EH-antenna: sensation or fraude?

I have been reading about the EH-antenna on many web sites and
in magazines, but they were only "kitchen recipies" of how to build it
- without any theoretical explanation. Practical result reports were
mostly contradictory - from being equal to a full size dipole, to
statements that the antenna does not radiate at all, but the coaxial
lead does.

The other day I ran across the EH-antenna home web site
(http://EH-antenna.com) where finally I could find the expected theory -
which left me embarassed. It comes out that the EH antenna uses an
until now unknown kind of magnetic field - completely different from
the usual H-field. "The EH-antenna is a revolutionary concept because
it does not fit the classical theory" - I can read on that Web-site.
In a classical dipole the phase-shift between the E and the H field is
90 degrees. In the EH-antenna it is 0 (zero) degrees! A certain Russian
phisicist Vladmir Korobeynikov reworked the famous Maxwell's four
equations and they are now called "enhanced ones". Possibly he will be
candidated for the Nobel prize in physics (!?). Since magnetic
force-lines are closed and cannot be cut apart, underwater EH-antennas
allegedly work equally well - a bonanza for submarines! It also seems
that those force-lines spread across the whole Universe in zero time -
which challenges the Einstein's theory of the limited speed of light to
300 000 km/sec. If all this is only partly true, this will be the
greatest discovery after Heinrich Herz discovered radio waves 130
years ago.

They also say that the best communication is made between the
two EH-antennas. Has anybody tried that already? I do not wish to be a
primitive Earthian who does not accept progress in science; however,
life has taught me to be cautious. I would like to read an official
report about the EH-antenna phenomenon from a competent scientific
institution, a University, a research laboratory, or similar. Any
comments?
Bozidar, 9a2hl

"Bozidar Pasaric" wrote in message
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EH-antenna: sensation or fraude?

I have been reading about the EH-antenna on many web sites and
in magazines, but they were only "kitchen recipies" of how to build it
- without any theoretical explanation. Practical result reports were
mostly contradictory - from being equal to a full size dipole, to
statements that the antenna does not radiate at all, but the coaxial
lead does.

The other day I ran across the EH-antenna home web site
(http://EH-antenna.com) where finally I could find the expected theory -
which left me embarassed. It comes out that the EH antenna uses an
until now unknown kind of magnetic field - completely different from
the usual H-field.


And the crap begins to flow, now that classical physics has been slain.

Ed
wb6wsn

And the crap begins to flow, now that classical physics has been slain.

Ed
wb6wsn

Physics? You want physics? I'll show you physics :-)


"The voltage and current applied to a Hertz antenna are in phase,
therefore the E and H fields are not in phase, thus radiation does not
occur until a great distance from the antenna. A proper phase shift
network allows the Hertz
antenna to become an EH Antenna where a 90 degree phase delay between
the current and voltage applied to the antenna cause the E and H
fields to be in phase, therefore the EH antenna is able to transfer
power from the transmitter directly to radiation. This is the basis of
the EH Antenna patent."

http://www.eh-antenna.com/library/EH...DEFINITION.pdf

On 14 Oct 2004 08:46:50 -0700, (k4wge) wrote:



And the crap begins to flow, now that classical physics has been slain.

Ed
wb6wsn

Physics? You want physics? I'll show you physics :-)


"The voltage and current applied to a Hertz antenna are in phase,
therefore the E and H fields are not in phase, thus radiation does not
occur until a great distance from the antenna. A proper phase shift
network allows the Hertz
antenna to become an EH Antenna where a 90 degree phase delay between
the current and voltage applied to the antenna cause the E and H
fields to be in phase, therefore the EH antenna is able to transfer
power from the transmitter directly to radiation. This is the basis of
the EH Antenna patent."

http://www.eh-antenna.com/library/EH...DEFINITION.pdf

I f there really is an issued patent on the EH antenna, the paragraph above is
proof that the Patent Office examiner who approved the patent application for
issuance was completely snowed by the applicant's patent attorney who wrote the
application.

This doesn't happen too often, but it does happen. Unless the patent examiner is
extremely well versed in electromagnetic theory he could easily be persuaded
that the EH principle is valid, while it is not.

Walt Maxwell, W2DU

Walter Maxwell wrote:
On 14 Oct 2004 08:46:50 -0700, (k4wge) wrote:



And the crap begins to flow, now that classical physics has been slain.

Ed
wb6wsn

Physics? You want physics? I'll show you physics :-)


"The voltage and current applied to a Hertz antenna are in phase,
therefore the E and H fields are not in phase, thus radiation does not
occur until a great distance from the antenna. A proper phase shift
network allows the Hertz
antenna to become an EH Antenna where a 90 degree phase delay between
the current and voltage applied to the antenna cause the E and H
fields to be in phase, therefore the EH antenna is able to transfer
power from the transmitter directly to radiation. This is the basis of
the EH Antenna patent."

http://www.eh-antenna.com/library/EH...DEFINITION.pdf

I f there really is an issued patent on the EH antenna, the paragraph above is
proof that the Patent Office examiner who approved the patent application for
issuance was completely snowed by the applicant's patent attorney who wrote the
application.

This doesn't happen too often, but it does happen. Unless the patent examiner is
extremely well versed in electromagnetic theory he could easily be persuaded
that the EH principle is valid, while it is not.

Walt Maxwell, W2DU

About the only thing the Patent Office will deny a patent on based on
science is perpetual motion mechines; all bets are off on anything else.

--
Jim Pennino

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This doesn't happen too often, but it does happen. Unless the patent examiner
is
extremely well versed in electromagnetic theory he could easily be persuaded
that the EH principle is valid, while it is not.

Walt Maxwell, W2DU


Who was the examiner?

They have some really great seasoned guys there in that department, and a
rolling list of rookies.

73,
Chip N1IR

Hate to break the news, Walt, but it happens very, very often. Even
years ago, when I was doing some consulting work on a patent case and
read a couple of hundred antenna patents, there was a great deal of
pseudo- and voodoo-science in issued patents. These days, it's rampant.

My favorite example is US patent #6,025,810, "Hyper-Light-Speed
Antenna", but I'm sure even this is far from the most egregious.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Walter Maxwell wrote:

I f there really is an issued patent on the EH antenna, the paragraph above is
proof that the Patent Office examiner who approved the patent application for
issuance was completely snowed by the applicant's patent attorney who wrote the
application.

This doesn't happen too often, but it does happen. Unless the patent examiner is
extremely well versed in electromagnetic theory he could easily be persuaded
that the EH principle is valid, while it is not.

Walt Maxwell, W2DU

Sorry to hear that, Roy. I was very much involved with the RCA Patent Dept in
my early years with RCA, 1949 to 1957. During that time the US Patent Office
examiners were smart and tough. A patent used to be worth something.

Walt

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:54:49 -0700, Roy Lewallen wrote:

Hate to break the news, Walt, but it happens very, very often. Even
years ago, when I was doing some consulting work on a patent case and
read a couple of hundred antenna patents, there was a great deal of
pseudo- and voodoo-science in issued patents. These days, it's rampant.

My favorite example is US patent #6,025,810, "Hyper-Light-Speed
Antenna", but I'm sure even this is far from the most egregious.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Walter Maxwell wrote:

I f there really is an issued patent on the EH antenna, the paragraph above is
proof that the Patent Office examiner who approved the patent application for
issuance was completely snowed by the applicant's patent attorney who wrote the
application.

This doesn't happen too often, but it does happen. Unless the patent examiner is
extremely well versed in electromagnetic theory he could easily be persuaded
that the EH principle is valid, while it is not.

Walt Maxwell, W2DU

Roy Lewallen wrote:

Hate to break the news, Walt, but it happens very, very often. Even years
ago, when I was doing some consulting work on a patent case and read a
couple of hundred antenna patents, there was a great deal of pseudo- and
voodoo-science in issued patents. These days, it's rampant.

My favorite example is US patent #6,025,810, "Hyper-Light-Speed Antenna",
but I'm sure even this is far from the most egregious.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Walter Maxwell wrote: I f there really is an issued patent on the EH
antenna, the paragraph above is proof that the Patent Office examiner
who approved the patent application for issuance was completely snowed
by the applicant's patent attorney who wrote the application. This
doesn't happen too often, but it does happen. Unless the patent examiner
is extremely well versed in electromagnetic theory he could easily be
persuaded that the EH principle is valid, while it is not. Walt
Maxwell, W2DU


Firstly, sorry for the 'e' in 'fraud' which does not belong there. In
fact, I asked for help from the hams' fraternity ('all the people know
all' ) - and in connection with the US PTO patent No. 6,486,846 B1,
issued on November 26, 2002 to Robert T. Hart. I live on the fifth floor
of a condominium building, and like many hams, I have no space on the
roof for a proper antenna. So, an EH-antenna would be ideal - if it
worked. I have not tried to build it yet, but I am trying to learn
about it as much as possible before that.

Obviously, my question has two aspects: a practical and a theoretical
one. The practical one: "The proof of a pie is in eating it." Has
anyone built it and can testify it is successful at least as much as a
standard dipole - according to the inventor's statements? I have not
found such an answer yet.

The theoretical one: My theoretical education in that field is rather
amateurish, but still I think I can put some questions: On the
EH-antenna homepage (http://EH-antenna.com) I found a statement that
in the classical dipole the E and the H fields are a result of a LINEAR
movement of electric charges, while those fields in the EH-antenna are
a result of the ROTATION of those charges - a feature unknown until now.
Nowhere in textbooks could I find any word about this possible
phenomenon. In science discoveries must be double confirmed at least,
but here this is not the case.

By the way, it was interesting to read that once an issued US Patent
was a guarantee that the patent at least worked, but today it
seems it is only a certificate that someone was the first to register
his idea or wouldbe invention. If so, I could even understand that,
because today the USPTO should have armies of different experts and
endless laboratories to test all the applications. However, it would
be fair to openly proclaim such a principle. In my country (Croatia) the
situation is similar. (The other day I read in the newspapers that
someone got a patent for superconductivity at normal temperatures
(through some alloys), although, to my knowledge, nobody saw it work.)
Imagine a coil without ohmic resistance, or long distance lines without
any losses!

I am still dreaming about an ideal antenna having not more than 10% of
wavelength and 100% efficiency. Thanks for all the posts, anyhow.

Bozidar, 9a2hl

"k4wge" wrote in message
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And the crap begins to flow, now that classical physics has been slain.

Ed
wb6wsn

Physics? You want physics? I'll show you physics :-)


I prefer one of these:

Physics? Physics?!? we don't need no stinking Physics!

or

The Physics? You want the Physics? You can't handle the Physics!