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"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? It's a second given name. It does not help my professional activities, and it was given to me decades ago. This is a mind fart of DXass. |
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"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Again with the problem of how AMBCB sounds. AMBCB sounds just fine. Even when music is available on FM, such as Mexico (loads of music stations still there) the younger audience does not listen. In fact, FM listening in Mexico is higher than that of the US! It is nearly all about quality of the sound, not the programming... because most Mexican cities have more viable AM signals than US cities do. Yes, but why do you keep ducking the issue about your name? .... because I have been over it with DXass over and over again. Eduardo is my baptismal given name. Like adding "Bob" to "Billy." Pretty simple. I post with my first names, just as you post with your first name. The difference is that we have no idea who you are, and I do not hide my full identity. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... What I do notice without fail is that when they have their HD/IBOC up and running is the total annihilation of at least two adjacent channels. That no ratings or revenue can be derived from, and outside the local service area of all stations ocncerned. Such a wonderful system, it seems to me, will only force more listeners away from the MW bands. The only useful listeners to the business model are in the metro areas. Or primary service areas of rural stations. The potential to drive those of us who tune around at night (or currently during the daytime) looking for alternative voices from outside our 'local' market or 'area' off the band for good does not seem to be a productive use of this resource. Listeners like you are not of any "value" to the local market. Since ratings show listening to stations by location, your listening to DX does not help the distant station... since your listening shows up in Grand Rapids, not in the home market to the station. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? It's true! Right about that time he ceased being David_Gleason and became David Eduardo on the net. Ah, it is all about the net! Wow, that is significant. Now he claims to have been baptized 'Eduardo' in 1947, up in Cleveland, Ohio. He was born David Frackelton Gleason in 1946. It is even on my drivers licences. At school, it was amusing to have "DEFG" as initials, a pure alphabet sequence. One wonders why, when he spent so much time in Mexico, Ecuador, San Juan, etc., he did not use the 'Eduardo' shtick at that time? He had business cards printed, signed letters to listeners, was on HCJB, had his name in radio publications, both professional and hobby (most often appearing as David Gleason and at times as David F. Gleason) and NEVER once does the name 'Eduardo' ever come up. I did not care for the very long name much in earlier times. I simply decided it was neat for the web, and now I use it frequently elsewhere. As I said, always been on my personal documents. What difference does it make? If one looks at his resume page, one very telling item is his mothers death notice which appears to be dated 1997 which lists her survivors as: Carolyn G. Oberndorf, David Gleason, H. Lansing Vail, Thomas V. H. Vail, Jane Vaughn and Stanton K. Gleason. Wonder why David didn't at least get an F. tossed in there, let alone an E. F.? At least his stepbrother got the V. H. put in. The V.H. is for "Van Heusen" which is a single name. And who knows how reporters do obituaries (it is not called a "death notice, you fool). They don't give the proof to the heirs to check (even if Tom Vail was the publisher of the paper at the time). My sister's name should be Caroline C. G. Oberndorg, too... so what? Bottom line, he certainly is a Frackelton, but he sure as hell isn't an 'Eduardo', at least until right around the year 2000 when he adopted that shtick, apparently right around the time he discovered that he could check off a box on the Census form and become an instant Hispanic. Actually, again, as I have told you, in the 1990 Census in Puerto Rico, the census takers filled out the race and Hispanic questions themselves based on observation, as most forms were done door to door there. So I never filled in anything. The Hispanic question has been on every Census questionnaire since 1980, by the way. |
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"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Hmmm. That is interesting. I also noticed that in 2004 in San Diego he participated in a panel discussion about the future of radio as "David Gleason". A link is he All the participants were listed by the simple form of thier name. He's obviously got some kind of scam going. How so? I have 4 names. Two first names, a middle name which is also my maternal surname, and a last n ame, which is my paternal surname. Simple. |
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"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's also interesting that, on his website, Tardo represents himself as "Executive Vice President of Univision Radio's research and programming division". However, if you look at the page promoting the NAB conference in San Diego in 2004 http://tinyurl.com/rzgea he's "president of programming at Univision Radio". Either Tardo was demoted since 2004 or he isn't able to keep his story straight. Interesting. NAB made a mistake. So what? At the time, I was VP Programming. Now I am EVP. Simple. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Oh yeah, he has indicated to me that he currently has a Drake R8B and two R75's. So I wonder if he ever actually disposed of the Drake, or whether that was yet more of Edweenies BS? I gave away the Drake I had in LA, keeping the Ten Tec in Prescott and the R-75 in the Desert. I added a newer R8B later, as I got the bug for DXing Mexican AMs again. I also gave away an NRD 525 to an NRC member who was retired and needed a good radio. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? It's true! Right about that time he ceased being David_Gleason and became David Eduardo on the net. Ah, it is all about the net! Wow, that is significant. Now he claims to have been baptized 'Eduardo' in 1947, up in Cleveland, Ohio. He was born David Frackelton Gleason in 1946. It is even on my drivers licences. At school, it was amusing to have "DEFG" as initials, a pure alphabet sequence. One wonders why, when he spent so much time in Mexico, Ecuador, San Juan, etc., he did not use the 'Eduardo' shtick at that time? He had business cards printed, signed letters to listeners, was on HCJB, had his name in radio publications, both professional and hobby (most often appearing as David Gleason and at times as David F. Gleason) and NEVER once does the name 'Eduardo' ever come up. I did not care for the very long name much in earlier times. I simply decided it was neat for the web, and now I use it frequently elsewhere. As I said, always been on my personal documents. What difference does it make? If one looks at his resume page, one very telling item is his mothers death notice which appears to be dated 1997 which lists her survivors as: Carolyn G. Oberndorf, David Gleason, H. Lansing Vail, Thomas V. H. Vail, Jane Vaughn and Stanton K. Gleason. Wonder why David didn't at least get an F. tossed in there, let alone an E. F.? At least his stepbrother got the V. H. put in. The V.H. is for "Van Heusen" which is a single name. And who knows how reporters do obituaries (it is not called a "death notice, you fool). They don't give the proof to the heirs to check (even if Tom Vail was the publisher of the paper at the time). My sister's name should be Caroline C. G. Oberndorg, too... so what? Bottom line, he certainly is a Frackelton, but he sure as hell isn't an 'Eduardo', at least until right around the year 2000 when he adopted that shtick, apparently right around the time he discovered that he could check off a box on the Census form and become an instant Hispanic. Actually, again, as I have told you, in the 1990 Census in Puerto Rico, the census takers filled out the race and Hispanic questions themselves based on observation, as most forms were done door to door there. So I never filled in anything. The Hispanic question has been on every Census questionnaire since 1980, by the way. Yada, yada. The BS goes on and on. LMFAO dxAce Michigan USA |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Oh yeah, he has indicated to me that he currently has a Drake R8B and two R75's. So I wonder if he ever actually disposed of the Drake, or whether that was yet more of Edweenies BS? I gave away the Drake I had in LA, keeping the Ten Tec in Prescott and the R-75 in the Desert. I added a newer R8B later, as I got the bug for DXing Mexican AMs again. I also gave away an NRD 525 to an NRC member who was retired and needed a good radio. The only 'bug' you've got Edweenie is the one up your prancing ass regarding HD/IBOC. Frickin shill. dxAce Michigan USA |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Oh yeah, he has indicated to me that he currently has a Drake R8B and two R75's. So I wonder if he ever actually disposed of the Drake, or whether that was yet more of Edweenies BS? I gave away the Drake I had in LA, keeping the Ten Tec in Prescott and the R-75 in the Desert. I added a newer R8B later, as I got the bug for DXing Mexican AMs again. I also gave away an NRD 525 to an NRC member who was retired and needed a good radio. The only thing you ever gave away is your integrity, assuming you ever had any. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's also interesting that, on his website, Tardo represents himself as "Executive Vice President of Univision Radio's research and programming division". However, if you look at the page promoting the NAB conference in San Diego in 2004 http://tinyurl.com/rzgea he's "president of programming at Univision Radio". Either Tardo was demoted since 2004 or he isn't able to keep his story straight. Interesting. NAB made a mistake. So what? At the time, I was VP Programming. Now I am EVP. Simple. Sure it is....sure. NAB didn't make a mistake. You made a mistake by getting caught in another lie. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Oh yeah, he has indicated to me that he currently has a Drake R8B and two R75's. So I wonder if he ever actually disposed of the Drake, or whether that was yet more of Edweenies BS? I gave away the Drake I had in LA, keeping the Ten Tec in Prescott and the R-75 in the Desert. I added a newer R8B later, as I got the bug for DXing Mexican AMs again. I also gave away an NRD 525 to an NRC member who was retired and needed a good radio. Hey, I'm retired and I need another good radio or two. Why don't you send me that R8B and the Ten-Tec? After all, you don't use them very much. dxAce Michigan USA |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? It's true! Right about that time he ceased being David_Gleason and became David Eduardo on the net. Ah, it is all about the net! Wow, that is significant. Now he claims to have been baptized 'Eduardo' in 1947, up in Cleveland, Ohio. He was born David Frackelton Gleason in 1946. It is even on my drivers licences. At school, it was amusing to have "DEFG" as initials, a pure alphabet sequence. Yeah, that's really amusing. I'm busting a gut over it right now. One wonders why, when he spent so much time in Mexico, Ecuador, San Juan, etc., he did not use the 'Eduardo' shtick at that time? He had business cards printed, signed letters to listeners, was on HCJB, had his name in radio publications, both professional and hobby (most often appearing as David Gleason and at times as David F. Gleason) and NEVER once does the name 'Eduardo' ever come up. I did not care for the very long name much in earlier times. I simply decided it was neat for the web, and now I use it frequently elsewhere. As I said, always been on my personal documents. Yeah, people do sometimes just 'decide' that it's time to use a different name. They usually 'decide' this when they're up to something and want to deceive others about who they are. What difference does it make? You tell us. You're the one who is doing it. If one looks at his resume page, one very telling item is his mothers death notice which appears to be dated 1997 which lists her survivors as: Carolyn G. Oberndorf, David Gleason, H. Lansing Vail, Thomas V. H. Vail, Jane Vaughn and Stanton K. Gleason. Wonder why David didn't at least get an F. tossed in there, let alone an E. F.? At least his stepbrother got the V. H. put in. The V.H. is for "Van Heusen" which is a single name. And who knows how reporters do obituaries (it is not called a "death notice, you fool). They don't give the proof to the heirs to check (even if Tom Vail was the publisher of the paper at the time). My sister's name should be Caroline C. G. Oberndorg, too... so what? Bottom line, he certainly is a Frackelton, but he sure as hell isn't an 'Eduardo', at least until right around the year 2000 when he adopted that shtick, apparently right around the time he discovered that he could check off a box on the Census form and become an instant Hispanic. Actually, again, as I have told you, in the 1990 Census in Puerto Rico, the census takers filled out the race and Hispanic questions themselves based on observation, as most forms were done door to door there. So I never filled in anything. The Hispanic question has been on every Census questionnaire since 1980, by the way. Make all the excuses you like. You are totally BUSTED! |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Again with the problem of how AMBCB sounds. AMBCB sounds just fine. Even when music is available on FM, such as Mexico (loads of music stations still there) the younger audience does not listen. In fact, FM listening in Mexico is higher than that of the US! It is nearly all about quality of the sound, not the programming... because most Mexican cities have more viable AM signals than US cities do. Yes, but why do you keep ducking the issue about your name? ... because I have been over it with DXass over and over again. Eduardo is my baptismal given name. Like adding "Bob" to "Billy." Pretty simple. I post with my first names, just as you post with your first name. The difference is that we have no idea who you are, and I do not hide my full identity. BUSTED!! |
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Steve wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's also interesting that, on his website, Tardo represents himself as "Executive Vice President of Univision Radio's research and programming division". However, if you look at the page promoting the NAB conference in San Diego in 2004 http://tinyurl.com/rzgea he's "president of programming at Univision Radio". Either Tardo was demoted since 2004 or he isn't able to keep his story straight. Interesting. NAB made a mistake. So what? At the time, I was VP Programming. Now I am EVP. Simple. Sure it is....sure. NAB didn't make a mistake. You made a mistake by getting caught in another lie. As I've said before, it's always somebody else making mistakes, somebody else confusing dates, etc., etc., etc. with Edfraudo. dxAce Michigan USA |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Oh yeah, he has indicated to me that he currently has a Drake R8B and two R75's. So I wonder if he ever actually disposed of the Drake, or whether that was yet more of Edweenies BS? I gave away the Drake I had in LA, keeping the Ten Tec in Prescott and the R-75 in the Desert. I added a newer R8B later, as I got the bug for DXing Mexican AMs again. I also gave away an NRD 525 to an NRC member who was retired and needed a good radio. So where is the other 'R-75'? You said you had two (2). dxAce Michigan USA |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... David Eduardo wrote: Is it true that you only started using "Eduardo" in 2000? How does this use of this name promote your business? It's a second given name. It does not help my professional activities, and it was given to me decades ago. This is a mind fart of DXass. BUSTED!! Call it a mind fart if you like. You're the one who's trapped in the elevator with it! LOL! |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Since HD does not interfere with existing AM listening in analog, try explaining this one, too. Sure it does, Edweenie! It DESTROYS the two adjacent channels, you blubbering nitwit! It does not destroy anything that is commonly being used. Therefore, if the bandwidth can be used productively for something else, there is no loss. |
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"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message s.com... David Eduardo wrote: Huh? We are trying to preserve the value of tens of billions of dollars worth of AM stations by keeping them viable for longer. The truth is more along the lines of "We are trying to make a quick buck while the opportunity still exists." There is no way to make a quick buck in radio. If you know how, please illuminate us. Otherwise, do what you keep telling me to do: stuff it. Your defense for soing nothing is based on a total lack of facts, no alternate plan, no alternatives. You just criticize what is being done, yet have no suggestions... just invective. That's more than you have, Sunshine. As I suspected. You have no solution, just criticism of those who are willing to try something, anything, to save AM. Since HD does not interfere with existing AM listening in analog, try explaining this one, too. It does interfere with existing AM listening, nutsack. Maybe you should actually turn on a radio one of these days. You've apparently never heard one. It does not interfere with anythjing that is bieng listened to by a measurable segment of the population. If a supermarket puts licorice flavored ocoffee on the shelves, but it only moves 2 jars a month, they will use that shelf space for something more people come to buy. .. The losers: an tiny handful of DXers on AM, and a very few listeners to distant signals. The DXers will adapt (just as they did to 24/7 schedules in the 50's and 60's) and the distant "regulars" will have to go to satellite, streaming, etc. A tiny handful of people who appear to have you worried enough to keep coming back to this group again and again and again. You sure seem preoccupied with this unimportant group. Nope. It is just an interesting debate. HD is already on the air on 1000 stations, and another 1000 will come this next year. Nothing is stopping HD. The real issue now is whether any thing, HD included, can save AM. |
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"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's a gamble... but doing nothing is not an alternative. If this is the best you can come up with, I suggest you read up on how to put satellites into orbit. That is an even worse business model. There is some doubt that satellite will be profitable before WiMax makes it obsolete, with better reception in the long run... especially in home and at work, where satellite is a frail contender. |
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"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's also interesting that, on his website, Tardo represents himself as "Executive Vice President of Univision Radio's research and programming division". However, if you look at the page promoting the NAB conference in San Diego in 2004 http://tinyurl.com/rzgea he's "president of programming at Univision Radio". Either Tardo was demoted since 2004 or he isn't able to keep his story straight. Interesting. NAB made a mistake. So what? At the time, I was VP Programming. Now I am EVP. Simple. Sure it is....sure. NAB didn't make a mistake. You made a mistake by getting caught in another lie. Each company has only one President. Nobody has a "President of Programming. " None. It was simply an error. The NAB program each year has dozens of similar inoffensive errors, like wrong titles or misspelled names or wrong call letters. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Oh yeah, he has indicated to me that he currently has a Drake R8B and two R75's. So I wonder if he ever actually disposed of the Drake, or whether that was yet more of Edweenies BS? I gave away the Drake I had in LA, keeping the Ten Tec in Prescott and the R-75 in the Desert. I added a newer R8B later, as I got the bug for DXing Mexican AMs again. I also gave away an NRD 525 to an NRC member who was retired and needed a good radio. Hey, I'm retired and I need another good radio or two. Why don't you send me that R8B and the Ten-Tec? After all, you don't use them very much. The person I gave the 525 to had a long history of serving the NRC, as an editor, contributor and fine DXer. He prepared the most extensive list of Mexican AMs known, and was in radio and print as a professional all his life. Unlike you, he deserved the radio. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Steve wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's also interesting that, on his website, Tardo represents himself as "Executive Vice President of Univision Radio's research and programming division". However, if you look at the page promoting the NAB conference in San Diego in 2004 http://tinyurl.com/rzgea he's "president of programming at Univision Radio". Either Tardo was demoted since 2004 or he isn't able to keep his story straight. Interesting. NAB made a mistake. So what? At the time, I was VP Programming. Now I am EVP. Simple. Sure it is....sure. NAB didn't make a mistake. You made a mistake by getting caught in another lie. As I've said before, it's always somebody else making mistakes, somebody else confusing dates, etc., etc., etc. with Edfraudo. That one is pretty obvious. No broadcaster has a president of programming. The President is the COO or CEO, only. There are not two presidents. |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't news. But the fact remains. That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen outside of the city grade contour. But, until there are receivers out there... nobody is going to cange much in a succesful (still) format. The changes will come in second tier formats, I think... and in modifications of existing ones to broaden them. WGN has to change, as it is in a revenue death spin, and is hurting the Trib's stock price single handed. So, WGN is waiting for receivers to fall into listeners' hands before lowering their demo target? Once sampled, if the audio quality is attractive but the content hasn't changed, there will likely not be a resampling. Leaving HD to benefit those who already listen and enjoy. But not providing anything more attractive than audio quality for those who generally do not. If audio quality were the only selling point to KEZK, it would still be Schulke. And WRTH would have never been 'Beautiful Music.' It's the content that attracted and held listeners to each. Granted this is in an era when FM still had novelty listening, but the point is, when the audience began to shift from AM to FM, it was the content on the stations of either band that changed to create viable audiences...audio quality was only a factor where content requiring audio quality was concerned. Music went to FM, where off main music formats and talk took over AM. And this was also at a time when AM was still wideband. On my McKay, an well done AM station could hold its own against an FM station without breathing hard. Even doing music. This was Leonard Kahn's sacred evangel: that AM is capable of the same, if not better audio, than native FM. That is to say, without the pre/de-emphasis that gives FM it's lower noise figure. Without that, audio quality of FM sux. NRSC, in it's infinite wisdom, however, institutionalized what receiver manufacturers had been doing by being cheap....cutting off the top end of AM receivers and narrowing the audio bandwidth. As late as 1972, a stock Delco AM radio was capable of 8khz audio out that bottom heavy dashboard speaker. With a different speaker installed, that same Delco radio was capable of surprising fidelity. This was, of course before AM Optimod and CRL brought new meaning to the term 'grunge'. What NRSC did, was start the process of reducing skywave interference by attacking audio bandwidth...and at the same time audio quality. The 10Khz brickwall plus the pre/de-emphasis of NRSC II helped create the suckular AM quality we enjoy today. Shortsighted stopgap measures often require additional shortsighted stopgap measures to fix the side effects of other shortsighted stopgap measures...and before you're two generations out, you've created a mess that can be only remedied by starting over or giving up. IBOC is the latest in shortsighted stopgap measures. Giving up is next. That's exactly my point...it's a gamble. A crap shoot. Targeting the superficiality and subjective perception of audio quality. While the real attraction to listening is content. No station today will do a youjnger A format. There is still time to adapt as HD gets into user hands. This is a 5 year issue. Keep in mind that satellite has talken 5 years to get to around 11 million subscribers. Of course, this is a poor analogy as satellite seems to have hit a wall... and may truly never be viable financially. And yet, you yourself have admitted that AM may not have 5 years to make it. The deathknell may sound before that. So, with time of the essence, content change must begin quickly, or the losses due to IBOC rash and stagnant content of sampled HD quality may be irretrievable. You've noted growth at your AM's on the West Coast. Those are due to content, not audio quality. And your growth has exceeded expectations. But the growth is in existing older formats on stations that were not doing well, like KLOK. Its a stop-gap until HD makes younger formats viable. Our main Miami AM station has an average age of 72! Hold on...let me sit down with THAT shocker. Whether HD has been implemented or not, HD's 'improved' audio quality is not a factor, since receiving hardware is both expensive and not widely available. $149 car radio this week. 6 others, from the Tivoli on down were announced. Announced is one thing. Available is another. And the announcements are for products a month and a half or more out. With IBOC rash trashing listening in my area for more than a year, now listeners--the ones in my neighborhood that I can directly observe the listening habits of--have moved to other outlets. Most of them iPod. With a few to satellite. The rest have moved to FM. My own listening habits have been dramatically altered. I'm listening, now, to stations I did bother with before. Offering dramatically different programming than I previously could enjoy on AM. Instead of talk, during the day, I listen to Jazz. Or Classical. Or something eclectic on XM. AM-HD has been trashing the bands here for quite awhile now. And with local AMs being covered by IBOC rash listening has been difficult at the very best. The announcement of a $149 solution soon to come is way too little, way too late. No one that I know is going to wait for solutions to problems that are ongoing, and when the problems first appeared, there were no solutions in sight. The time to introduce those radios was a year ago, when IBOC rash first started to smother parts of the locally used spectrum. A mere announcement now...well, if you wanted to turn over the entire audience in a short time, this would be the way to do it. In fact, your share increase would exceed the number of HD radios sold in those markets were explosive growth has taken place. IF HD audio is not a factor, it's the content that's attracting listeners. In under 45 demo's at that. Nope, It is all older, and we are talking about going form 0.4 to 0.6 in some cases. Holding the water out of the fields by putting a finger in the dike. Waiting for the chance that HD affords us. Then, you're making my point for me. AM-HD is going to benefit only existing listeners. IN the meantime, trashing the band audibly as any potential listeners sample content only underscored that FM is a better option for them. Younger, or older. However, HD is putting that content off limits to potential listeners, by trashing the bands in weak signal areas with other station's HD rash. If noise and audio quality are, indeed, factors keeping AM from stable growth, or at least stable levels of listenership, increasing noise found in HD sidebands is not going to be a viable solution. None of the stations I have studied gets any real listening outside of its 5 mv/m signal area (and what there is is suspect... probably done in the car, etc) and most is inside the 10 mv/m. In LA, nearly all our listening is inside the 15 mv/m due to the high noise levels in this market. When I say that HD puts content off limits to potential listeners, I'm not referring to those listeners outside of a market. I'm talking about listeners inside the market who are not graced with a city grade signal. WLS, the classic example here, does not put 15mv/m into Lake County. But listenership is, or at least was, quite high in Lake County. But with IBOC rash now sizzling up and down the dial, WLS has been very difficult to capture cleanly. Or on some days, listen to at all. We're not talking about DXing...we're talking about local listening. That's been put off limits by IBOC rash, and yet, solutions have not been widely available. Cutting off two of the more populous counties in the Chicagoland area is not a show of wisdom when you're goal is to save the AM band from long term exodus. Especially when solutions are only 'announced' and not widely available. We don't lose anything. In fact, the AM HD is useable farther than analog due to analog noise. Which may be true. But only if the solutions are widely available. Which, they are not. And haven't been for at least the last year as the noise level has steadily grown to eventually cut off some the rated areas of the metro from their favorite stations. Then, again, if audio quality is really an issue, that same Tejano format on HD2, since HD radios must resolve both AM and FM HD, will present an attraction of listeners away from the AM station, even if listening is done in AM HD. The AM will probably go away eventually. It is one of the AMs that shoud never have existed. As long as we keep the audience, and expand it, we really don't care what the delivery method is. It's a gamble... but doing nothing is not an alternative. Doing nothing may not be an alternative, but it may be better than doing something that produces more immediate harm than potential long term good. 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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's also interesting that, on his website, Tardo represents himself as "Executive Vice President of Univision Radio's research and programming division". However, if you look at the page promoting the NAB conference in San Diego in 2004 http://tinyurl.com/rzgea he's "president of programming at Univision Radio". Either Tardo was demoted since 2004 or he isn't able to keep his story straight. Interesting. NAB made a mistake. So what? At the time, I was VP Programming. Now I am EVP. Simple. Sure it is....sure. NAB didn't make a mistake. You made a mistake by getting caught in another lie. Each company has only one President. Nobody has a "President of Programming. " None. It was simply an error. The NAB program each year has dozens of similar inoffensive errors, like wrong titles or misspelled names or wrong call letters. BUSTED |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Steve wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's also interesting that, on his website, Tardo represents himself as "Executive Vice President of Univision Radio's research and programming division". However, if you look at the page promoting the NAB conference in San Diego in 2004 http://tinyurl.com/rzgea he's "president of programming at Univision Radio". Either Tardo was demoted since 2004 or he isn't able to keep his story straight. Interesting. NAB made a mistake. So what? At the time, I was VP Programming. Now I am EVP. Simple. Sure it is....sure. NAB didn't make a mistake. You made a mistake by getting caught in another lie. As I've said before, it's always somebody else making mistakes, somebody else confusing dates, etc., etc., etc. with Edfraudo. That one is pretty obvious. No broadcaster has a president of programming. The President is the COO or CEO, only. There are not two presidents. BUSTED |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Oh yeah, he has indicated to me that he currently has a Drake R8B and two R75's. So I wonder if he ever actually disposed of the Drake, or whether that was yet more of Edweenies BS? I gave away the Drake I had in LA, keeping the Ten Tec in Prescott and the R-75 in the Desert. I added a newer R8B later, as I got the bug for DXing Mexican AMs again. I also gave away an NRD 525 to an NRC member who was retired and needed a good radio. Hey, I'm retired and I need another good radio or two. Why don't you send me that R8B and the Ten-Tec? After all, you don't use them very much. The person I gave the 525 to had a long history of serving the NRC, as an editor, contributor and fine DXer. He prepared the most extensive list of Mexican AMs known, and was in radio and print as a professional all his life. Unlike you, he deserved the radio. BUSTED! |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Jerk I have built, managed and programmed AMs for the last 42 years. The decline is technology based, and can be corrected... with technology. Nothing wrong with the technology, 'tard boy. AM (MW) comes in just fine here. And it comes in even better without the HD/IBOC QRM. There is everything wrong with the technology. It sounds so inferior that nobody who "grew up" on FM will touch it, as it is irritating. Two generations now have no use for AM. The only users, like you, are old farts who do not look at the future or have lost most of their hearing. I don't know where you are coming from on this. I grew up listening to FM and AM and I think AMBCB sounds just fine. The fact that you are on this group means you are not an average listener. I don't see my being above average as important to this discussion. I have posted data from a variety of US markets, as well as national averages. Again: in 12-34 year old listeners, in LA, the total share for AM is less than the indvidual station shares for the 6 highest rated FMs. 6%. Nearly nobody. AM may sound good to you, but to nearly everyone under 45, it is presently irrelevant and sucks. AMBCB has good fidelity and so does FM. AMBCB is not stereo but I don't care as I listen to talk radio and news on that band. I don't spend much time with FM. Generally I listen to AMBCB, short wave, and spend time on the Internet for news. I don't think it is the sound as much as FM is in stereo. The problem is just that. Only talk shows and such get on AM, because anything else that requires fidelty will not work. Talk appeals to a very old audience, and in many cases, it is getting harder and harder to sell. There are a number of AM stations playing music but I don't listen to them. There are news stations like KNS besides the talkers. This is what is bothering me about the move to HD. The move is supposed to be an improvement but it does not seem that way to me. The move to HD is just going to cost me money, not make an improvement, and change my listening in ways I don't want. It's a lousy deal for me to spend money I don't need to spend to keep getting what I already have. Same problem for DRM on short wave. DRM is an effort to make SW relevant, just as HD is for MW, to newer generations that are looking for digital quality (in developed nations) and at least FM quality in others. DRM is a way just like IBOC for the broadcasters to gain more control over the listeners. I expect that digital modes on the AM and FM will change to a subscription service. It will start with only some channels being a premium service and the rest free advertiser supported but eventually all will be subscription. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Oh yeah, he has indicated to me that he currently has a Drake R8B and two R75's. So I wonder if he ever actually disposed of the Drake, or whether that was yet more of Edweenies BS? I gave away the Drake I had in LA, keeping the Ten Tec in Prescott and the R-75 in the Desert. I added a newer R8B later, as I got the bug for DXing Mexican AMs again. I also gave away an NRD 525 to an NRC member who was retired and needed a good radio. Hey, I'm retired and I need another good radio or two. Why don't you send me that R8B and the Ten-Tec? After all, you don't use them very much. The person I gave the 525 to had a long history of serving the NRC, as an editor, contributor and fine DXer. He prepared the most extensive list of Mexican AMs known, and was in radio and print as a professional all his life. Unlike you, he deserved the radio. So where is the other 'R-75'? You said you had two (2). dxAce Michigan USA |
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Whats her name Joan Fontaine in this old Suspicion movie on Radio tv,,,
she ought to take off that cat hat and that pin striped suit and those spectacles and put on a dress and let her hair down and she would be A OK lookin. cuhulin |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... It's a gamble... but doing nothing is not an alternative. If this is the best you can come up with, I suggest you read up on how to put satellites into orbit. That is an even worse business model. There is some doubt that satellite will be profitable before WiMax makes it obsolete, with better reception in the long run... especially in home and at work, where satellite is a frail contender. Gee, in that case it looks like your f*cked. Not to mention BUSTED!!! |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Hmmm. That is interesting. I also noticed that in 2004 in San Diego he participated in a panel discussion about the future of radio as "David Gleason". A link is he All the participants were listed by the simple form of thier name. He's obviously got some kind of scam going. How so? I have 4 names. Two first names, a middle name which is also my maternal surname, and a last n ame, which is my paternal surname. Simple. Well now you have a 5th name and that's BUSTED! |
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David Eduardo wrote: Listeners like you are not of any "value" to the local market. Since ratings show listening to stations by location, your listening to DX does not help the distant station... since your listening shows up in Grand Rapids, not in the home market to the station. At least he's not BUSTED!! |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Well, of course it's a vicious circle. Most everything in Radio is. You remember how tough it is to get hired until you have experience, but you can't get experience until you get hired. Vicious circles in Radio aren't news. But the fact remains. That said, it's content that drives listening. If the content is of no interest to the target, HD isn't going to help. What's not happening, is there's no change in content to accompany HD implementation. WGN didn't change content when HD was installed. And I'm sure that Ace will point out that WBBM's content is the same as before HD was installed. So, HD is only really benefitting those who are already using AM. And those younger demos you wish to attract with audio quality, will be just as unintersted in the content after HD, as the stations themselves are in those who listen outside of the city grade contour. But, until there are receivers out there... nobody is going to cange much in a succesful (still) format. The changes will come in second tier formats, I think... and in modifications of existing ones to broaden them. WGN has to change, as it is in a revenue death spin, and is hurting the Trib's stock price single handed. So, WGN is waiting for receivers to fall into listeners' hands before lowering their demo target? I don't think they know how to change the demos on that one. This may be an example of the casualties of very old leaning AMs. They will have to very much remake the station for it to work for anyone. Once sampled, if the audio quality is attractive but the content hasn't changed, there will likely not be a resampling. Leaving HD to benefit those who already listen and enjoy. I think once there are enough receivers, stations with very old profiles will make changes, even at the risk of losing the big 12+ numbers. WGN coiuld lose 60% of its audience, and yet not be any less salable today. They will probably survey the under 55 listeners to see what they like and focus there, killing the 55+ content. Master AM programmer Gabe Hobbs, while at WFLA, instructed the hosts to address the elderly as, "are you one of those blue haired old ladies from..." or "sir, would you put your dentures in so we can understand you?" This essentially blew away the oldedr crowd, and was perceived as amusing by the younger listeners who then felt the station was "theirs." WGN will eventually have to do that. But not providing anything more attractive than audio quality for those who generally do not. If audio quality were the only selling point to KEZK, it would still be Schulke. And WRTH would have never been 'Beautiful Music.' It's the content that attracted and held listeners to each. Granted this is in an era when FM still had novelty listening, but the point is, when the audience began to shift from AM to FM, it was the content on the stations of either band that changed to create viable audiences...audio quality was only a factor where content requiring audio quality was concerned. Music went to FM, where off main music formats and talk took over AM. There were several qualities for youth. First, most FMs positioned as having less ocmmercials and less talk. Second, they emphasized the quality. AM became solid talk more due to the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine than anything else. A few operators, like Randy Michaels, realized tha the "dead" band had life for talk for over-35 listeners. In the early 70's, I put what was the 4th independent (not a spinn off from a simulcat FM) FM CHR on in Birmingham (First were WMYQ, WDRQ and KLSQ) and the biggest factors were the low commercial load and the quality. But I think success came as a product of both, not one or the other. The station hit #1 in its first year, too. And this was also at a time when AM was still wideband. On my McKay, an well done AM station could hold its own against an FM station without breathing hard. Even doing music. It was also the era when cheap receivers deemphasized AM, and flooded the market. In PR in '75 and on, Grego Ogrinosky and I discovered adjusting one of the earliest tri-band audio processors using an assortment of radios from k-Mart. If it sounded nice on my Dymek, I knew it was going to sound bad on the average radio. This was Leonard Kahn's sacred evangel: that AM is capable of the same, if not better audio, than native FM. That is to say, without the pre/de-emphasis that gives FM it's lower noise figure. Without that, audio quality of FM sux. The problem is that Lenard cost AM the time advantage. In 1978, AM had nearly 60% of all lsiteneing. In 1982, it had less than 50%. It was already over. Today, only by riding on an FM based system on the same chip do we have any hope. What I think will happen is that many second tier stations, ones that co ver just enough, but are not the top talker or sports staiton, will try formats that can be viable via HD. It will expand the raqnge of offerings, and make sush stations viable. Keep in mind that most markets have only 3 or 4 viable AMs. Some, like DC, have none. Just look at Chicago... 560, 670, 890, 780 are the only fully viable AMs for the metro. Then there are second tier ones, like 1000, 1160... and after that, nothing. Phoenix has only 2. San Diego has 1. San Francisco has 3, Cleveland has, maybe 2. Miami has one. Atlanta has 1. St. Louis has two. All the other AMs are less than perfect coverage, or totally defective. That's exactly my point...it's a gamble. A crap shoot. Targeting the superficiality and subjective perception of audio quality. While the real attraction to listening is content. No station today will do a youjnger A format. There is still time to adapt as HD gets into user hands. This is a 5 year issue. Keep in mind that satellite has talken 5 years to get to around 11 million subscribers. Of course, this is a poor analogy as satellite seems to have hit a wall... and may truly never be viable financially. I think the marginal but potential stations will do new formats. Most of these are in the hands of larger companies, and they will. invest in the facilities. And yet, you yourself have admitted that AM may not have 5 years to make it. The deathknell may sound before that. So, with time of the essence, content change must begin quickly, or the losses due to IBOC rash and stagnant content of sampled HD quality may be irretrievable. AM has the time between now and when so little of hte audience is under 55 that they are not viable as a business. That means that it starts getting difficult in 5 to 7 years, and horrible in 10. If FM HD succeeds, then it would drage AM along. But the growth is in existing older formats on stations that were not doing well, like KLOK. Its a stop-gap until HD makes younger formats viable. Our main Miami AM station has an average age of 72! Hold on...let me sit down with THAT shocker. Look at WGN. Average age is 57 now. The heritage AMs are getting really old. Our WAQI is a heritage Cuban station. The listeners are the original imigrants who grew up in Cuba. Our WQ BA has an average age of 41, as we put a younger format on it. WAQI has nearly 3 times the numbers, but we feel HD will help WQBA as we will eventually have to transform WAQI. $149 car radio this week. 6 others, from the Tivoli on down were announced. Announced is one thing. Available is another. The car radios are shipping. One of our talents in Houston got one at an audio place... when we switched on HD2 on KLTN. And the announcements are for products a month and a half or more out. With IBOC rash trashing listening in my area for more than a year, now listeners--the ones in my neighborhood that I can directly observe the listening habits of--have moved to other outlets. Most of them iPod. With a few to satellite. The rest have moved to FM. If you listen to the racket from Wall Street, they feel satellite may never make it. Its window is closing, they signed all the disenfranchised and early adopters, and they feel the price / value equation does not work for the rest of America. A mere announcement now...well, if you wanted to turn over the entire audience in a short time, this would be the way to do it. Supposedly there will be about 10 choices on the shelves by labor day. Then, you're making my point for me. AM-HD is going to benefit only existing listeners. IN the meantime, trashing the band audibly as any potential listeners sample content only underscored that FM is a better option for them. Younger, or older. No, in our case, we are aiming at 35-44, and waiting for HD to start. None of the stations I have studied gets any real listening outside of its 5 mv/m signal area (and what there is is suspect... probably done in the car, etc) and most is inside the 10 mv/m. In LA, nearly all our listening is inside the 15 mv/m due to the high noise levels in this market. When I say that HD puts content off limits to potential listeners, I'm not referring to those listeners outside of a market. I'm talking about listeners inside the market who are not graced with a city grade signal. WLS, the classic example here, does not put 15mv/m into Lake County. But listenership is, or at least was, quite high in Lake County. But with IBOC rash now sizzling up and down the dial, WLS has been very difficult to capture cleanly. Or on some days, listen to at all. We're not talking about DXing...we're talking about local listening. That's been put off limits by IBOC rash, and yet, solutions have not been widely available. This is a typical problem. The CD started slow. The hardware was costly, so not many CDs put out. Slowly, the prices went down and the software increased. But no manufacturer is going to produce until most of America has HD stations. Doing nothing may not be an alternative, but it may be better than doing something that produces more immediate harm than potential long term good. All of us are gambling. But the fact that no major owner is selling AM shows a lot of faith in HD. There has to be a better way. But it would take FCC reversing themselves. And we all know how likely that would be. And that would take too long. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: The fact that you are on this group means you are not an average listener. I don't see my being above average as important to this discussion. The average listener does not spend any time thinking about radio. It is just "there." AMBCB has good fidelity and so does FM. AMBCB is not stereo but I don't care as I listen to talk radio and news on that band. I don't spend much time with FM. Generally I listen to AMBCB, short wave, and spend time on the Internet for news. I don't think it is the sound as much as FM is in stereo. FM stereo was permitted in 1960, and it took 3 years to get to 100 stations. It had zero audience impact then. What made FM work was when the FCC madated the end to simulcasting, and suddenly a thousand or so new formats came on all over America, most with no commercials... in an era when AM had 18 minutes an hour on nearly every station. There are a number of AM stations playing music but I don't listen to them. There are news stations like KNS besides the talkers. Those that play music play standards or ethnic fare for the majority of cases. 65+ audience. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Again with the problem of how AMBCB sounds. AMBCB sounds just fine. Even when music is available on FM, such as Mexico (loads of music stations still there) the younger audience does not listen. In fact, FM listening in Mexico is higher than that of the US! It is nearly all about quality of the sound, not the programming... because most Mexican cities have more viable AM signals than US cities do. Maybe it is just that FM is stereo. Most FM listening in the US is not stereo. |
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