out. Slowly, the prices went down and the software increased. But no manufacturer is going to produce until most of America has HD stations. The difference being that the CD was an optional outlet to content, and that the same desirable content was still available through previous technology. If you didn't have a CD player, you didn't get LP's full of digital hash. That's my point, he With the current arrangement, I can't get the content of my choice--LOCAL content, not out of market content--because it's covered up with digital rash from offending stations testing HD. And the digital solution is not widely available for at least another month and a half. This after a year's worth of escalating HD interference. Leaving me, and much of Lake County to move to alternatives. That seems like it's pretty shortsighted thinking. Unless the goal is to blow off existing listeners before creating new radio content under HD. Why is it that the industry is so loathe to address that. So far, you've not addressed that issue, yourself, here. Which raises the spectre that I, and my neighbors, are just to be casualties of new technology. Worth little. Valued less. The fact that no one wants to address this indicates some mindsets that are exactly the reason corporations, and media corporations especially, have become so reviled by street level citizens. We don't matter. Our complaints, legitimate complaints now, are not only not addressed, but effectively stonewalled by the unwillingness to actually acknowledge that a problem exists. I have a colleague, who, when we all get together to speak of technical issues in our businesses, has only one answer when the subject of computers come up: get a Mac. It doesn't matter what the issue. The response is always the same: get a Mac. One particular gathering, the subject of a locked hard drive came up. One colleague's year's work was out of reach. And we were all discussing options for retrieving the data. In walks this clown and all he says is "Get a Mac." Well the one person who was trying to retrieve his work came over the table at this Bozo, and we were all pretty much in agreement... here was someone who had all the answers, but didn't bother to listen to the questions, and in a very high handed and dismissive tone, offered advice that failed to address the problem in an ongoing pattern. This is what's driving so many of this newsgroup to abuse in these discussions....the problems...the REAL problems associated with the implementation of AM-HD aren't being addressed, ie, interference with local stations. And questions about why we don't matter go largely unaddressed....in favor of data about contours vs ratings, and monetizable listeners. So, let me put it this way....WLS is strong in Lake County. Even though the signal is not 15mv/m. Lake County listenership is high, and WLS is a strong radio station, here. And yet, here, HD rash has been encroaching on WLS, to the degree that it's now sometimes virtually impossible to hear, much less enjoy....and this HD rash is coming from another radio station. You telling me this is acceptable? Even when WLS, itself is NOT transmitting HD and so no digital solution is available? (the C-Quam pilot is still lit and the station is still in stereo, even as of 00:30 UTC today. Why is no one addressing this? This is not DX. This is not skywave. It's LOCAL. And it's local interference. With all due respect, David...why can't you address THIS? Because he's a shill, plain and simple. You know this, I know this. He's been given something to sell, and by god he's gonna sell it to you, me, and everyone else, whether we like it or not. He's going to be a shill until the day he's put under. dxAce Michigan USA |
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You, on the other hand, are a simply a nutcase with a radio waiting for the VA to discover you ought to be kept under close watch in a facility. At least you are not a ham, or you would be transmitting your hatred, racism and bile. Don't forget that he's got a few thousand rounds of Chinese ammunition for his assault rifles. The VA will wait until it's too late to talk him down from the campus water tower. It's sad really...this lunacy could have easily been prevented from going that far. It's time to get mandatory sanity tests for militia members. mike |
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David Eduardo wrote: Listeners like you are not of any "value" to the local market. Since ratings show listening to stations by location, your listening to DX does not help the distant station... since your listening shows up in Grand Rapids, not in the home market to the station. At least he's not BUSTED!! I believe that you intended to send this comment to Cuhulin. JB |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: The fact that you are on this group means you are not an average listener. I don't see my being above average as important to this discussion. The average listener does not spend any time thinking about radio. It is just "there." AMBCB has good fidelity and so does FM. AMBCB is not stereo but I don't care as I listen to talk radio and news on that band. I don't spend much time with FM. Generally I listen to AMBCB, short wave, and spend time on the Internet for news. I don't think it is the sound as much as FM is in stereo. FM stereo was permitted in 1960, and it took 3 years to get to 100 stations. It had zero audience impact then. What made FM work was when the FCC madated the end to simulcasting, and suddenly a thousand or so new formats came on all over America, most with no commercials... in an era when AM had 18 minutes an hour on nearly every station. There are a number of AM stations playing music but I don't listen to them. There are news stations like KNS besides the talkers. Those that play music play standards or ethnic fare for the majority of cases. 65+ audience. Sorry, but you're still BUSTED. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Again with the problem of how AMBCB sounds. AMBCB sounds just fine. Even when music is available on FM, such as Mexico (loads of music stations still there) the younger audience does not listen. In fact, FM listening in Mexico is higher than that of the US! It is nearly all about quality of the sound, not the programming... because most Mexican cities have more viable AM signals than US cities do. Maybe it is just that FM is stereo. Most FM listening in the US is not stereo. Ok then what is the reason? The reason is not sound quality because it is OK for the program material. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: The fact that you are on this group means you are not an average listener. I don't see my being above average as important to this discussion. The average listener does not spend any time thinking about radio. It is just "there." Snip I think plenty of people think about AM radio. What about all the people that listen to talk radio? They don't think about it? What about all the people that look to AM radio for news and weather and traffic reports? Maybe this is an effort to kill talk radio where people can get the political right point of view. The leftists have TV, newspapers, and FM covered. It's only on AM band that Air America can't make it. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: Listeners like you are not of any "value" to the local market. Since ratings show listening to stations by location, your listening to DX does not help the distant station... since your listening shows up in Grand Rapids, not in the home market to the station. At least he's not BUSTED!! Whatever that means. Are you DX's sock puppet? You both post the same gibberish, with no content, no facts, no suggestions and no information. You just are here to insult others. At least DX had a brief exchange about Niger today. You don't apport anything. LOL! You're just mad because you got caught today with your hand in the cookie jar. Huh? No such thing. All you have done is typed "BUSTED" over and over. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' since c.2000 and shillmaster for HD/IBOC wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: Listeners like you are not of any "value" to the local market. Since ratings show listening to stations by location, your listening to DX does not help the distant station... since your listening shows up in Grand Rapids, not in the home market to the station. At least he's not BUSTED!! Whatever that means. Are you DX's sock puppet? You both post the same gibberish, with no content, no facts, no suggestions and no information. You just are here to insult others. At least DX had a brief exchange about Niger today. Yeah, and it beat all your IBOC crap, didn't it, Edweenie? So where is the other 'R-75'? You said you had two (2). Same place the first one is. Also have the remains of an R390, too. |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... The difference being that the CD was an optional outlet to content, and that the same desirable content was still available through previous technology. If you didn't have a CD player, you didn't get LP's full of digital hash. That's my point, he With the current arrangement, I can't get the content of my choice--LOCAL content, not out of market content--because it's covered up with digital rash from offending stations testing HD. And the digital solution is not widely available for at least another month and a half. This after a year's worth of escalating HD interference. We have seen nothing like this. We know where our diary mentions come from and the signal is inot impaired in areas where currently we have listeners. In fact, listening is up (50% increase in very little is still very little, though) since HD has been active. Leaving me, and much of Lake County to move to alternatives. That seems like it's pretty shortsighted thinking. Unless the goal is to blow off existing listeners before creating new radio content under HD. Why is it that the industry is so loathe to address that. So far, you've not addressed that issue, yourself, here. Which raises the spectre that I, and my neighbors, are just to be casualties of new technology. Worth little. Valued less. What are the specifics? Which stations are interfered with inside the metro. The fact that no one wants to address this indicates some mindsets that are exactly the reason corporations, and media corporations especially, have become so reviled by street level citizens. We don't matter. Our complaints, legitimate complaints now, are not only not addressed, but effectively stonewalled by the unwillingness to actually acknowledge that a problem exists. When we make any change, we spend a lot of time on the street listening. Other companies should do the same. This is what's driving so many of this newsgroup to abuse in these discussions....the problems...the REAL problems associated with the implementation of AM-HD aren't being addressed, ie, interference with local stations. And questions about why we don't matter go largely unaddressed....in favor of data about contours vs ratings, and monetizable listeners. The only think we are interested in today is listening inside our home metro. This comes, as I have metioned in posts to Mr. Dresser, as a direct consequence of the FCC policies for decades of encouraging local service by forcing local content, keeping power levels very low as national pollicy, and by not recognizing that most AMs have seen the market outgrow the signal. So, let me put it this way....WLS is strong in Lake County. Even though the signal is not 15mv/m. Lake County listenership is high, and WLS is a strong radio station, here. And yet, here, HD rash has been encroaching on WLS, to the degree that it's now sometimes virtually impossible to hear, much less enjoy....and this HD rash is coming from another radio station. You telling me this is acceptable? Even when WLS, itself is NOT transmitting HD and so no digital solution is available? (the C-Quam pilot is still lit and the station is still in stereo, even as of 00:30 UTC today. What station? I'm curious about this... Why is no one addressing this? This is not DX. This is not skywave. It's LOCAL. And it's local interference. With all due respect, David...why can't you address THIS? If you tell me the station, I can ask our local engineer, who is very strong on RF issues. from the Navy. And we've shared some light moments, on USENet in the past, but you're trying even MY patience. And I'm not your adversary. This is not an easy discussion, and the first step is accepting that AM will not exist in 10 years or less if something is not done. There is no other solution than HD. Either it works, or the band dies. Nobody is coming into the party, and the ones already there are undesirable to advertisers. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Because he's a shill, plain and simple. You know this, I know this. No, because I do not know the specifics on the interference to WLS. When Peter gives me them, I will have our Chicago DoE check, and meybe something interesting will come from this. He's been given something to sell, and by god he's gonna sell it to you, me, and everyone else, whether we like it or not. I have not been given anything to sell. However, I believe AM is dead unless HD works. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Again with the problem of how AMBCB sounds. AMBCB sounds just fine. Even when music is available on FM, such as Mexico (loads of music stations still there) the younger audience does not listen. In fact, FM listening in Mexico is higher than that of the US! It is nearly all about quality of the sound, not the programming... because most Mexican cities have more viable AM signals than US cities do. Maybe it is just that FM is stereo. Most FM listening in the US is not stereo. Ok then what is the reason? The reason is not sound quality because it is OK for the program material. FM in mono sounds better, even on a clock radio. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: The fact that you are on this group means you are not an average listener. I don't see my being above average as important to this discussion. The average listener does not spend any time thinking about radio. It is just "there." Snip I think plenty of people think about AM radio. What about all the people that listen to talk radio? They don't think about it? What about all the people that look to AM radio for news and weather and traffic reports? They think about the shows or the content, not about "radio" per se. Maybe this is an effort to kill talk radio where people can get the political right point of view. The leftists have TV, newspapers, and FM covered. It's only on AM band that Air America can't make it. That is a political question. |
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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' since c.2000 and impatiently waiting for AM radio's death notice wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Because he's a shill, plain and simple. You know this, I know this. No, because I do not know the specifics on the interference to WLS. When Peter gives me them, I will have our Chicago DoE check, and meybe something interesting will come from this. He's been given something to sell, and by god he's gonna sell it to you, me, and everyone else, whether we like it or not. I have not been given anything to sell. However, I believe AM is dead unless HD works. Stuff your panty hose in it, shill. |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message {content stipulated.} So, let me put it this way....WLS is strong in Lake County. Even though the signal is not 15mv/m. Lake County listenership is high, and WLS is a strong radio station, here. And yet, here, HD rash has been encroaching on WLS, to the degree that it's now sometimes virtually impossible to hear, much less enjoy....and this HD rash is coming from another radio station. You telling me this is acceptable? Even when WLS, itself is NOT transmitting HD and so no digital solution is available? (the C-Quam pilot is still lit and the station is still in stereo, even as of 00:30 UTC today. What station? I'm curious about this... I'm having trouble receiving WLS. The offending station, I'm not sure. I can't make out much due to the IBOC rash from there down. I'd be interested in what your engineer has to say. I can send you audio files of the AM band from my location, if you'd like. This is not an easy discussion, and the first step is accepting that AM will not exist in 10 years or less if something is not done. There is no other solution than HD. Either it works, or the band dies. Nobody is coming into the party, and the ones already there are undesirable to advertisers. If things were that dire, it would make sense to have a less intrusive/obtrusive implementation strategy. Disenfranchising local listening with digital noise on a band that's fighting for it's survival, is like everything that's been done to AM in the last 30 years: shortsighted, and ultimately, counterproductive. Taking your scenario one step further... if AM is truly on it's last, tentative legs, and AM stations of significant investment are in dire straits, and if the large companies are beginning to move AM stations to the FM band, where, say, in Chicago would stations like WBBM, WGN, WSCR, WLS go? There are no open allocations. And it's not like there are any allocations that would be worthy of sacrifice. And Young Talk was tried here. It failed dismally. (Ask Turi Ryder how many times she's been here.) Where would that content go? Where would Rush, Hannity, Levin, or even Franken, Rhodes, Springer and Malloy go? More to the point, if AM is over in 10 or less, and you're looking at a 5 year implementation, do you really think that there's a chance in less than 5 years remaining you can rebuild what you've lost? David, I certainly see how you've arrived at your conclusions, Radio being what it has always been and all...but what you're describing is a roll of the dice with far greater chance of crapping out than staying in the game. Almost entirely by serving the needs of advertisers and broadcasters over the needs of listeners who ultimately carry the water. And if Radio is really more about Radio than it is about the audience, is it any wonder why listenership and revenues are eroding in favor of alternative outlets? Non traditional outlets permitting mass customization vs traditional radio where answers to complaints are met with prepackaged corporate non responses, and listeners can be disenfranchised by a statistician in a locked room. Can you see now why I've turned down offers to return? |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Again with the problem of how AMBCB sounds. AMBCB sounds just fine. Even when music is available on FM, such as Mexico (loads of music stations still there) the younger audience does not listen. In fact, FM listening in Mexico is higher than that of the US! It is nearly all about quality of the sound, not the programming... because most Mexican cities have more viable AM signals than US cities do. Maybe it is just that FM is stereo. Most FM listening in the US is not stereo. Ok then what is the reason? The reason is not sound quality because it is OK for the program material. FM in mono sounds better, even on a clock radio. It does not sound better to me. FM has a little more of a high end response but that's about it. You sure as hell are not going to hear the difference on a clock radio. Like I said before AM sounds good. I don't see what the problem is with the sound quality. The quality can go down when you go out of the area but you won't consider that anyway because it is out of the market. I find weak signal FM more annoying than weak signal AM. FM gets a pretty loud background hiss on a weak signal when you turn up the volume. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: The fact that you are on this group means you are not an average listener. I don't see my being above average as important to this discussion. The average listener does not spend any time thinking about radio. It is just "there." Snip I think plenty of people think about AM radio. What about all the people that listen to talk radio? They don't think about it? What about all the people that look to AM radio for news and weather and traffic reports? They think about the shows or the content, not about "radio" per se. Well what do most people think then, that the voices are in their head? Of course they think about radio. They have to take the time to tune the stations in and program their favorites to memory. Maybe this is an effort to kill talk radio where people can get the political right point of view. The leftists have TV, newspapers, and FM covered. It's only on AM band that Air America can't make it. That is a political question. Yeah, and one to think about. Maybe this is a deliberate destruction of the AMBCB. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: The fact that you are on this group means you are not an average listener. I don't see my being above average as important to this discussion. The average listener does not spend any time thinking about radio. It is just "there." Snip I think plenty of people think about AM radio. What about all the people that listen to talk radio? They don't think about it? What about all the people that look to AM radio for news and weather and traffic reports? They think about the shows or the content, not about "radio" per se. Maybe this is an effort to kill talk radio where people can get the political right point of view. The leftists have TV, newspapers, and FM covered. It's only on AM band that Air America can't make it. That is a political question. Yes it is. Consequently, you'd better keep your mouth shut. You are BUSTED, after all. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' since c.2000 and shillmaster for HD/IBOC wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: Listeners like you are not of any "value" to the local market. Since ratings show listening to stations by location, your listening to DX does not help the distant station... since your listening shows up in Grand Rapids, not in the home market to the station. At least he's not BUSTED!! Whatever that means. Are you DX's sock puppet? You both post the same gibberish, with no content, no facts, no suggestions and no information. You just are here to insult others. At least DX had a brief exchange about Niger today. Yeah, and it beat all your IBOC crap, didn't it, Edweenie? So where is the other 'R-75'? You said you had two (2). Same place the first one is. Also have the remains of an R390, too. Doesn't matter what receivers you have. You're still BUSTED. |
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David Eduardo wrote: Irrelevant nonsense deleted. This is not an easy discussion, and the first step is accepting that AM will not exist in 10 years or less if something is not done. This is actually a very easy discussion, and the first step is accepting that you are BUSTED! |
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David Eduardo wrote: FM in mono sounds better, even on a clock radio. That's perfectly consistent with the fact that you're BUSTED. |
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Steve wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' since c.2000 and shillmaster for HD/IBOC wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: Listeners like you are not of any "value" to the local market. Since ratings show listening to stations by location, your listening to DX does not help the distant station... since your listening shows up in Grand Rapids, not in the home market to the station. At least he's not BUSTED!! Whatever that means. Are you DX's sock puppet? You both post the same gibberish, with no content, no facts, no suggestions and no information. You just are here to insult others. At least DX had a brief exchange about Niger today. Yeah, and it beat all your IBOC crap, didn't it, Edweenie? So where is the other 'R-75'? You said you had two (2). Same place the first one is. Also have the remains of an R390, too. Doesn't matter what receivers you have. You're still BUSTED. At least that one Drake didn't make it to the dumpster. |
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David Frackelton Gleason, the prancing shill who poses as 'Eduardo' wrote: [snip] This is not an easy discussion, and the first step is accepting that AM will not exist in 10 years or less if something is not done. How about you HD/IBOC hotdogs stand down, and we'll wait 10 years to see if AM still exists? I'd bet good ol' AM would still be around and operating. I know it'd be tough on you Edweenie, but I'm certain you could find something else to shill. dxAce Michigan USA |
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I need to stop biting my fingernails.(it's old habit since I was a young
cute little boy) How am I ever going to get my fingernails looking like a womans fingernails? cuhulin |
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Telamon,I think you are right about,deliberate destruction of AMBCB.In
my opinion,U.S.fed govt doesn't want us to listen to long distance AM Radio.I have mentioned something about that before many,many Moons ago in this very news group. cuhulin |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: FM in mono sounds better, even on a clock radio. It does not sound better to me. FM has a little more of a high end response but that's about it. You sure as hell are not going to hear the difference on a clock radio. Like I said before AM sounds good. I don't see what the problem is with the sound quality. The quality can go down when you go out of the area but you won't consider that anyway because it is out of the market. I find weak signal FM more annoying than weak signal AM. FM gets a pretty loud background hiss on a weak signal when you turn up the volume. Many efforts have been made, all across the US, to make AM attract younger demos via formats designed for 35-44, etc. The only one that has worked somewhat is sports, but all music attempts have failed miserably. The reason: AM does not sound as good. Listeners tell us this. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: The average listener does not spend any time thinking about radio. It is just "there." Snip I think plenty of people think about AM radio. What about all the people that listen to talk radio? They don't think about it? What about all the people that look to AM radio for news and weather and traffic reports? They think about the shows or the content, not about "radio" per se. Well what do most people think then, that the voices are in their head? Of course they think about radio. They have to take the time to tune the stations in and program their favorites to memory. People do not spend any time thinking about how radio works, why one band has some programs and why another has others, etc. They think only as far as the on and off switch and the presets. It is an appliance, free, and easy to change. Nobody, short of those on this group and similar ones, spend any time considering how radio works. In the case of AM, the only thing listeners under 45 think is that it sounds bad. Period. This is why the programming of WTOP in DC moved to FM, that of WNLS in Tallahassee moved to FM, of WTAR in Phoenix now going to simulcast on FM, KSL in Salt Lake doing the same thing... etc. These stations believe they have a viable format in, at least, 35-44, which they do not get, but believe they can get with the better sound quality of FM. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Frackelton Gleason, the prancing shill who poses as 'Eduardo' wrote: [snip] This is not an easy discussion, and the first step is accepting that AM will not exist in 10 years or less if something is not done. How about you HD/IBOC hotdogs stand down, and we'll wait 10 years to see if AM still exists? I'd bet good ol' AM would still be around and operating. It probably would. But, you are not getting the main issue: every 18 months, the average age of AM listeners increases by a year. That means that in another few years, most AM listeners will be over 55, and advertisers do not buy over 55 listenership. The stations may be around, but they will be losing money. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Frackelton Gleason, the prancing shill who poses as 'Eduardo' wrote: [snip] This is not an easy discussion, and the first step is accepting that AM will not exist in 10 years or less if something is not done. How about you HD/IBOC hotdogs stand down, and we'll wait 10 years to see if AM still exists? I'd bet good ol' AM would still be around and operating. It probably would. But, you are not getting the main issue: every 18 months, the average age of AM listeners increases by a year. That means that in another few years, most AM listeners will be over 55, and advertisers do not buy over 55 listenership. The stations may be around, but they will be losing money. You are not getting the main issue: You are BUSTED! |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... There ya go. A REAL compatible system, and it doesn't annihilate the adjacents, either. It's also just as likely to save AM as IBOC (moreso, imho), and there are already tens of thousands of radios already out there to receive it. In one word, this will not work: DIGITAL C-Quam was tried and failed in the mid 80's. Any system that does not come on the same chip as the FM digital system will also fail. Any system that is not digital will fail at the marketing stage. Oh, and David Eduardo... this should have some meaning to you.... En boca cerrada no entran moscas.. Irrelevant in this case. Right. All that's relevant is that you're BUSTED. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... D Peter Maus wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... What I'm seeing, is interest in HD-AM by users who are interested in AM content, and who regularly use AM anyway. But little or no interest in users who do not regularly use AM. Regardless of the audio quality....if there is no interest in the programming, there will be little interest in how good it may or may not sound. Viscious circle there... until there is an audio quality that under-45's can tolerate, there will be no programming. And as the clock ticks, the band dies. Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't news. But the fact remains. That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen outside of the city grade contour. I don't listen very much to WBBM, but on the occasions that I do, you are correct in that I have noted no change in their content. What I do notice without fail is that when they have their HD/IBOC up and running is the total annihilation of at least two adjacent channels. Such a wonderful system, it seems to me, will only force more listeners away from the MW bands. The potential to drive those of us who tune around at night (or currently during the daytime) looking for alternative voices from outside our 'local' market or 'area' off the band for good does not seem to be a productive use of this resource. If all HD does is "improve" the sound but not the programming, then there won't be much reason to move to it. If the programming is generic and formulaic (and the younger crowd has figured that out), then why listen? So you can hear the same stuff only with better sound? People will migrate to a new radio format if there's a promise of real change in what is being listened to, not the same stuff only sounding better. It's like purchasing a car. If the imports were simply as good as the Big Three, then no one would buy them except for non-practical reasons. However, the imports were made better than the Big Three's cars, and there then became a practical reason to buy one. Personal example: I own a Ford Contour, and in the first 5 years I owned it, it had a total of something like $3000 worth of repairs to it. That's repairs, not regular maintenance. By comparison, we also own a Toyota Sienna, which in the 5 years we've owned it we've had $0 worth of extraneous repairs to it. While the Contour cost less than either a similarly equipped Corolla or Camry, the extra money spent on repairs makes either car look less expensive by comparision. Especially since the Contour is now 10 years old, and has had about $5000 worth of repairs to it. The moral is that you have to be getting more in a practical sense for HD radio to be accepted by the masses. Just saying "it sounds better" won't do anything if that's the only thing that HD has going for it. --Mike L. |
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