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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Many comment that "AM sounds fine to me." We find that in talking
to listeners... the older the listener, the more tolerant of AM
LoFi they tend to be. This is because the band has no inherent
stigma, and these listeners grew up on the sound... as awful as it
is.

If it's that damn awful, **** for brains, then what the **** are
you doing HERE, boy.

I am telling what the future holds, whether it is your preferred
point of vie wor not.

If regular AM is that damn bad, then you must hate shortwave even
more.

I clearly stated I was relaying listener opoinions, not mine. I grew
up on both AM and DX and have no problems with fading and such.

I would imagine that many DXers have had this experience: you are in
your car and tuning the AM dial to see what unusual thing you can
get. The passenger or passengers quickly ask why you are listeing to
"that noise."

Snip

They are objecting to the noise between stations. Turn down the volume
during station changing or use the memory buttons programed to local
stations. What a revelation this must be to you.

They are objecting to listening to a station that is not crystal clear, with
fading and static, not to the tuning in of that station.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
Fung Gu Tu wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Obsessed!


You sure are obsessed!

You going over his resume with a fine-toothed comb, you damn near
memorized his web site, debating the hyphen (or lack thereof) in a
certain model radio (a hyphen? Who's the pedant, chump?), even ferreting
out his mother's obituary fer crissake!

Worst case of obsession I've ever seen--and YOU are the one obsessed!!!

The only thing more obsessive is an individual such as yourself that
comes up with a new handle because you are such a coward.

You mean DXace has a sock puppet that he can talk to? Interesting.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

They got no local ratings that they could sell. They changed to a format
that they could sell.

They think liberal left wing radio is going to sell? Then they are wrong.

It is profitable where it is on a half decent signal, like Miami, San Diego,
Portland, etc.

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Dont let them little twisty fits get you down.

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David Frackelton Gleason, prancing in Ciudad Juarez as 'Eduardo', the fake
Hispanic wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Fung Gu Tu wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Obsessed!


You sure are obsessed!

You going over his resume with a fine-toothed comb, you damn near
memorized his web site, debating the hyphen (or lack thereof) in a
certain model radio (a hyphen? Who's the pedant, chump?), even ferreting
out his mother's obituary fer crissake!

Worst case of obsession I've ever seen--and YOU are the one obsessed!!!

The only thing more obsessive is an individual such as yourself that
comes up with a new handle because you are such a coward.

You mean DXace has a sock puppet that he can talk to? Interesting.

Stuff a sock puppet in it, Edweenie!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

They got no local ratings that they could sell. They changed to a format
that they could sell.

They think liberal left wing radio is going to sell? Then they are wrong.

It is profitable where it is on a half decent signal, like Miami, San Diego,
Portland, etc.

And you are BUSTED everywhere.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Fung Gu Tu wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Obsessed!


You sure are obsessed!

You going over his resume with a fine-toothed comb, you damn near
memorized his web site, debating the hyphen (or lack thereof) in a
certain model radio (a hyphen? Who's the pedant, chump?), even ferreting
out his mother's obituary fer crissake!

Worst case of obsession I've ever seen--and YOU are the one obsessed!!!

The only thing more obsessive is an individual such as yourself that
comes up with a new handle because you are such a coward.

You mean DXace has a sock puppet that he can talk to? Interesting.

I suspect your sock puppet disowned you as soon as you were BUSTED!

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:
.

In the case of AM, the only thing listeners under 45 think is that it
sounds bad. Period.

Where do you get this? How does AM sound worse to these people than FM?

I "get that" by talking to listeners in person, or by having my staff do
that. AM is irrelevant due to sound quality. Under a certain age, you could
be giving away money and they would not listen because it is AM.


Odds are they can just tell that you're BUSTED.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Many comment that "AM sounds fine to me." We find that in talking
to listeners... the older the listener, the more tolerant of AM
LoFi they tend to be. This is because the band has no inherent
stigma, and these listeners grew up on the sound... as awful as it
is.

If it's that damn awful, **** for brains, then what the **** are
you doing HERE, boy.

I am telling what the future holds, whether it is your preferred
point of vie wor not.

If regular AM is that damn bad, then you must hate shortwave even
more.

I clearly stated I was relaying listener opoinions, not mine. I grew
up on both AM and DX and have no problems with fading and such.

I would imagine that many DXers have had this experience: you are in
your car and tuning the AM dial to see what unusual thing you can
get. The passenger or passengers quickly ask why you are listeing to
"that noise."

Snip

They are objecting to the noise between stations. Turn down the volume
during station changing or use the memory buttons programed to local
stations. What a revelation this must be to you.

They are objecting to listening to a station that is not crystal clear, with
fading and static, not to the tuning in of that station.

And they're objecting to you because you're BUSTED.

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Steve wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

They got no local ratings that they could sell. They changed to a format
that they could sell.

They think liberal left wing radio is going to sell? Then they are wrong.

It is profitable where it is on a half decent signal, like Miami, San Diego,
Portland, etc.

And you are BUSTED everywhere.

He's been busted in Miami...
And down San Diego way...
He's been busted in Portland...
....Busted USA

Apologies to whoever.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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Steve wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

They got no local ratings that they could sell. They changed to a format
that they could sell.

They think liberal left wing radio is going to sell? Then they are wrong.

It is profitable where it is on a half decent signal, like Miami, San Diego,
Portland, etc.

And you are BUSTED everywhere.

He's been busted in Miami...
And down San Diego way...
He's been busted in Portland...
And in Ecuador they say...
Edweenie's been busted... Busted USA...

Apologies to whoever.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

I'm on the road, thanks for asking. Lovely day in Cd. Juárez, Chih.


Oh, good. Bring me back some cheese, would you?

The goat cheese I had with breakfast was delicious.

Was this before or after you were BUSTED?

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Many comment that "AM sounds fine to me." We find that in talking
to listeners... the older the listener, the more tolerant of AM
LoFi they tend to be. This is because the band has no inherent
stigma, and these listeners grew up on the sound... as awful as it
is.

If it's that damn awful, **** for brains, then what the **** are
you doing HERE, boy.

I am telling what the future holds, whether it is your preferred
point of vie wor not.

If regular AM is that damn bad, then you must hate shortwave even
more.

I clearly stated I was relaying listener opoinions, not mine. I grew
up on both AM and DX and have no problems with fading and such.

I would imagine that many DXers have had this experience: you are in
your car and tuning the AM dial to see what unusual thing you can
get. The passenger or passengers quickly ask why you are listeing to
"that noise."

Snip

They are objecting to the noise between stations. Turn down the volume
during station changing or use the memory buttons programed to local
stations. What a revelation this must be to you.

They are objecting to listening to a station that is not crystal clear, with
fading and static, not to the tuning in of that station.

During the daytime fading and static are not a problem. Static is not a
problem at night either but fading is a night time problem for 60 mile
plus stations from LA, San diego and further but no problem on the local
stations.

See you want your cake and you want to eat it too. Day or night is not a
problem on the locals, which according to you are the only ones to be
considered. The only problem is distant stations at night, which have
any fading associated with them and they don't count now do they.

So their is no problem with the stations that count for noise, fading or
sound quality.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article . com,
"Steve" wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
..
.
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Many comment that "AM sounds fine to me." We find that in talking
to listeners... the older the listener, the more tolerant of AM
LoFi they tend to be. This is because the band has no inherent
stigma, and these listeners grew up on the sound... as awful as it
is.

If it's that damn awful, **** for brains, then what the **** are
you doing HERE, boy.

I am telling what the future holds, whether it is your preferred
point of vie wor not.

If regular AM is that damn bad, then you must hate shortwave even
more.

I clearly stated I was relaying listener opoinions, not mine. I grew
up on both AM and DX and have no problems with fading and such.

I would imagine that many DXers have had this experience: you are in
your car and tuning the AM dial to see what unusual thing you can
get. The passenger or passengers quickly ask why you are listeing to
"that noise."

Snip

They are objecting to the noise between stations. Turn down the volume
during station changing or use the memory buttons programed to local
stations. What a revelation this must be to you.

They are objecting to listening to a station that is not crystal clear,
with
fading and static, not to the tuning in of that station.

And they're objecting to you because you're BUSTED.

David seems to have a lot of good information but his reasoning is poor
as posted on this news group.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article ,
David Eduardo wrote:

It probably would. But, you are not getting the main issue: every 18 months,
the average age of AM listeners increases by a year. That means that in
another few years, most AM listeners will be over 55, and advertisers do not
buy over 55 listenership. The stations may be around, but they will be
losing money.

So, lobby Congress to set up a grant system so that local governments
can buy out the stations and set them up municipal information broadcasts
for homeland security and the like. Given what's on some of the stations
here, the local high school could do just as good a job programming them.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

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In article ,
David Eduardo wrote:

Many efforts have been made, all across the US, to make AM attract younger
demos via formats designed for 35-44, etc. The only one that has worked
somewhat is sports, but all music attempts have failed miserably. The
reason: AM does not sound as good. Listeners tell us this.

Well, the technical details of the stuff broadcast isn't that much
different. There's not going to be much content in the 9-15 kHz
frequencies in (what an old recording engineer who used to work at
A&M called) "that pop crap". He said that if they had problems cutting
a master disk, they just whacked off the high end until the cutter head
amps were happy, and none of the producers seemed to notice.

So it must be the current set of really crappy AM radios. Or the
processing that the stations (over)do.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

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"Mike" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Telamon wrote:

You can always stack the deck of possibilities in favor of an argument.

I thought I was just stating my opinion, along with the facts of the
climate where I live. No "deck stacking" here.

Lightning is not a problem for me because it does not happen very often
in southern California but I could see that being a problem in other
parts of the country. I expect that if the lightning storm was a
energetic one FM would also be affected.

Perhaps, but I'll take FM in a storm over AM any day.

FM does better in a office building because it is broadcast on a 100
times shorter wavelength that can penetrate the non-conductive openings
to where you are located inside the building.

Yes, I understand all of that.

Digital mode AM is not going to make a difference on a office building
penetration over analog.

Yes, I understand that also. That's why I'd rather see it move to FM
than to "digital AM".

FWIW, if radio stations really *are* serious about this "digital AM"
stuff, then they need some clever marketing to make it work. Call it
"ZM" or something - make people think it's something brand new.
"Digital AM" isn't going to cut it because it's stuck with the "AM" name.

It is being marketed as HD Radio, irrespective of the band.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Telamon wrote:

You can always stack the deck of possibilities in favor of an argument.

I thought I was just stating my opinion, along with the facts of the
climate where I live. No "deck stacking" here.

Lightning is not a problem for me because it does not happen very often
in southern California but I could see that being a problem in other
parts of the country. I expect that if the lightning storm was a
energetic one FM would also be affected.

Perhaps, but I'll take FM in a storm over AM any day.

FM does better in a office building because it is broadcast on a 100
times shorter wavelength that can penetrate the non-conductive openings
to where you are located inside the building.

Yes, I understand all of that.

Digital mode AM is not going to make a difference on a office building
penetration over analog.

Yes, I understand that also. That's why I'd rather see it move to FM
than to "digital AM".

FWIW, if radio stations really *are* serious about this "digital AM"
stuff, then they need some clever marketing to make it work. Call it
"ZM" or something - make people think it's something brand new.
"Digital AM" isn't going to cut it because it's stuck with the "AM" name.

It is being marketed as HD Radio, irrespective of the band.

And you are BUSTED, regardless of your aliases.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

Re-read, please. I said, "You are tuning the AM dial to see what
unusual thing you can get."

In other words, you find some distant station, like listening to KOA
in LA... a reasonable clear signal for a DXer, but horrible for a
non-DXer due to fading, static bursts, buzz every time you go under
power lines, etc.

Now wait a minute. Here I am doing my best for discussion purposes
buying into part of your theories on what is important in AMBCB and you
try to slog the discussion back to DXing. I'm not buying into debate
tactics.

In this case, I am discussing what is acceptable reception to some is not to
others. Those used to "the old days" of listening to out of market AMs at
night have a tolerance. the younger generations do not.

You made an real world listening situation comment and I, using your
own reasoning, dismissed it based on your own market rationalizations
on what stations I should be listening too. Using your reasoning the
local stations have strong signals that sounds good on the average
car radio and not sound noisy. The other people in the car would not
object to listening to local stations.

I was only saying that tuning to an "outside station" is acceptable to
traditional AM users. To all others, it is not.

I don't DX AM radio stations in the car. I listen to distant stations,
when they sound good, for the program material. I'm a program listener
not a DXer.

If it is way out of market and on skywave, I would argue that it is DX.
Distance = DX.

It makes no difference when listening to FM analog, FM digital, AM
analog, or AM digital if the signal is poor for any reason the average
person is not going to listen to it. Going digital or using a different
band are engineering exercises at solving different issues other than
just reception. Arguments to the contrary are nonsensical.

We may be saying the same thing. I agree here, entirely.

The changes to HD are not intended to improve reception. They are intended
to improve the perception of quality.

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David Frackelton Gleason, posing somewhere as 'Eduardo', fake Hispanic and paid
shill for Univision Radio/iBiquity wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Telamon wrote:

You can always stack the deck of possibilities in favor of an argument.

I thought I was just stating my opinion, along with the facts of the
climate where I live. No "deck stacking" here.

Lightning is not a problem for me because it does not happen very often
in southern California but I could see that being a problem in other
parts of the country. I expect that if the lightning storm was a
energetic one FM would also be affected.

Perhaps, but I'll take FM in a storm over AM any day.

FM does better in a office building because it is broadcast on a 100
times shorter wavelength that can penetrate the non-conductive openings
to where you are located inside the building.

Yes, I understand all of that.

Digital mode AM is not going to make a difference on a office building
penetration over analog.

Yes, I understand that also. That's why I'd rather see it move to FM
than to "digital AM".

FWIW, if radio stations really *are* serious about this "digital AM"
stuff, then they need some clever marketing to make it work. Call it
"ZM" or something - make people think it's something brand new.
"Digital AM" isn't going to cut it because it's stuck with the "AM" name.

It is being marketed as HD Radio, irrespective of the band.

Shilled, Edweenie?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

Re-read, please. I said, "You are tuning the AM dial to see what
unusual thing you can get."

In other words, you find some distant station, like listening to KOA
in LA... a reasonable clear signal for a DXer, but horrible for a
non-DXer due to fading, static bursts, buzz every time you go under
power lines, etc.

Now wait a minute. Here I am doing my best for discussion purposes
buying into part of your theories on what is important in AMBCB and you
try to slog the discussion back to DXing. I'm not buying into debate
tactics.

In this case, I am discussing what is acceptable reception to some is not to
others. Those used to "the old days" of listening to out of market AMs at
night have a tolerance. the younger generations do not.

You made an real world listening situation comment and I, using your
own reasoning, dismissed it based on your own market rationalizations
on what stations I should be listening too. Using your reasoning the
local stations have strong signals that sounds good on the average
car radio and not sound noisy. The other people in the car would not
object to listening to local stations.

I was only saying that tuning to an "outside station" is acceptable to
traditional AM users. To all others, it is not.

I don't DX AM radio stations in the car. I listen to distant stations,
when they sound good, for the program material. I'm a program listener
not a DXer.

If it is way out of market and on skywave, I would argue that it is DX.
Distance = DX.

It makes no difference when listening to FM analog, FM digital, AM
analog, or AM digital if the signal is poor for any reason the average
person is not going to listen to it. Going digital or using a different
band are engineering exercises at solving different issues other than
just reception. Arguments to the contrary are nonsensical.

We may be saying the same thing. I agree here, entirely.

The changes to HD are not intended to improve reception. They are intended
to improve the perception of quality.

Doesn't matter what you say. You're BUSTED.

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David Frackelton Gleason, prancing shill posing as 'Eduardo' wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

Re-read, please. I said, "You are tuning the AM dial to see what
unusual thing you can get."

In other words, you find some distant station, like listening to KOA
in LA... a reasonable clear signal for a DXer, but horrible for a
non-DXer due to fading, static bursts, buzz every time you go under
power lines, etc.

Now wait a minute. Here I am doing my best for discussion purposes
buying into part of your theories on what is important in AMBCB and you
try to slog the discussion back to DXing. I'm not buying into debate
tactics.

In this case, I am discussing what is acceptable reception to some is not to
others. Those used to "the old days" of listening to out of market AMs at
night have a tolerance. the younger generations do not.

You made an real world listening situation comment and I, using your
own reasoning, dismissed it based on your own market rationalizations
on what stations I should be listening too. Using your reasoning the
local stations have strong signals that sounds good on the average
car radio and not sound noisy. The other people in the car would not
object to listening to local stations.

I was only saying that tuning to an "outside station" is acceptable to
traditional AM users. To all others, it is not.

I don't DX AM radio stations in the car. I listen to distant stations,
when they sound good, for the program material. I'm a program listener
not a DXer.

If it is way out of market and on skywave, I would argue that it is DX.
Distance = DX.

IBOC = QRM

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...

IBOC blows. If you are going to make the change to digital split the
band and make half of it digital or better use a different band. If the
bean counting think goes with the "only good station is a local one"
based on an advertising model then pick a band that does not propagate
long distance while you are at it.

We were handed AM. We don't like the fact that it has skywave, which has not
been particularly helpful since TV took over evening entertainment.

The reason AM became outmoded is that the FCC itself could not decide
whether to allow regional or national coverage or to promote localism... so
they never allowed US AMs the amount of power needed to really be anything
but a local medium.... and licensed thousands of lower power stations that
only find that skywave creates interference that reduces coverage.

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In article ,
Mike wrote:

In article
,
Telamon wrote:

Yeah, an opinion based on "stacking the deck" to favor your opinion. You
set up a circumstance that was not a part of the discussion, which was
listening at home or in the car.

WTF are you talking about? Listening to AM in a car or at home - at
night - is definitely different from listening to AM in a car or at home
- during the day! Either sucks during a thunderstorm. FM is better
in all of these scenarios.

WTF indeed. Read the thread. Did I write day time and night time was the
same? Noooo.

Since you won't or can't I'll explain one last time for your greater
than average comprehension needs. The discussion was about home and car
AMBCB listening and you added listening in an office building. The
thread is about IBOC (read the subject line). I state that IBOC is not
an improvement and David thinks it is. We both write about scenarios
about listening in a car. Then you jump in sniping the thread about
listening in an office building. You were just introducing new thoughts
that were a little discontinuous to what was being discussed.

You were the one claiming that local AM had no problems at night!

Yes, I understand that also. That's why I'd rather see it move to FM
than to "digital AM".

Make it move? Make what move? I think the idea is to add channels or
streams while the current stations keep what they have maintaining the
status quo.

Where did I say "make it move". I said I'd rather see it move to FM
than to "digital AM", for all of the above reasons!

Reading is *so* fundamental.

You have a real comprehension problem about what you wrote so here you
go from a few lines above.

"That's why I'd rather see it move to FM than to "digital AM".

And now going back through the thread to see what you previously wrote
and sniped I see you mean the program material.

So basically you don't know how to snip appropriately either.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

IBOC blows. If you are going to make the change to digital split the
band and make half of it digital or better use a different band. If the
bean counting think goes with the "only good station is a local one"
based on an advertising model then pick a band that does not propagate
long distance while you are at it.

We were handed AM. We don't like the fact that it has skywave, which has not
been particularly helpful since TV took over evening entertainment.

The reason AM became outmoded is that the FCC itself could not decide
whether to allow regional or national coverage or to promote localism... so
they never allowed US AMs the amount of power needed to really be anything
but a local medium.... and licensed thousands of lower power stations that
only find that skywave creates interference that reduces coverage.

Ok then who is responsible for perpetuating the continued use of a band
that has long range propagation?

When things started out decades ago the night time long distance
propagation was desired, then at some point the FCC wanted the use of
the band to be local and changed rules to favor that. Now that it is
proposed to continue the local over distant usage AND going to a new
mode requires that everyone buy new receivers why not change the band to
a frequency range that does not favor distant propagation?

What is the point of making a mess of the current AM band? The status
quo could be maintained by giving the current AMBCB holders of licenses
first dibs on the new band.

There are all kinds of solutions out there. Former TV analog band space
could be used for radio or as a sub channel on digital over the air TV.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...

IBOC blows. If you are going to make the change to digital split the
band and make half of it digital or better use a different band. If the
bean counting think goes with the "only good station is a local one"
based on an advertising model then pick a band that does not propagate
long distance while you are at it.

We were handed AM.

You were handed your ass when you got BUSTED.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

IBOC blows. If you are going to make the change to digital split the
band and make half of it digital or better use a different band. If the
bean counting think goes with the "only good station is a local one"
based on an advertising model then pick a band that does not propagate
long distance while you are at it.

We were handed AM. We don't like the fact that it has skywave, which has
not
been particularly helpful since TV took over evening entertainment.

The reason AM became outmoded is that the FCC itself could not decide
whether to allow regional or national coverage or to promote localism...
so
they never allowed US AMs the amount of power needed to really be
anything
but a local medium.... and licensed thousands of lower power stations
that
only find that skywave creates interference that reduces coverage.

Ok then who is responsible for perpetuating the continued use of a band
that has long range propagation?

The FCC. Just the same reason why we never considered Eureka... the band is
in military service in the US. The same reason Long Wave is not used in the
US. And so on.

When things started out decades ago the night time long distance
propagation was desired, then at some point the FCC wanted the use of
the band to be local and changed rules to favor that.

Actually, if you peruse Broadcasting Magazine going back to the late 30's,
you find a couple of decades of indecision on the part of the FCC. When
there were few stations, when the bands were reallocated in around 1932, the
FCC established the clears because there were so few local stations yet.
Then, after the war, they doubled the AMs in 4 years, and kept postpoing the
upgrading of clears to 500 to 750 kw. Eventually, this became a written (via
administrative law) position of favoring localism over broad coverage. This
changed even FM, where power limits of 50 kw or 100 kw (by zone) were
imposed where up to 500 kw had been earlier authorized.

So, through the 70's, many, many local stations were authorized, FMs were
dropped in power caps, and only the 24 1 A clears survived, but at the low
power of 50 kw. By the end of the 70's, even the clears were broken down to
give new local servi ce, mostly in the west.

Now that it is
proposed to continue the local over distant usage AND going to a new
mode requires that everyone buy new receivers why not change the band to
a frequency range that does not favor distant propagation?

And what frequencies would you use? And that would obsolete existing radios,
which HD does not do.

What is the point of making a mess of the current AM band? The status
quo could be maintained by giving the current AMBCB holders of licenses
first dibs on the new band.

But, in the way the AM band is used today, it does not make as big a mess as
everyone complains. I have seen several recent RW articles in which skywave
is still defended as the reason why HD is not a good idea. These experts do
not understand that, starting with the FCC in the 40's, skywave is no longer
relevant.

There are all kinds of solutions out there. Former TV analog band space
could be used for radio or as a sub channel on digital over the air TV.

The TV band is going to be auctioned off for new technologies and the FCC
plans to bring in billions. Giving licenses for new "AM swaps" in Bemidji
will not come anywhere close to that, so it will not happen.

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David Eduardo wrote:

Irrelevant twaddle deleted.

You are so BUSTED!!

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"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

Irrelevant twaddle deleted.

You are so BUSTED!!

What is "twaddle?"

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
.
..

IBOC blows. If you are going to make the change to digital split the
band and make half of it digital or better use a different band. If the
bean counting think goes with the "only good station is a local one"
based on an advertising model then pick a band that does not propagate
long distance while you are at it.

We were handed AM. We don't like the fact that it has skywave, which has
not
been particularly helpful since TV took over evening entertainment.

The reason AM became outmoded is that the FCC itself could not decide
whether to allow regional or national coverage or to promote localism...
so
they never allowed US AMs the amount of power needed to really be
anything
but a local medium.... and licensed thousands of lower power stations
that
only find that skywave creates interference that reduces coverage.

Ok then who is responsible for perpetuating the continued use of a band
that has long range propagation?

The FCC. Just the same reason why we never considered Eureka... the band is
in military service in the US. The same reason Long Wave is not used in the
US. And so on.

When things started out decades ago the night time long distance
propagation was desired, then at some point the FCC wanted the use of
the band to be local and changed rules to favor that.

Actually, if you peruse Broadcasting Magazine going back to the late 30's,
you find a couple of decades of indecision on the part of the FCC. When
there were few stations, when the bands were reallocated in around 1932, the
FCC established the clears because there were so few local stations yet.
Then, after the war, they doubled the AMs in 4 years, and kept postpoing the
upgrading of clears to 500 to 750 kw. Eventually, this became a written (via
administrative law) position of favoring localism over broad coverage. This
changed even FM, where power limits of 50 kw or 100 kw (by zone) were
imposed where up to 500 kw had been earlier authorized.

So, through the 70's, many, many local stations were authorized, FMs were
dropped in power caps, and only the 24 1 A clears survived, but at the low
power of 50 kw. By the end of the 70's, even the clears were broken down to
give new local servi ce, mostly in the west.

Now that it is
proposed to continue the local over distant usage AND going to a new
mode requires that everyone buy new receivers why not change the band to
a frequency range that does not favor distant propagation?

And what frequencies would you use? And that would obsolete existing radios,
which HD does not do.

What is the point of making a mess of the current AM band? The status
quo could be maintained by giving the current AMBCB holders of licenses
first dibs on the new band.

But, in the way the AM band is used today, it does not make as big a mess as
everyone complains. I have seen several recent RW articles in which skywave
is still defended as the reason why HD is not a good idea. These experts do
not understand that, starting with the FCC in the 40's, skywave is no longer
relevant.

There are all kinds of solutions out there. Former TV analog band space
could be used for radio or as a sub channel on digital over the air TV.

The TV band is going to be auctioned off for new technologies and the FCC
plans to bring in billions. Giving licenses for new "AM swaps" in Bemidji
will not come anywhere close to that, so it will not happen.

Further above you asked what frequencies would I use and the last
paragraph I previously wrote answers that. I don't see why some of the
old TV band could not be used for a new commercial digital radio band
that normally would not propagate out of the local area. Antennas would
be smaller like the current FM band.

The hybrid IBOC is temporary and the analog will portion will be done
away with anyway so existing radios will be obsoleted.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as Edtardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

Irrelevant twaddle deleted.

You are so BUSTED!!

What is "twaddle?"

Baloney: pretentious or silly talk or writing.

You know... what YOU do, oh shiller of IBOC/QRM

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

Irrelevant twaddle deleted.

You are so BUSTED!!

What is "twaddle?"

As BUSTED as you are, you shouldn't even concern yourself.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
..

The TV band is going to be auctioned off for new technologies and the FCC
plans to bring in billions. Giving licenses for new "AM swaps" in Bemidji
will not come anywhere close to that, so it will not happen.

Further above you asked what frequencies would I use and the last
paragraph I previously wrote answers that. I don't see why some of the
old TV band could not be used for a new commercial digital radio band
that normally would not propagate out of the local area. Antennas would
be smaller like the current FM band.

The FCC is not going to give up multi-billion dollar frequencies for a few
dollars. They already have a plan and demand for the TV channels, and this
is pretty much set in cement.

The hybrid IBOC is temporary and the analog will portion will be done
away with anyway so existing radios will be obsoleted.

Probably not for a decade, if that. There is no sunset law on it going all
digital... unlike HDTV.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
.

The TV band is going to be auctioned off for new technologies and the FCC
plans to bring in billions. Giving licenses for new "AM swaps" in Bemidji
will not come anywhere close to that, so it will not happen.

Further above you asked what frequencies would I use and the last
paragraph I previously wrote answers that. I don't see why some of the
old TV band could not be used for a new commercial digital radio band
that normally would not propagate out of the local area. Antennas would
be smaller like the current FM band.

The FCC is not going to give up multi-billion dollar frequencies for a few
dollars. They already have a plan and demand for the TV channels, and this
is pretty much set in cement.

The hybrid IBOC is temporary and the analog will portion will be done
away with anyway so existing radios will be obsoleted.

Probably not for a decade, if that. There is no sunset law on it going all
digital... unlike HDTV.

None of this matters. You're BUSTED.

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In article ,
Mike wrote:

In article
,
Telamon wrote:

WTF indeed. Read the thread. Did I write day time and night time was the
same? Noooo.

Wow you are an asshole.

I know what the thread is about. I know the objections to IBOC. If
you read what I actually wrote - not what you think I wrote - you would
see that I was ACTUALLY AGREEING WITH YOU! I would rather see current
AM programming go to FM rather than **** up AM with "digital"!

Do you get it yet?


"That's why I'd rather see it move to FM than to "digital AM".

Yes, that's exactly it. Given a choice of ****ing up AM or moving to
FM, I vote for the latter.

You pompous, presumptuous ****. Have a good life, dip****.

Same to you.

Plonk

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. com...

::history lesson snipped::

Now that it is
proposed to continue the local over distant usage AND going to a
new
mode requires that everyone buy new receivers why not change the
band to
a frequency range that does not favor distant propagation?

And what frequencies would you use? And that would obsolete existing
radios,
which HD does not do.

No it wouldn't; you've stated yourself that there's
no movement to replace the analog streams with
digital, but rather it's an addition to the current
service.

What is the point of making a mess of the current AM band? The
status
quo could be maintained by giving the current AMBCB holders of
licenses
first dibs on the new band.

But, in the way the AM band is used today, it does not make as big a
mess as
everyone complains. I have seen several recent RW articles in which
skywave
is still defended as the reason why HD is not a good idea. These
experts do
not understand that, starting with the FCC in the 40's, skywave is
no longer
relevant.

There are all kinds of solutions out there. Former TV analog band
space
could be used for radio or as a sub channel on digital over the
air TV.

The TV band is going to be auctioned off for new technologies and
the FCC
plans to bring in billions. Giving licenses for new "AM swaps" in
Bemidji
will not come anywhere close to that, so it will not happen.

I'm still waiting on that one happening. There are still
plenty of people out there who haven't bought their
new digital TV yet, technological improvement or not.

No Congressman wants to be seen as blowing off a
big constituency like the elderly on a fixed income
who can't afford the new sets; Congress will keep
extending the deadline until enough old televisions
have died off to make it practical.

Aside from that, the way other prices have been rising
lately I don't think that people will be putting a digital
converter or a digital television at the top of their "to
purchase" list anytime soon.

--Mike L.

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"Michael Lawson" wrote in message
...
..

I'm still waiting on that one happening. There are still
plenty of people out there who haven't bought their
new digital TV yet, technological improvement or not.

No Congressman wants to be seen as blowing off a
big constituency like the elderly on a fixed income
who can't afford the new sets; Congress will keep
extending the deadline until enough old televisions
have died off to make it practical.

Aside from that, the way other prices have been rising
lately I don't think that people will be putting a digital
converter or a digital television at the top of their "to
purchase" list anytime soon.


They have developed a plan to provide digital cable converters to anyone for
free. Makes old sets totally usable via downconversion of digital to analog.

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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.com...

"Michael Lawson" wrote in message
...
.

I'm still waiting on that one happening. There are still
plenty of people out there who haven't bought their
new digital TV yet, technological improvement or not.

No Congressman wants to be seen as blowing off a
big constituency like the elderly on a fixed income
who can't afford the new sets; Congress will keep
extending the deadline until enough old televisions
have died off to make it practical.

Aside from that, the way other prices have been rising
lately I don't think that people will be putting a digital
converter or a digital television at the top of their "to
purchase" list anytime soon.


They have developed a plan to provide digital cable converters to
anyone for
free. Makes old sets totally usable via downconversion of digital to
analog.

That'll be interesting, but they have to fund it and
advertise it first. I can't see the big box stores being
too thrilled about it, either, since it means that the
people who might consider upgrading their television
now will wait for the freebie.

--Mike L.

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"Michael Lawson" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.com...

"Michael Lawson" wrote in message
...
.

I'm still waiting on that one happening. There are still
plenty of people out there who haven't bought their
new digital TV yet, technological improvement or not.

No Congressman wants to be seen as blowing off a
big constituency like the elderly on a fixed income
who can't afford the new sets; Congress will keep
extending the deadline until enough old televisions
have died off to make it practical.

Aside from that, the way other prices have been rising
lately I don't think that people will be putting a digital
converter or a digital television at the top of their "to
purchase" list anytime soon.


They have developed a plan to provide digital cable converters to
anyone for
free. Makes old sets totally usable via downconversion of digital to
analog.

That'll be interesting, but they have to fund it and
advertise it first. I can't see the big box stores being
too thrilled about it, either, since it means that the
people who might consider upgrading their television
now will wait for the freebie.

It is federally funded. The government needs the revenue from the vacated
spectrum.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Michael Lawson" wrote in message
...
.

I'm still waiting on that one happening. There are still
plenty of people out there who haven't bought their
new digital TV yet, technological improvement or not.

No Congressman wants to be seen as blowing off a
big constituency like the elderly on a fixed income
who can't afford the new sets; Congress will keep
extending the deadline until enough old televisions
have died off to make it practical.

Aside from that, the way other prices have been rising
lately I don't think that people will be putting a digital
converter or a digital television at the top of their "to
purchase" list anytime soon.


They have developed a plan to provide digital cable converters to anyone for
free. Makes old sets totally usable via downconversion of digital to analog.

Doesn't matter. You're BUSTED!